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It's sad that I'm this cynical about Apple now, but 'missing key in the firmware' as the excuse, which no one else has the cryptographic ability to verify themselves, sounds like covering up a blatant hardware blunder here.

But my comment may be premature and not well informed, does anyone have a comment?

Is there a way to inspect Apple's fix to see if it did hardware instruction kernel changes like the one posted on Reddit, or will we never know as it's all closed source?

Missing key in the firmware my ass...

If it was a hardware design issue this minor fix wouldn’t have solved the issue. The proof is in that
 
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But still... Putting it in a freezer will give even better performances?

Seems good but we'll, I bet Apple will reinvent a new cooling system on futures models, just because you know... Keep everything quiet...
No, look a five or six posts above, faster with the fix than it was in the freezer.
 
But still... Putting it in a freezer will give even better performances?

Seems good but we'll, I bet Apple will reinvent a new cooling system on futures models, just because you know... Keep everything quiet...

If they stick with Intel and Intel can still only put out 14nm++++ but now with 8 cores next year, they won’t have a lot of choice but to get into the cryogenics business :confused:
 
Whilst I’m happy there is a patch for my new i9 - the thing i find most depressing is Dave Lee’s video. It shows all these YouTube Influencers are all for sale.

Look at his words carefully, you can smell the script has been vetted by Apple’s PR, with some minor criticisms of Apple negoiatied back in by Dave to save his creditablity. Yuk. Its all so dishonest. Take everything you see on YouTube with a HUGE Grian of salt. These guys are all just another source of advertising for these large companies.
 
This, the issue is not 'fully' fixed in my mind till it's operational in Bootcamp too. ( attached with and without manual throttle of power consumption after patch to demonstrate )
Apple had zero obligation to fix bootcamp. That’s always been a nice thing, but not a promise.
 
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Small steps...now bring back legacy ports and MagSafe, and lose the moth keyboard.

No. Single-use ports are an absolute no-go now. These ports provide the most freedom. If I want to charge my computer and use 3x eGPUs, I can. If I want to connect to three displays with DisplayPort to USB-C, I can. If I want to connect three external hard drives using USB-B to USB-C, I can.
 
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Look at those temperatures! Intels max allowed die temperatures for the 8th-gen is set at 100 degrees Celsius. All of the these testers reach well into the 90s. I would be very concerned about longevity on these machines. Just imagine the stress on the components working at the limit.
Even if you seldom put full load on the CPU, the temperature @Idle will still be high and put stress on the components.
 
Yet Dell still has yet to fix their i9 throttling issues. But no one is going to talk about that, right?

How many Dell users complained vs. how many Apple users complained, and how do those numbers translate to percentage of each company's user base that complained? This would give an indication of the power of negative publicity and the importance of customers speaking up when there are issues.
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All this just makes me excited for Apple to Make their own CPU
Even in the same company, you can still have squabbling between departments.
End user: "Computer is not working"
Hardware group: "It's a software issue"
Software group: "No, it's a hardware issue"
 
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Ridiculous, the biggest tech company that ever was needs to “work together” with a YouTuber to fix a common problem in a product category it sells since 1989.


Heat in a laptop? Oh no, we don’t have engineers for that.
Can you help us out, random person on the internet!​
 
Ridiculous, the biggest tech company that ever was needs to “work together” with a YouTuber to fix a common problem in a product category it sells since 1989.


Heat in a laptop? Oh no, we don’t have engineers for that.
Can you help us out, random person on the internet!​
They didn’t need to work with Dave Lee. They have capable engineers. They worked with him for PR purposes.
 
It's still scary how the Richest/Best? Computer/Design company in the world (supposedly) can't even test their product before release.

Either Apple are incompetent, which I can assume most here would say no to.
Or they just don't care, which I can also assume most here would say no to.
They don't bother testing their products? which I assume is also a no.
They don't have anyone skilled enough to test them? another no?
They deliberately release faulty goods, another no?

How can they spend months on a product and not notice MAJOR flaws that some general youtube/tech people find within days?

It's just unfathomable how this is possible.
 
No. Single-use ports are an absolute no-go now. These ports provide the most freedom. If I want to charge my computer and use 3x eGPUs, I can. If I want to connect to three displays with DisplayPort to USB-C, I can. If I want to connect three external hard drives using USB-B to USB-C, I can.

And if they add a magsafe, SD-card reader, a USB-A port and loose the moth keyboard, you still can! You seem under the impression that they are mutually exclusive, they are not.
 
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It's still scary how the Richest/Best? Computer/Design company in the world (supposedly) can't even test their product before release.

Either Apple are incompetent, which I can assume most here would say no to.
Or they just don't care, which I can also assume most here would say no to.
They don't bother testing their products? which I assume is also a no.
They don't have anyone skilled enough to test them? another no?
They deliberately release faulty goods, another no?

How can they spend months on a product and not notice MAJOR flaws that some general youtube/tech people find within days?

It's just unfathomable how this is possible.
Why would Apple test it with unoptomised apps?
 
Boring. It was more fun bashing apple w conspiracy theories

Sigh... All that good complaining has gone to waste.

This still won't shut the Apple haters up.

. Yep most of it was click bait. Annoyingly I’ve had my YouTube feed filled with over dramatic videos of people with their head in their hands saying I returned my MacBook Pro. Or pics of a MacBook with fail, returned or crosses in large red type. All click bait.

That doesn’t matter to the complainers. They just bash and blame Apple by accusing them of withholding updates for the $$$.

Seriously I have been around these forums long enough to see the same complaint over and over and over and over. If there is one 8th generation processor, people think there are millions of them.


Do you people not realize that the haters, whiners, conspiracy types, you tubers and those who returned their MacBooks collectively made enough noise to make Apple addresss this genuine serious flaw?
This would not have happened without those people. You should be thanking them
 
This throttling thing won't push me to upgrade my 2012 rMBP soon. Moore law seems so 1990 now...

My 2015 retina iMac can be upgraded to the latest model for a ~1% single core and ~10% multi core performance increase. Instead I could get the iMac Pro for a ~4% decrease in single core and ~260% increase in multi core, but at a very high cost.

I know Geekbench scores are not everything, but even so the numbers are a little depressing.
 
No. Single-use ports are an absolute no-go now. These ports provide the most freedom. If I want to charge my computer and use 3x eGPUs, I can. If I want to connect to three displays with DisplayPort to USB-C, I can. If I want to connect three external hard drives using USB-B to USB-C, I can.

But if you go to iPhone/iPad discussions, they are constantly disparaging the USB-C connectors for being loose, bigger, uglier, etc. and Lightning is oh so much better. So if USB-C apparently has so many issues, why would Mac users want it on their Macs? But the iPhone guys have no answer to this. It's like they want to trash USB-C wherever they see it but they always stop short of trashing it on Macs because of some sense of duty to Apple, because Apple chose to put USB-C on Macs.
 
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