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Usual Apple tactics to make stuff it is forced to do as painful as possible, trolling developers and regulators.
Which is why I think Apple should just have been allowed to continue to be as backwards as they’ve been. THAT is why Apple’s market share was so tiny in the EU. That’s why their hardware was nowhere NEAR being a monopoly. The only thing the EU has done is to make Apple products more attractive in the EU thus making the likelihood of an Apple hardware monopoly stronger now than ever.

The EU hardware sales for 2024 should be interesting.
 
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Apple should just abandon the European market. It's getting to the point that putting up with European socialism is just not worth the extra hassle.
For now, it’s still worth it. However, in their inability to define a clear message on what they want “gatekeepers” to do, primarily because there’s no one in the EU that even understands what it means to operate on the scale of these huge non-EU companies, they’ll continue to work hard to punish success wherever they can. Apple’s “playing by the rules” now because they know that the regulators, so SURE of themselves that Apple can’t do without them, will overstep and make it so that the 7% profit Apple’s driving from the EU App Stores is just not worth the effort they’re putting into it.

Because there are other App Stores now, Apple could close theirs and the EU could stand up their own. Less headache from Apple and they can still make money from the App Stores that are open.
 
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enterprise developer accounts can release an app, such as a third party engine web browser, via testflight to thousands of users, make sense to geofence it to Europe only. There is no way to know which testers is in Europe or not out of the entire list.
 
Good, if the EU wants to force this gatekeeper crap then development and testing should happen in the EU. Play stupid games....
Please explain what you think the "stupid price" is that the EU got.

Because big tech companies moving development work from the US or India to inside the EU sounds like a pretty good price. And even without being blamed for protectionism, because Apple enforces it voluntarily.
 
No they just sell your data and google usually drops products/services every few months.

Anyway, apple isn’t wrong here. iOS and my iPhone are just fine as is.
Lol Google can sell your data with the current chrome version just as apple is selling your data as well.
 
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After switching to ios for the first time last year, Apple has 3-4 years to get their petty act together or I'm back to Android for the next phone.
 
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Are there still iOS users in EU? With this Apple attitude, perhaps it's time for Europeans abandon Apple altogether.
Apple were probably slowly on their way to irrelevance as more and more people decide to not deal with Apple’s crap. That is, until the EU decided to make sure that Apple sticks around by making them change the iPhone to be more like what folks in the EU would like. Now a slide to irrelevancy will instead be growth.

If Apple’s market share in the EU is seen to be rising in future quarterly calls, it’s because that’s what the EU wanted.
 
Because big tech companies moving development work from the US or India to inside the EU sounds like a pretty good price. And even without being blamed for protectionism, because Apple enforces it voluntarily.
The EU is learning from China’s playbook :)
 
The EU, California, and New York City struggle with the concept that they don’t represent the majority of the human race.

The US imposes its laws on companies that want to do business in the US and don't think the US doesn't impose laws on companies doing business in other countries because part of the transaction traverses the US (banking/securities laws, etc).

Companies that want to sell drugs in the US have to allow FDA inspectors into their manufacturing plants. And don't think many other countries don't follow FDA approvals essentially giving the US oversight of drug manufacturing even for drugs that didn't originate or sold here.

For better or for worse the world is going to get more localized / fragmented depending on how you see it...
 
The EU, California, and New York City struggle with the concept that they don’t represent the majority of the human race.

New York is the global financial hub. California has some of the largest shipping facilities in the US and one of the largest economies in the world. The nations of the European Union combined populations total 448 million. Who do you suppose should be the primary representatives? The Central American Federation? Montana? Bakersfield?
 
New York is the global financial hub. California has some of the largest shipping facilities in the US and one of the largest economies in the world. The nations of the European Union combined populations total 448 million. Who do you suppose should be the primary representatives? The Central American Federation? Montana? Bakersfield?

Clearly, we should be letting these megacorporations do as they please! I mean, who do these political bodies think they are? Wanting to govern or something. Truly absurd. /s
 
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Apple doesn’t make their business model around selling my data. So not even the same.

I’m almost completely google free

No big tech company sells user data, that'd be like Coca Cola selling the recipe to diet coke.

Big tech like Google or Meta make their money off using their user data. Advertisers pay them to show their ads to users that Google or Meta think it will be relevant to. This is why you get Sponsored results in a Google search and not snail mail relevant to your search history.

Not to say that nobody sells user data. Scummier businesses absolutely do. Just that big tech knows how to play the game better than having to resort to that.
 
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The assumption is that the EU’s concerns are completely baseless?

I’d love it if Apple allowed something other than WebKit. Just saying.

The alternative to everything WebKit is everything chromium. Sometimes, we don’t really get what we want. Just a choice of which situation is less crappy for all of us.

So be careful of what you wish for. You just might get it.
 
The alternative to everything WebKit is everything chromium. Sometimes, we don’t really get what we want. Just a choice of which situation is less crappy for all of us.

So be careful of what you wish for. You just might get it.

Gecko?

If Apple’s platform was open to them we’d probably see more.
 
Trident, Edge, Gecko?

There are options. And if Apple’s platform was open to them we’d probably see more.

I am thinking more about how Apple blocked flash on their platform to give their own App Store a leg up, and we all cheered Apple for it back then.

Would the App Store have taken off if Apple had been committed to “openness” and supported flash and left it to fate to decide which standard would ultimately prevail? Maybe, maybe not. The point is - Apple was astute to not have left anything up to chance. No successful business does.

Apple stacked the deck like any master strategist would and left nothing to chance. The way I see it, this whole matter has never been about “options”, but but retaining control of your own platform.

Because an Apple which remains firmly in control is an Apple that always wins. No matter how strong the competition.
 
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