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Telegram Working on Tool That Lets You Import WhatsApp Chats
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Nah. If one is ditching WhatsApp on privacy concerns, Signal is the way to go.
Working on switching to signal but WhatsApp is really indispensable in other counties so having a hard time convincing all my groups to come with me.
Just because someone doesn't understand confusing technology doesn't mean they don't care about privacy. And just cause someone DOES understand it doesn't mean they care about privacy (I don't).
Use Signal. Telegram less secure in many ways. Their encryption is weak, and they don't even have good MitM protection.
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The features in Telegram far out way those of Signal. I have used both and Telegram is awesome. I'm not worried about the security but at the same time don't need my shared like Whatsapp/Facebook. If someone wants to take the time to crack my account it's my fault, I could have used a Secret chat. Use whatever works best for you and your groups. All I know is once I convert someone to Telegram, people are very happy with it.
A smart move. 👍 Can Telegram be used with two different phone lines (numbers) on dual-SIM phones? I know that with WhatsApp we can use to separate apps (WhatsApp & WhatsApp Business) to achieve this, but Signal cannot handle two lines, as far as I know?
Yes, you can have multiple accounts if you have different phone numbers logged in at once.
When I checked, multi-devices on Signal was Whatsapp like. You need to sync your phone to your PC / tablet to make it work.
If it’s still the same, then it’s not what I call true multi-devices support.
Telegram has offices in UAE and Russia. its ownership already has ties to UAE regime and russians who don't really value security. their only selling point is Features. This is like giving candy to the baby but the candy is poisoned. if you are leaving Whatsapp for privacy reasons then why would you go to Telegram? Signal has E2E encryption BY DEFAULT and is OPEN SOURCE with an encryption which is vetted unlike Telegram which REFUSES to allow security experts to vet the security. I can BET that a company like Telegram sells private chat access to governments. Even Snowden who lives in russia is saying go to Signal instead.
dont fall for the "features" trap Telegram has set
if you dont value security, Telegram is less secure than WhatsApp so switch to telegram.
dont fall for the "features" trap Telegram has set
if you dont value security, Telegram is less secure than WhatsApp so switch to telegram.
Really? You mean I can use two different phone numbers, so two different Signal accounts on the same iPhone? Could you tell me how to achieve this or send me a link? This would be awesome! 👍
People across the world have relied on Telegram to maintain their privacy in the mist of government abuse. They have used it to organize and fight totalitarian governments and we have yet to hear of a major security breach or Telegram cooperating with a government.
Is there reason for concern for Telegram rolling their own encryption and being from Russia? Yes.
But if you look at the history of iMessage and Facebook, Telegram has a superior track record for protecting privacy.
I personally prefer Signal over telegram. Sure it has more features over Signal, but telegram is buggy for me. Messages frequently gets lost in secret chats, even with self destruct is turned off.
I get notified of a message but when I open the app, nothing. Confirmed with the sender that they did send a message. This happened a few years ago and I still have that issue after many updates. Even on a new phone.
It all works fine on regular chat though, but it isn’t encrypted. So, Signal for me.
I get notified of a message but when I open the app, nothing. Confirmed with the sender that they did send a message. This happened a few years ago and I still have that issue after many updates. Even on a new phone.
It all works fine on regular chat though, but it isn’t encrypted. So, Signal for me.
It's a different purpose. Signal is like iMessage, WhatsApp, or FB Messenger, a very common use case. Telegram is like Discord, less common, and I'd rather use Discord than Telegram.
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tl;dr: Anyone who thinks that Telegram is in any way better than Whatsapp with regard to security and privacy is a fool. In some ways it's even worse.
First of all, it's a problem for ALL free services offered by companies. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch, people! They're gonna turn their users (you) into profit sooner or later. Don't believe me? Look up "Whatsapp". And this, for instance: https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/23/t...d-platform-as-it-approaches-500-million-users
Also it's a tiny bit of an issue when that service comes from a company in a country whose not-so-democratic government can simply decide to forcefully acquire it from one day to another (look up "Yukos"). There are people behind every service, and people can be threatened. Lately, poisoning became a popular disciplinary option in said country.
