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You can prefer Signal but it doesn’t mean you can slander Telegram and ignore the fact that Signal was partially sponsored by the U.S. government.
Who's slandering? This is what people are saying in the thread, and it's all true.
- Telegram chats aren't e2ee by default.
- Group chats are never e2ee.
- They roll their own crypto.
- Telegram is based in Russia.
- Signal is endorsed by Snowden.

The politics are anyone's guess, but if you ask security people about the technology, they'll always prefer Signal.
 
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I'm using Telegram since 1.5 years now. I used WhatsApp and iMessage (non US country), tried to use Signal and yet, featurewise I did not find any of them better. Telegram has MtProto Security framework, which is not the best secure answer, but it still is for people who want to be safe. This is on secret chats and the reason is simple. They are not stored in servers, so you can only access the chat from your and your friend's device who you are texting with. If I would trust either WhatsApp or Telegram, I would easily choose Telegram. Telegram's founder is Russian, yet none of the servers are in Russia and he is anti-Putin in his speeches and so he moved the entire team into Berlin and Dubai locations where it won't be suppressed by those governments. In my 10 years of computing experiences, you can't be 100% secure when you're messaging. Even if you try to protect yourself, your friends will not and thus it won't worth it. Based on your choice, either your ISP, your cellular or your vpn company already has your data.

Feature wise, it has so many features and so "better" features than other apps, so my main app would be Telegram. I still have to use WhatsApp for Business and for family members, so I have both of them by must.
 
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Telegram is simply the best messenger app - for me at least. No silicon Valley ownership (Signal). Encrypted. Fun. and the owner doesn't need advertising or investors. Perfect package.
No Sir, Telegram's owner announced more than a month ago that he needs investors and that there will be advertising. Good luck with Telegram, I definitely prefer Signal.
 
I'm using Telegram since 1.5 years now. I used WhatsApp and iMessage (non US country), tried to use Signal and yet, featurewise I did not find any of them better. Telegram has MtProto Security framework, which is not the best secure answer, but it still is for people who want to be safe. This is on secret chats and the reason is simple. They are not stored in servers, so you can only access the chat from your and your friend's device who you are texting with. If I would trust either WhatsApp or Telegram, I would easily choose Telegram. Telegram's founder is Russian, yet none of the servers are in Russia and he is anti-Putin in his speeches and so he moved the entire team into Berlin and Dubai locations where it won't be suppressed by those governments. In my 10 years of computing experiences, you can't be 100% secure when you're messaging. Even if you try to protect yourself, your friends will not and thus it won't worth it. Based on your choice, either your ISP, your cellular or your vpn company already has your data.

Feature wise, it has so many features and so "better" features than other apps, so my main app would be Telegram. I still have to use WhatsApp for Business and for family members, so I have both of them by must.
bunch of mambo jambo.

Bottom line is: Telegram is less secure than WhatsApp by design.
 
Wat?
Telegram founder fled from Russia after being forced to sell VK (Russian FB) and was very critical to its government and most big IT companies since forever.
Yes but many people will choose to ignore that. He's Russian so it'll be assumed he's compromised despite evidence showing the opposite. Telegram is currently set up in Dubai and they have said that for now they feel comfortable there but that they will relocate if it becomes necessary as it did when Russia was putting pressure on them.

I'm sure Telegram costs a significant amount of money to run, taking into account development costs, hardware, rent, utilities, etc. so I have no problem with Telegram introducing ads into group chat in order to support the platform. That is much better than Facebook's approach of selling your privacy and data to turn a coin.

Telegram has also been a halo product for Pavel Durov that has allowed him to attract investment dollars for his other projects so you could say it's a loss leader for him.
 
Then they suddenly stopped trying one day.
The Russian government stopped trying because they couldn't beat Telegram. People found workarounds for all of the government's endeavors.

It was so bad that officials from the Russian government used Telegram.
 
So many Telegram haters here...:rolleyes: Meanwhile some American app which claims to be 100% on privacy cannot hide the user’s phone number.
Maybe we all "hate" Telegram because it's insecure for several unnecessary reasons, and all the security experts agree, and it has nothing to do with nationality.
regulators need to step in.
No, I like having the freedom to choose what I want, even if my choice is – what the regulators see as – less privacy.
 
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