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Not argueing. Just pointing out that it’s not about just fully self driving alone though, is it? Sure, I see the steering wheel move and the car brakes and accelerates. But that’s not the end goal.

You were saying it's not full self driving. It is full self driving.
The end goal of a car (and FSD) is to get from your starting point to your destination without human intervention.

I drove across the country (west to north) on FSD in USA without human intervention. Including supercharging stops.

No one at Tesla is clapping their hands and calling it a day
I don't think anyone said that.

But it’s not a taxi yet.

Sure it is
In fact, Tesla asks that you supervise that full self driving. And they will hold you accountable if there was a crash because of you not supervising.

Again that is full self driving. Supervised full self driving is a subset of full self driving. It drives itself, but the safety level is not up to the standard to what Tesla would want to call unsupervised full self driving.
 
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Maybe this will help GM recover from their Tesla envy and desired control of the whole infotainment system and they will allow a feature most users want. I can’t see why any driver would rather not have this feature even if you don’t miss it. I want it for non subscription based navigation alone, besides actually getting to choose my own streaming service and podcast app.
 
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I don't know, I think Mark is crazy if he thinks this is happening. Tesla's system is too integrated for them to add this and still work well. I honestly thought I would miss CarPlay a lot when I got my Tesla but I don't miss it. Having Waze up on the screen would be nice but Tesla nav is so smooth. I have Apple Music right on the car so don't really need that from CarPlay. And I don't do texting while driving so I don't mind not having the integrated Messages app.

If this ends up happening, I wonder if this will be wireless CarPlay or require your phone to be connected via USB-C.
It says wireless carplay in the article. It’s also not that hard to imagine, the car and surroundings information section of the screen will remain the same, the window displaying the map currently would be the carplay window.
 
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I’ll repeat a previous post from another thread.

CarPlay integration is easy to implement. For example, I can buy a $100 screen with CarPlay built-in so people can add CarPlay to older vehicles.

The idea CarPlay is difficult to implement or requires an entire team of engineers is ridiculous. At its core it’s just a fancy screen casting system (oversimplification but correct).
again, hilariously false. there's a whole set of rules automaker and aftermarket systems need to follow

for one, per Apple's guidelines from 2016, after market systems have a minimum requirement of 6 inches, no matter how much resolution there is. and if you have a non-standard resolution, you have to contact apple to see if it's supported.

then there's 24-bit color requirement, 30 hz refresh rate minimum, hardware support for h264 video decoding, must support speakers up to 48KHz and microphone must support at least for 24kHz. if audio is playing something like radio, the system must mix the audio coming from the iPhone. wired CarPlay must support LPCM, wireless CarPlay must support AAC-LC for media.

if using touchscreen input, you must have a 60hz input refresh rate. if using knob input, you must support rotate, select, and back commands if using a rotating knob. if using multi-axis rotating knob, you must support tilt/nudge, rotate, and back.

there also must be a dedicated Siri button somewhere.

then CarPlay needs speed information at a minimum. if car has gps, it must send GNSS data. if car supports wireless CarPlay systems, the car MUST send GNSS information, it's no longer optional.

if you have multiple usb ports for wired CarPlay and not all support the bandwidth requirements, it must properly be labeled to show which port supports CarPlay.

and this is just...10% of what is required to implement CarPlay.
 
Yeah my theory is Gurman is reading his info incorrectly. I believe what’s actually being added is AirPlay support, not CarPlay, so people can play rich content (videos) on the Tesla screen when charging or parked.

Even if CarPlay was added I also struggle to figure out a situation where I would want to use it. I agree, Tesla’s in car system is already fantastic for the key functions people care about (useful and responsive maps is the biggest one for me)
I think most of us are excited about Waze.
 
I wonder if Tesla would ever take CarPlay away? Also, meanwhile, other major automakers announced they're not going to install Apple CarPlay. :D I wonder if they're just years behind Musk's realization.
 
No.
That info is from March. In June 2025, estimates are Rav4 1.187m over Model Y 1.185m in 2024.

Yeah my theory is Gurman is reading his info incorrectly. I believe what’s actually being added is AirPlay support, not CarPlay, so people can play rich content (videos) on the Tesla screen when charging or parked.
Seems like Tesla would debunk this rumor pretty quickly but it's making the rounds. That said AirPlay would be a very welcome feature.