Finally the Telegram chats are usually stored on a closed-source server, which you simply have to trust. Most chats are unencrypted because people are too lazy to turn on the optional encryption and group chats cannot be encrypted at all. I haven't even mentioned that encryption experts are sceptical about Telegram's homebrew protocol... https://security.stackexchange.com/a/49802
And if you think you can hide behind your "anonymous" ID, good luck with that. In the age of mass surveillance and data collection your ID is worth eff all.
Good thing that Signal isn't backed by a company and is very transparent with their finances and their source code. No foul play possible there. You'd see it in the code after all. Their open-source encryption is so good that it's hailed by experts across the board and even used by Whatsapp. Absolutely nothing is stored on their servers.
I know what I would choose ...
First of all, it's a problem for ALL free services offered by companies. There ain't no such thing as a free lunch, people! They're gonna turn their users (you) into profit sooner or later. Don't believe me? Look up "Whatsapp". And this, for instance: https://techcrunch.com/2020/12/23/t...d-platform-as-it-approaches-500-million-users
Also it's a tiny bit of an issue when that service comes from a company in a country whose not-so-democratic government can simply decide to forcefully acquire it from one day to another (look up "Yukos"). There are people behind every service, and people can be threatened. Lately, poisoning became a popular disciplinary option in said country.
Finally the Telegram chats are usually stored on a closed-source server, which you simply have to trust. Most chats are unencrypted because people are too lazy to turn on the optional encryption and group chats cannot be encrypted at all. I haven't even mentioned that encryption experts are sceptical about Telegram's homebrew protocol... https://security.stackexchange.com/a/49802
And if you think you can hide behind your "anonymous" ID, good luck with that. In the age of mass surveillance and data collection your ID is worth eff all.
Good thing that Signal isn't backed by a company and is very transparent with their finances and their source code. No foul play possible there. You'd see it in the code after all. Their open-source encryption is so good that it's hailed by experts across the board and even used by Whatsapp. Absolutely nothing is stored on their servers.
I know what I would choose ...
Signal has no "ownership", just like Linux has none. The entire source (clients and server) is GPL. Anyone can legally take it and set up their own clone.
I had to chuckle at your last sentence. It has a nice unicorny vibe. And all money simply comes from bank accounts and electricity from sockets. Just like that. Ain't that a wonderful world.
Well, we don't know what code the Signal servers run. But Signal makes it a lot easier for users to verify each other's identities and defend against MitM attacks. Telegram's version of that is awful. You can verify each other's identities manually, but the identity for the same person differs between chats, which – idk why they do that.
Signal's MitM protection still isn't as good as I'd like, though. You can't trust a fully compromised server. I've designed something that's even stronger for the average user, but it's too much effort for me to build by myself.
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In public chats only. They promised to never have ads in normal chats.
Russia was fighting Telegram for years (banned the app, tried to block IP ranges). Certainly because it was their app of choice to easily acquire the data, right?
They (a company wanting to make money) promised.... what an argument! Whatsapp promised too, did you already forget?
Putin is smart and well aware they can't go full nuclear on every single company they don't like. Same way they don't just murder everyone who runs against Putin or his so-called party. If that were the case, no one would invest in Russia, ever. So they use several levels of force. Yukos (or Navalny) was harrassed on several occasions before it was finally decided to kill it because Chodorkowski (Navalny) wouldn't back down.
What I'm saying is, they have that option, they used it several times whenever someone became too powerful or annoying, and they're going to do it again. So as long as Telegram is this little nasty company that annoys Western tech giants just as much, they will probably be fine. I wouldn't bet a single dime though that it will stay this way if they grow bigger and keep their attitude.
Good luck with your choice!
You can prefer Signal but it doesn’t mean you can slander Telegram and ignore the fact that Signal was partially sponsored by the U.S. government.