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One might have to suck it up and just use the app.
Yeah they should probably rename that start feature. I imagine it was more used before phone as a key became prevalent across the lineup. Clicking that option in the app doesn't start the vehicle climate like it would in a gas car (or an EV that has a start button like a gas car), it just allows the vehicle to be driven with no key present, which with PAAK is clearly redundant.
 
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Agree. I've been a loyal Porsche customer but bought the 24 M3P as my first Tesla. Build quality is a significant downgrade but the software and platform is light years ahead of every other manufacturer out there. Other companies can't even get digital keys to work properly. Toyota / Lexus is using a client server architecture, with subscription, that requires connectivity. Great for collecting money each month but not so great in remote areas with no access.
Asking because I genuinely want to know... is it worth buying a car with a "build quality (as) a significant downgrade" just for the "software and platform"? I am not a new car type of person but my wife recently purchased a Hyundai Santa Fe and it is amazing. Great build quality (IMO) and the software/platform is tremendous. Wireless CarPlay is amazing, Apple Car Key or whatever is called works great etc. I'm always curious on what draws people to certain new cars. My wife test drove a Tesla and didn't like it. There were other factors that led us to not making the purchase via our research.

In the central FL area there is a place that does bodywork and repairs on Teslas. It has amazed me that so many are "totaled" by insurance companies because the repairs are too costly or not worth it to them. I guess this is often the car with some new cars but that was one factor that led us to not making the purchase.
 
You might not be doing that for much longer. Tesla has changed the pricing of their API access. Tessie has already changed their pricing for new customers, but if they can’t come to some agreement, it’s not going to work.

Either way your phone is supposed to unlock it every time you get near the vehicle and try to open the door but that’s not 100% for me.

Tesla is in my opinion the best vehicle out there. It’s not for everyone of course.
Curious about the statement "best vehicle out there." What item(s) factor into this statement? As a "car guy" i'm baffled how a fairly new company is already garnering the "best vehicle" award by some consumers. That is like saying a musician that came out in 2003 is the greatest of all time. Sure, it is possible but there are many greats still alive and who came before say 2003. I could see a Gen Z person saying "Tesla is the best ever in the history of automobiles" LOL.

This Yahoo Finance article details some of the costs associated with owning a Tesla:https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cost-8-common-tesla-repairs-180105821.html

Someone I know has one (I forget the model and year) and it not that old. He had to have a major component replaced having to do with the drivetrain. It was a few thousand dollars. In my opinion, and again I do not own one, it seem like the maintenance itself is enough to drive the average person away. Of course you also said "It's not for everyone" which I agree with.

The biggest turn off I had... the sale rep in the mall store in Tampa, FL told us that "everything is covered." If you ever have a problem you just bring it in and its fixed with no cost. From my experience this is not the case. He made it sound like "if you get flat tire" its FREE! Just have Tesla do it. Umm ok. I wasn't falling for that and neither was my wife.

To each their own which is why there are so many car manufactures.
 
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Curious about the statement "best vehicle out there." What item(s) factor into this statement? As a "car guy" i'm baffled how a fairly new company is already garnering the "best vehicle" award by some consumers. That is like saying a musician that came out in 2003 is the greatest of all time. Sure, it is possible but there are many greats still alive and who came before say 2003. I could see a Gen Z person saying "Tesla is the best ever in the history of automobiles" LOL.

This Yahoo Finance article details some of the costs associated with owning a Tesla:https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cost-8-common-tesla-repairs-180105821.html

Someone I know has one (I forget the model and year) and it not that old. He had to have a major component replaced having to do with the drivetrain. It was a few thousand dollars. In my opinion, and again I do not own one, it seem like the maintenance itself is enough to drive the average person away. Of course you also said "It's not for everyone" which I agree with.

The biggest turn off I had... the sale rep in the mall store in Tampa, FL told us that "everything is covered." If you ever have a problem you just bring it in and its fixed with no cost. From my experience this is not the case. He made it sound like "if you get flat tire" its FREE! Just have Tesla do it. Umm ok. I wasn't falling for that and neither was my wife.

To each their own which is why there are so many car manufactures.
If you are going to get an EV Tesla is a fairly reliable choice.
 
