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http://store.apple.com/us/configure/MC976LL/A? -- scroll down to accessories. It was addressed in the Keynote that an adapter was to be released shortly for TB to FW800.

This is all very well, but with such adapters you need to choose between FW, ethernet and my older display (the MBAirs only have one TB port). With a current MBP you can at least have all three at the same time!

This is a retrograde step for many. Not to mention that these two accessories will cost a further £50.
 
This is all very well, but with such adapters you need to choose between FW, ethernet and my older display (the MBAirs only have one TB port). With a current MBP you can at least have all three at the same time!

This is a retrograde step for many. Not to mention that these two accessories will cost a further £50.
Apple would be happy to sell you their $999 27" Thunderbolt Display, which would allow for FireWire, Ethernet and thunderbolt connectivity all at once ;)
 
I'm fine with all of these things not being built in for as infrequent as they get used, but I do wish that Apple would have included the Ethernet, FireWire, MagSafe adapters and external SuperDrive in the box for at least the first generation MacBook Pro with retina display. Having to spend $150 in adapters to make your $2,200 laptop usable with today's technology is kind of a bitter pill to swallow.

So don't buy it.
 
So don't buy it.

Ach! Mein Gott im Himmel!

Is that your answer to everything? Some folks would like a bit more choice and when faced with Apple's reality a brief moment of frustrated expression is all they desire and a pointless quip really doesn't add any substance to the conversation.

Obviously many of us won't buy one. Doesn't mean we'll quietly not buy it.

Cheers,
 
I don't understand..

Okay so you have just had very long-winded rant about how Apple refuse to sell them or let someone else sell them???

So how is a maxed-out MBP not powerful enough for you? Its exactly the same as the retina maxed-out. Actually it will perform better.

If not, Get A Mac Pro.



Boy, that's a totally helpful response.

Okay, here's the thing. I like OS X. Most of my work is done on OS X. I use OS X for my finances, my programming, all that stuff. I would like to continue doing so. I would like to have powerful machines on which to do so.

But I can't, because Apple refuses to sell them or let someone else sell them.

So here's the thing. One of the purposes of a discussion forum is for people to talk about things, and how those things affect them. This can be a pretty cool experience, but it's frustrating on Apple forums, because a bunch of the people have nothing better to do with their time than be smug, insulting, and derisive about how stupid it is for anyone to want Apple to make the best hardware they can, instead of cutting corners and abandoning users who have been relying on them.

If you aren't one of the "pro" users the MBP line used to be targeted at, that's fine; you don't have to want these features to be a good person. But it would sure be cool if you would refrain from insulting and deriding people for wanting Apple to continue making excellent high-end hardware with all the cool functionality that they could put in a machine if it were designed in terms of what it could do, not how thin it would be.

The MBP forum is, I think, for users of MacBook Pros, and people who would like to use them in the future, to talk about what they want. Reacting with blatant hostility and derision whenever someone wants something you don't personally need is not improving the quality of these forums. Come on, you can do better.

The idea that someone's needs from a computer are only relevant if they are being forced to buy at gunpoint is stupid. Yes, I know it's a rhetorical device, but it's a stupid one, because obviously the question is not "forced to buy" but "would very much like to buy". I make a fair bit of money doing things using Apple's products. I would like to spend that money on more Apple products, but for me to do this, they have to start making some products that are designed for the historical market of the "MacBook Pro" line -- people who might want a couple of extra ports. People who might be willing to put up with a laptop that's an eigth of an inch thicker in order to get a machine that's faster, or more powerful. People who keep laptops long enough that the ability to upgrade drives and memory is genuinely important to them. You know. "Pro" users.

Heck, I could probably make do (which is a phrase that has been coming up more and more often in my Apple experience over the last few years) if they just had Retina MBPs and Thunderbolt displays which weren't glossy.
 
I've noticed many on this forum are talking about "wifi security" in the business realm. In all honesty, I'd like to see a breakdown of business vs. consumers and I'm willing to bet that 75% of macs sold are to consumers so apple doesn't really give a hoot about the "wifi security for business" argument. I'm not say I don't like ethernet, cuz I sure as heck do, but money talks, and that's with consumers, not businesses especially with companies adopting more rapidly the BYOD system.