I like how everyone says they used carplay before getting a Tesla and now dont miss it. I definitely miss it.
I miss it too. Using things like bluetooth for messaging feels like a TV's built-in smart features over an Apple TV.

By the way - folks who argue that Tesla has all the infotainment they need? Remember that's with $10/mo or $100/year Premium Connectivity. Doesn't sound like much but that alone could be a dealbreaker for most people. Especially for, you know, something that sits in a parking lot or driveway for 22 hours a day.
 
That info is from March. In June 2025, estimates are Rav4 1.187m over Model Y 1.185m in 2024.

That's a different source. Focus2move reported Model Y as #1 and Corolla as #2 for 2024 in January 2025. Being off by 2k units in your source is practically a rounding error. What I said still remains true.
 
I don't believe this rumor. Elon would rather put the engineering resources/hype machine into getting more people hooked on FSD.

He wants the Tesla differentiator/sales booster to be FSD, not a software that doesn't belong to Tesla and is inherently disruptive to the software that his people poor their efforts into.
 
Did hell just freeze over? Funny thing or maybe ironic. I turned off my WiFi today before I drove to work. When I exited the vehicle I got a message about enabling WiFi to enable wireless CarPlay. (Or whatever the exact message was). I was confused to say the least. Maybe a harbinger?
 
Any Musk product or service… I wouldn't want one even if it were given to me.
You mean the guy who wanted Apple to buy Tesla so he could become CEO of both companies? That Elon Musk?
You mean the guy who wanted to be CEO of both companies so he could be paid $2 trillion instead of just $1 trillion? Yes, that Elon Musk.
 
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Any Musk product or service… I wouldn't want one even if it were given to me.

Going to be a difficult pill to swallow should you get into an accident that leaves you paralyzed and it's either wheelchair forever or chip implant to regain motor controls.

Or when you're on a cruise/plane and the only option for internet is starlink.

Or getting a trip from airport to hotel is a $10 robotaxi via tunnels in 3 minutes or $90 waymo/uber in 45 minutes.
 
If Tesla really wants to reverse their sales decline they could try not having a CEO who has publicly aligned himself opposite to the political views of the core userbase

If it weren't for current CEO, they wouldn't have had a high sales count to begin with.

, and who isn't defrauding customers and investors with the "FSD" scam.

FSD working great for me and only getting better several times a year. Hardly a scam.
 
I wonder if this is part of a bid to get Apple onboard with his satellites. You let me connect your phones, I'll let you connect my cars.
I still wouldn't buy one.

1) They're junk.
2) Elon will just get pissy with Apple and take it away when he gets upset.
I respect your opinion, but I must say, having a Tesla is the best thing that ever happened to me with respect of car ownership
 
this is brilliant as long the useless visualization can be taken off!
We might finally get atmos quality of streaming, Apple Maps, I might not even need preimer connectivity!
 
That's a different source. Focus2move reported Model Y as #1 and Corolla as #2 for 2024 in January 2025. Being off by 2k units in your source is practically a rounding error. What I said still remains true.

JATO Dynamics is the source. That's the same source as your 2023 link.

Keep in mind that Toyota sold those RAV4s along with many other models with a 10% APR last year. I bought my '24 Model Y with 0% APR a year ago, after missing the 1.99% offer. Looks like they're back on sale for 1.99% for the Premium models. I say 2,000 models without significant discounts is impressive.
 
JATO Dynamics is the source. That's the same source as your 2023 link.
JATO and Focus2Move both agreed that Model Y is #1 in 2023. JATO's source just happened to be up higher on google's search.

You believing JATO over me believing Focus2Move for who is #1 in 2024 is just anyone's guess, but it doesn't make what I said to be untrue.

Keep in mind that Toyota sold those RAV4s along with many other models with a 10% APR last year. I bought my '24 Model Y with 0% APR a year ago, after missing the 1.99% offer. Looks like they're back on sale for 1.99% for the Premium models. I say 2,000 models without significant discounts is impressive.

What's even more impressive is Model Y achieving #1 without a single TV ad and with a higher ASP. Meanwhile I see Toyota ads nearly every commercial break.
 
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