Curious about the statement "best vehicle out there." What item(s) factor into this statement? As a "car guy" i'm baffled how a fairly new company is already garnering the "best vehicle" award by some consumers. That is like saying a musician that came out in 2003 is the greatest of all time. Sure, it is possible but there are many greats still alive and who came before say 2003. I could see a Gen Z person saying "Tesla is the best ever in the history of automobiles" LOL.

This Yahoo Finance article details some of the costs associated with owning a Tesla:https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cost-8-common-tesla-repairs-180105821.html

Someone I know has one (I forget the model and year) and it not that old. He had to have a major component replaced having to do with the drivetrain. It was a few thousand dollars. In my opinion, and again I do not own one, it seem like the maintenance itself is enough to drive the average person away. Of course you also said "It's not for everyone" which I agree with.

The biggest turn off I had... the sale rep in the mall store in Tampa, FL told us that "everything is covered." If you ever have a problem you just bring it in and its fixed with no cost. From my experience this is not the case. He made it sound like "if you get flat tire" its FREE! Just have Tesla do it. Umm ok. I wasn't falling for that and neither was my wife.

To each their own which is why there are so many car manufactures.
My wife has owned her Tesla for 6 years now, the only thing we have ever had to replace is tires about every 2 years ($900 per set), and the cabin air filter ($20 on Amazon). I bought a Tesla in 2022 and I have only replaced the cabin air filter ($18 on Amazon) and tires ($700).

They really are the best car I have ever owned, besides the convenience of electric the entire ecosystem of the vehicle is tightly integrated similar to what you would see with a mac. I don't know of any other vehicle like this.
 
Curious about the statement "best vehicle out there." What item(s) factor into this statement? As a "car guy" i'm baffled how a fairly new company is already garnering the "best vehicle" award by some consumers. That is like saying a musician that came out in 2003 is the greatest of all time. Sure, it is possible but there are many greats still alive and who came before say 2003. I could see a Gen Z person saying "Tesla is the best ever in the history of automobiles" LOL.
I’m not going to say it’s the best ever in the history of automobiles but for me it’s definitely the best car I’ve ever driven. I could list all the reasons why I think it is for me, but I’ll be writing an I could list all the reasons why I think it is for me, but I’ll be writing a book. Everyone has different needs and likes though so it may not be the car for you.


This Yahoo Finance article details some of the costs associated with owning a Tesla:https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cost-8-common-tesla-repairs-180105821.html
Yeah, this is just typical Elon hate expressed by the mainstream media. It’s unfortunate that he’s become a political target therefore Tesla has become a target. They mention things like windshield and cabin air filters. Yeah we know other brands don’t have a windshield or cabin air filter in the cars 🤦‍♂️😂


Someone I know has one (I forget the model and year) and it not that old. He had to have a major component replaced having to do with the drivetrain. It was a few thousand dollars. In my opinion, and again I do not own one, it seem like the maintenance itself is enough to drive the average person away. Of course you also said "It's not for everyone" which I agree with.
Most components in the drivetrain have an eight year 120,000 mile warranty. Of course, after that repairs are on the owner.

The biggest turn off I had... the sale rep in the mall store in Tampa, FL told us that "everything is covered." If you ever have a problem you just bring it in and it’s fixed with no cost. From my experience this is not the case. He made it sound like "if you get flat tire" it’s FREE! Just have Tesla do it. Umm ok. I wasn't falling for that and neither was my wife.
You don’t think regular car dealers will BS you? That’s one big reason I went with Tesla because I didn’t want to deal with the BS negotiation and upcharges from regular car dealers. I did lots of research, but I still don’t want to deal with someone trying to hustle me.

It does have a bumper-to-bumper warranty for I believe five years. Of course don’t be silly tires or brakes are not going to be covered. It’s important to read the documents that come with the car before you purchase it. Don’t ever believe what a salesperson tells you. Most of warranty information is available online so it’s not like you can’t find this information out.


To each their own which is why there are so many car manufactures.
Absolutely! Everyone has to find a vehicle that suits their needs and has the style and features they like. We all don’t like the same things and we all don’t need the same things.
 