As for me, I'd be willing to bite in the name of "progressing" but no on wireless N. If they dished out AC w/ a router... it'd for sure be tempted, but not until then will I really consider. As for me, new base 13" MBP w/ 16GB ram for new egg and a 256gb samsung 830 (500gb hdd going in cdrom). It'll hold me for a few years until retina stuff has played out and full switch to ssd w/ larger storage is in play.
 
Ach! Mein Gott im Himmel!

Is that your answer to everything? Some folks would like a bit more choice and when faced with Apple's reality a brief moment of frustrated expression is all they desire and a pointless quip really doesn't add any substance to the conversation.

Obviously many of us won't buy one. Doesn't mean we'll quietly not buy it.

Cheers,

You have two, choose wisely.

http://store.apple.com/us/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro
 
I said it more than once, I will say it again.

It is insulting and pathetic to have to buy something called a "DONGLE" just to make my 3k+ machine do what it should do natively. Wanna hear me NOT complain about DONGLES? Then include the damn TB adapters free for those who select it when purchasing their machines.

Cheap arse designers and company....

They can stick their DONGLE where the sun doesn't shine imo.

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Boy, that's a totally helpful response.

Okay, here's the thing. I like OS X. Most of my work is done on OS X. I use OS X for my finances, my programming, all that stuff. I would like to continue doing so. I would like to have powerful machines on which to do so.

But I can't, because Apple refuses to sell them or let someone else sell them.

So here's the thing. One of the purposes of a discussion forum is for people to talk about things, and how those things affect them. This can be a pretty cool experience, but it's frustrating on Apple forums, because a bunch of the people have nothing better to do with their time than be smug, insulting, and derisive about how stupid it is for anyone to want Apple to make the best hardware they can, instead of cutting corners and abandoning users who have been relying on them.

If you aren't one of the "pro" users the MBP line used to be targeted at, that's fine; you don't have to want these features to be a good person. But it would sure be cool if you would refrain from insulting and deriding people for wanting Apple to continue making excellent high-end hardware with all the cool functionality that they could put in a machine if it were designed in terms of what it could do, not how thin it would be.

The MBP forum is, I think, for users of MacBook Pros, and people who would like to use them in the future, to talk about what they want. Reacting with blatant hostility and derision whenever someone wants something you don't personally need is not improving the quality of these forums. Come on, you can do better.

The idea that someone's needs from a computer are only relevant if they are being forced to buy at gunpoint is stupid. Yes, I know it's a rhetorical device, but it's a stupid one, because obviously the question is not "forced to buy" but "would very much like to buy". I make a fair bit of money doing things using Apple's products. I would like to spend that money on more Apple products, but for me to do this, they have to start making some products that are designed for the historical market of the "MacBook Pro" line -- people who might want a couple of extra ports. People who might be willing to put up with a laptop that's an eigth of an inch thicker in order to get a machine that's faster, or more powerful. People who keep laptops long enough that the ability to upgrade drives and memory is genuinely important to them. You know. "Pro" users.

Heck, I could probably make do (which is a phrase that has been coming up more and more often in my Apple experience over the last few years) if they just had Retina MBPs and Thunderbolt displays which weren't glossy.

I really don't think I could have said this better!!
 
I said it more than once, I will say it again.

It is insulting and pathetic to have to buy something called a "DONGLE" just to make my 3k+ machine do what it should do natively.

Is 30 bucks too much for you? because that's what the dongle costs. Should apple include one? Well it would be nice, but...

Most people with mac laptops simply don't use ethernet that much. I'd also wager almost 100% of them don't use ethernet when not at a desk (which is what a notebook is for - working away from a desk). When at a desk, you can plug into your dongle OR thunderbolt display (if you're cashed up).

Rather than gig-e, you have 2 thundebolt ports - when 10gig-e comes down to consumer price level (already have it in my servers), you'll be able to plug into a 10 gig network instead.
 
well my macbook is hardwired at my house friends places that have routers but are in a different part of the house and i am in the living rooms i am wireless but if there routers are in the same room its hard lined as its more reliable
 
I said it more than once, I will say it again.

It is insulting and pathetic to have to buy something called a "DONGLE" just to make my 3k+ machine do what it should do natively. Wanna hear me NOT complain about DONGLES? Then include the damn TB adapters free for those who select it when purchasing their machines.

And it's self-important entitlement to think that we should all have to pay for something only a few of us need.

Are you so naive that you think if it's "in the box" it's really free??
 
I don't get all the Ethernet hate. I could understand something like Firewire where there's an alternative (USB 3.0, TB, etc.) but there is absolutely no alternative to Ethernet, except for fibre but that gets expensive and really isn't a better solution. Of course you can get adaptors or whatever, and I know it's not ideal but it's still the best alternative when you lack an Ethernet port. I just don't understand everyone saying Ethernet is outdated technology. There's nothing outdated about it, at least until an alternative is introduced on all levels.
 
I don't get all the Ethernet hate. I could understand something like Firewire where there's an alternative (USB 3.0, TB, etc.) but there is absolutely no alternative to Ethernet, except for fibre but that gets expensive and really isn't a better solution. Of course you can get adaptors or whatever, and I know it's not ideal but it's still the best alternative when you lack an Ethernet port. I just don't understand everyone saying Ethernet is outdated technology. There's nothing outdated about it, at least until an alternative is introduced on all levels.

well they seem to think wireless is the alternative solution but they forget or dont know in older buildings brick can disrupt the wireless signal, electrical wiring can disrupt the signal, and even metal backed insulation for thermal protection for the building can wreck havoc on a wireless signal and this can happen even in new buildings my mom would love not having an Ethernet cable going to her wireless equipped desktop but we cant as the room were the computer is cannot get the signal as soon as you step through the door the signal dies. i have tried wireless repeaters but as soon as you take the repeater into the rooom it looses signal and if you place outside the room to get a signal you loose it again as soon as you go through the door the brick and cinder block wall going into that room and the house is about 2-3 feet thick as part of the room joining the main house makes it that thick
 
And it's self-important entitlement to think that we should all have to pay for something only a few of us need.

Are you so naive that you think if it's "in the box" it's really free??

Let me put it in a simple way:

I am sure that other than myself, there will be a few more that are not likely to purchase the new machines with limited ports. (Maybe they will buy the reg MBP, who knows?)

If I WERE going to buy one, I would have gone with top end. That being the case Apple loses 3k+ for the cost of a dongle.

It is NOT self important to expect that if a company interested in EVERYONE's business would demonstrate the willingness to offer customer service to keep everyone happy. I am not suggesting they offer the planet, just the courtesy of a DONGLE for those who might request it when purchasing the machine as a customer loyalty/gratitude issue.

As someone else quoted me something along the lines of 30.00 being too much?

If Apple were to offer the required DONGLE to the FEW (as you say) they might lose something along the lines of $30.00 per the very few who need/want the feature and GAIN the $3k from those customers.

No, $30.00 won't break my bank. I just think it is STUPID to have to BUY a DONGLE for a PRO line laptop.
 
...Ethernet was simply designed during a time when mainframe dominated, and when mini-computers size of refrigerators were considered "portable". There is no excuse in continuing to use a port that is designed during Watergate, and has a totally unreasonable size for the function that it performs and the designed bit rate. Its plastic and fragile construction was originally designed for data centers and intranets, very few people today can justify its continued existence...

:eek: WOW! You really have no clue do you??
 
Is 30 bucks too much for you? because that's what the dongle costs. Should apple include one? Well it would be nice, but...
$30 for one adapter, sure. But unless you want to find yourself in a predicament where you can't plug something in to your laptop, you're going to have to buy all of the adapters whether you need them on a daily basis or not.

$30 Firewire Adapter
$30 Ethernet Adapter
$10 Magsafe Adapter
$80 USB Superdrive

That's $150 in adapters required to maintain feature parity with the legacy MacBook Pro. Not a deal-breaker, but definitely irritating that Apple doesn't just include these things in the box for the time being to help ease the transition.
 