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I'm curious what will be the oldest version of the Apple Watch it will work on, mine is pretty old.
 
And as for all the Tesla hate I have just read on here, you all sound like Android folks arguing with yourselves about Apple functions, politics, features, and blatant misinformation. We Tesla owners clearly can identify the folks that have never driven/owned a Tesla for a reasonable amount of time by the comments posted. I personally own a V8 convertible and a Tesla, I love both cars. There are advantages to both.
 
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Tesla watch app is out now
 

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This Yahoo Finance article details some of the costs associated with owning a Tesla:
My total maintenance costs over the last 2.5 years. Two bottles of windshield washer fluid.

Someone I know has one (I forget the model and year) and it not that old. He had to have a major component replaced having to do with the drivetrain. It was a few thousand dollars.
I had the right window motor auto roll the window down about an inch about 1 year after purchasing the vehicle. Made a maintenance request through the app. A tech came out the next day to my work and replaced the motor for zero cost.

If there was a cost to a major component replacement, the car was out of warranty and the owner failed to reply to the "Extended Car Warranty" emails, voicemails, phone calls, certified mailed letters, etc.

The biggest turn off I had... the sale rep in the mall store in Tampa, FL told us that "everything is covered." If you ever have a problem you just bring it in and its fixed with no cost. From my experience this is not the case. He made it sound like "if you get flat tire" its FREE! Just have Tesla do it. Umm ok. I wasn't falling for that and neither was my wife.
Flat tires are fixed by insurance and AAA. I do not know if Tesla will fix a flat tire. If I get one I will let you know.
 
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Curious about the statement "best vehicle out there." What item(s) factor into this statement? As a "car guy" i'm baffled how a fairly new company is already garnering the "best vehicle" award by some consumers.
The Ford Thunderbird was once Motor Trends car of the year. Best car is relevant especially if that is where you spend your $$$.
That is like saying a musician that came out in 2003 is the greatest of all time. Sure, it is possible but there are many greats still alive and who came before say 2003. I could see a Gen Z person saying "Tesla is the best ever in the history of automobiles" LOL.
Not really an apt analogy.
This Yahoo Finance article details some of the costs associated with owning a Tesla:https://finance.yahoo.com/news/cost-8-common-tesla-repairs-180105821.html
Sure, it’s a vehicle driven on the road, things happen. Some of the things that happen to ICE vehicles:
- water pump can leave you stranded
- timing belt can leave you stranded
- car needs a new tranny
- engine blows up
- the car buying experience sucks
- and the list goes on an on. It’s just that we as a society have adapted to the worse parts of ICE vehicles
Someone I know has one (I forget the model and year) and it not that old. He had to have a major component replaced having to do with the drivetrain.
Someone I knew had a new fancy vehicle that caught fire. Sure let’s pick up the edge cases and make them the majority of cases.
It was a few thousand dollars. In my opinion, and again I do not own one, it seem like the maintenance itself is enough to drive the average person away.
Look at reputable studies. If you believe the costs of owning an ev or more than an ICE car you’ve been feed a bunch of bunk. Now this obviously excludes common wearables, like tires, insurance, which is highly individual etc. But the cost of routine maintenance of one vs the other.
Of course you also said "It's not for everyone" which I agree with.
100% YMMV
The biggest turn off I had... the sale rep in the mall store in Tampa, FL told us that "everything is covered." If you ever have a problem you just bring it in and its fixed with no cost. From my experience this is not the case. He made it sound like "if you get flat tire" its FREE! Just have Tesla do it. Umm ok. I wasn't falling for that and neither was my wife.

To each their own which is why there are so many car manufactures.
The biggest turnoff to buying an ice vehicle is having to walk into a dealership. No such thing with a Tesla except to pick it up.
 
Installed it and not really sure what the big deal is. Still use the cell phone in proximity to the vehicle so the watch doesn’t do anything my phone with me can’t. - shrugs -
 
Yes. Same thing. Not sure if Tesla released the holiday update yet except internally.
It should start rolling out this week (probably this weekend), though if you have FSD and are on the 12.5.6 branch we may have to wait until v13 is released which will likely be the end of the month.
Installed it and not really sure what the big deal is. Still use the cell phone in proximity to the vehicle so the watch doesn’t do anything my phone with me can’t. - shrugs -
Yeah right now the app on the watch can't do anything, it is just mirroring what the phone is reporting.
 
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Wow, Tesla’s new holiday update is absolutely amazing! Seriously, it’s incredible, mind-blowing, and breathtaking. The features they’ve added are truly astonishing, remarkable, and phenomenal. Each enhancement just keeps getting better and better — it’s extraordinary how they keep pushing the boundaries of what’s possible. The interface is so stunning, and the performance upgrades are outstanding. This update is impressive, unbelievable, and frankly, jaw-dropping. Tesla has truly outdone themselves with this one — it's an unparalleled, marvelous gift for all of us. Can't wait to experience even more of these wondrous innovations! 🚗✨
 
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Asking because I genuinely want to know... is it worth buying a car with a "build quality (as) a significant downgrade" just for the "software and platform"? I am not a new car type of person but my wife recently purchased a Hyundai Santa Fe and it is amazing. Great build quality (IMO) and the software/platform is tremendous. Wireless CarPlay is amazing, Apple Car Key or whatever is called works great etc. I'm always curious on what draws people to certain new cars. My wife test drove a Tesla and didn't like it. There were other factors that led us to not making the purchase via our research.

In the central FL area there is a place that does bodywork and repairs on Teslas. It has amazed me that so many are "totaled" by insurance companies because the repairs are too costly or not worth it to them. I guess this is often the car with some new cars but that was one factor that led us to not making the purchase.

For me the Tesla platform has many small conveniences that solve first world problems that for me so it's worth it. All the little things add up to make it ideal for my use case as a daily. For example, getting into a car and driving without pushing a start button, auto shift, etc. Since we're on MR I'll use a Mac vs PC as an example. Both are computers and both get the job done yet presumably most people on here use a Mac because of all the little things (ie fan noise, stability, build quality, battery life, integration, etc.). They solve first world problems which are not mandatory but in aggregate it makes life easier. That said I have three other vehicles though so I'm covered for other situations. I would never have a Tesla as my only ride. Regarding repairs that's a problem with all EVs. Insurance will not take the liability for potentially damaged batteries so they will total a car for fender benders which drive the insurance rates.
 
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The Ford Thunderbird was once Motor Trends car of the year. Best car is relevant especially if that is where you spend your $$$.

Not really an apt analogy.

Sure, it’s a vehicle driven on the road, things happen. Some of the things that happen to ICE vehicles:
- water pump can leave you stranded
- timing belt can leave you stranded
- car needs a new tranny
- engine blows up
- the car buying experience sucks
- and the list goes on an on. It’s just that we as a society have adapted to the worse parts of ICE vehicles

Someone I knew had a new fancy vehicle that caught fire. Sure let’s pick up the edge cases and make them the majority of cases.

Look at reputable studies. If you believe the costs of owning an ev or more than an ICE car you’ve been feed a bunch of bunk. Now this obviously excludes common wearables, like tires, insurance, which is highly individual etc. But the cost of routine maintenance of one vs the other.

100% YMMV

The biggest turnoff to buying an ice vehicle is having to walk into a dealership. No such thing with a Tesla except to pick it up.
Ahh I can tell from your various responses you are not open minded at all to other views. The example I gave above was not an edge case. He was told by the dealership in Tampa that it is a common issue with the car. One reason I don't post much in here, or any forum, is people are often one sided. I rarely encounter someone that buys something and will go against the grain and say "you know what... it def was not a good purchase." I know a couple of people that own Tesla vehicles and they are the same. They complain about things like tires seemingly being punctured more (in my their mind) in their Tesla and not liking other aspects of it.. but refuse to admit they made a bad choice with the purchase. One of those people was on the fence about spending upwards of $10,000 on the auto driving feature (or whatever the exact cost was). He finally did and then decided to trade it in.... only to realize he wasted a lot of money on something he didn't even feel safe using. I do all the maintenance on my own cars so the maintenance on a gas vehicle is reality low if you really look at it. My truck has nearly 250,000 miles on it. Oh well. Best of luck to you.
 
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