$30 for one adapter, sure. But unless you want to find yourself in a predicament where you can't plug something in to your laptop, you're going to have to buy all of the adapters whether you need them on a daily basis or not.

$30 Firewire Adapter
$30 Ethernet Adapter
$10 Magsafe Adapter
$80 USB Superdrive

That's $150 in adapters required to maintain feature parity with the legacy MacBook Pro. Not a deal-breaker, but definitely irritating that Apple doesn't just include these things in the box for the time being to help ease the transition.

Once again, if you are actually one of the small number of people that MUST HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS, you should really be buying the regular line MBP. That's why it's there, to give you these things without dongles. The retina model is just not made for you and your legacy port needs. Try again in a few years, or just hang on to your same old accessories until the end of time.
 
$30 for one adapter, sure. But unless you want to find yourself in a predicament where you can't plug something in to your laptop, you're going to have to buy all of the adapters whether you need them on a daily basis or not.

$30 Firewire Adapter
$30 Ethernet Adapter
$10 Magsafe Adapter
$80 USB Superdrive

That's $150 in adapters required to maintain feature parity with the legacy MacBook Pro. Not a deal-breaker, but definitely irritating that Apple doesn't just include these things in the box for the time being to help ease the transition.

I'd agree with putting in the $10 magsafe adapter, but for the rest i think its a matter of a good number of people just don't need those other adapters/superdrive, and you would automatically make the machine that much more unnecessarily expensive.
 
Once again, if you are actually one of the small number of people that MUST HAVE ALL OF THESE THINGS, you should really be buying the regular line MBP. That's why it's there, to give you these things without dongles. The retina model is just not made for you and your legacy port needs. Try again in a few years, or just hang on to your same old accessories until the end of time.
I'd agree with putting in the $10 magsafe adapter, but for the rest i think its a matter of a good number of people just don't need those other adapters/superdrive, and you would automatically make the machine that much more unnecessarily expensive.
I agree that the legacy MacBook Pro is a much better fit for someone who needs those connections on a daily basis, but I'm not even talking about daily use. Anyone working as a creative professional who must purchase their own computer is going to occasionally find themselves in a scenario where they will need one or all of these things. Wi-Fi networks can be spotty at best, and finding someone who knows the password and security type can sometimes prove challenging when you've walked into a client's office. Firewire drives are extremely prominent in the Mac ecosystem, so chances are you will be handed one on occasion. Same is true of optical media. And when you forget your power brick at home, a spare Magsafe 2 power brick could be hard to come by.

Fact is it would have costed Apple $30 tops to include all of those things in the box, but instead they're passing the cost onto their customers and making a fat profit in the process.
 
and finding someone who knows the password and security type can sometimes prove challenging when you've walked into a client's office.
How is that different from a wired network connection? I've never walked into an office where I simply connected my computer to the nearest Ethernet cable and, whish-bang, I am on the network and able to access everything.
 
Apple is not building high end Retina computers for those who won't spend $30 on adapters. Get over yourselves. These new computers are not for you. Apple doesn't want a bunch of whiners using their computers. If you want the ports that bad, get a regular MBP. If you want a retina with all the same ports, get a Dell or something else with a 2880x1800 screen. Ohh wait...
 
How is that different from a wired network connection? I've never walked into an office where I simply connected my computer to the nearest Ethernet cable and, whish-bang, I am on the network and able to access everything.
Of course the servers are all still password protected, but I've never been in an office where you couldn't plug in to an ethernet jack and immediately be online.
 
Of course the servers are all still password protected, but I've never been in an office where you couldn't plug in to an ethernet jack and immediately be online.

You've only been to very small offices/companies then since they didn't have AD authentication.
 
I agree with the OP.

Hurray for dumping the optical and Firewire, they're both obsolete and useless technology today and even more so in the near future (especially on a supposedly mobile laptop).

The Ethernet port will be missed, but I don't mind it being turned into an optional adapter if it means a much thinner and lighter rMBP.
 
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