Really? 4,000,000+ dissatisfied users posted to a MacRumors poll? Please post a link as I missed that one. Or could it be the majority of users posting in a Help and Troubleshooting forum are having problems?
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Really? 4,000,000+ dissatisfied users posted to a MacRumors poll? Please post a link as I missed that one. Or could it be the majority of users posting in a Help and Troubleshooting forum are having problems?
I've had a backup or two go corrupt.
Do tell about securing data with faulty software (I assume by secure you mean recover or use it). I'll start and you complete the sentance: Faulty software writes bad data and you secure it by
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Thank you. And to add to your point, please show us where all of those that posted to the MR poll actually own an iPhone 3G. Could it be that there are those that don't own an iPhone 3G that might participate in a poll only to drive up numbers to get the results they want?
... syncing your phone to a third party application like Outlook or similar Mac-based applications (or MobileMe), so as to circumvent the necessity to rely on said faulty software's backup. For things that aren't backed up via that method (like applications), it's really as simple as keeping a copy of your applications on your HDD or another storage device. Simple as that.
On that note though, the only reason that a faulty backup is created (to my knowledge) is when the user prematurely cancels an iPhone backup sync. If you press the X, you corrupt the backup, and apparently all prior backups. I'm not saying that is the case every time, but I suspect that would explain the majority of users problems (which by the way I hope is addressed by Apple in future).
You surveyed 8 million people? Holy s***!
Seriously though, dissatisfaction often has nothing to do with hardware problems. A lot of people expected a full bluetooth stack; a lot of people expected turn by turn GPS; a lot of people expected Flash support (by the way, all of these "shortcomings" were known about, assuming you read a thread or two before you bought your phone). All of said shortcomings are not physical glitches with the phone, yet they might leave some people (especially tech-savvy people who might habit forums like Macrumors) dissatisfied. Such dissatisfaction has nothing to do with hardware glitches, and so your argument is fundamentally flawed.
...not relying on any single point of backup.
I myself never rely on one single point of backup. If a user's data is that critical it is imperative that they employ at least two methods of backup. The logic is simple, if your original files can be corrupted, lost or destroyed, so can a backup.
I do not rely on Apple's backup for my critical information. I follow Milani's advice and sync my data with other applications that are backed up elsewhere.
never had a problem with my first iPhone,
Never had a problem with my current iPhone,
Never jailbroken, AT&T, 2.02, and happy.
I guess I'm just the luckiest person in the world, because of ALL the problems.
Never had a problem with my current iPhone,
Never jailbroken, AT&T, 2.02, and happy.
I guess I'm just the luckiest person in the world, because of ALL the problems.
Would iPhone 2.0.2 be as buggy if you didn't install anything from the AppStore on it? I'm just wondering because I only have 1.5 pages of AppStore apps and the first page is all stock and AIM.app... call me lucky but, I don't have any lag anywhere and my iPhone hasn't restarted by itself since 2.0.0. Yay. I used to have a bunch of games on here and other useless crap that I've collected, but I found that I wasn't USING that crap, so I deleted it. I'm happy. I don't need 100 apps, I just need the few "good" ones until better ones come out.
I don't think the problem is having too many apps. I think the problem is that there are too many apps that are crap and as I believe you pointed out in a different thread, Apple is not really QA'ing the apps, they are only ensuring there is no malicious code (they probably do a limited test on the apps to make sure they work as advertised).
Statistically speaking though, the more apps you have the more likely you are to have problems that may be caused by 3rd party apps.
I have maybe 8 3rd party apps on my iPhone 3G and of those I only really use a couple of those with any regularity. I have had no problems to speak of with my phone and I have never had to do a restore. A couple hard resets but that is something I have had to do on every smartphone I have ever owned and I have had to do it less frequently on my iPhone.
May I respectfully disagree...
I did not believe it was related to the number of apps either but I've been swayed to think it is definitely playing into these symptoms. If I hit right around 80 installed apps the problems begin to appear and force me into a restore. Seriously, think about it. By Apple's design, the apps themselves cannot bring down the phone's OS. It has been stated that the apps are designed to not have access to do this. Whenever the problems start with 3rd party apps not launching, this never affects the core apps from Apple. This indicates a problem with the phone OS, and not with any number of apps a user has installed.
We can argue all day but I've seen and experienced enough to stand behind my statement on this. Also to those who say "who in the world needs that many apps???" Don't get me wrong, there is plenty of repeated 'crap' on the App Store but there are also very well written and useful utilities I find myself using daily. You also must not have children. I have purchased a good selection of games and my son loves playing in the car...I also kill time myself while waiting in lines, etc.
I did not believe it was related to the number of apps either but I've been swayed to think it is definitely playing into these symptoms. If I hit right around 80 installed apps the problems begin to appear and force me into a restore. Seriously, think about it. By Apple's design, the apps themselves cannot bring down the phone's OS. It has been stated that the apps are designed to not have access to do this. Whenever the problems start with 3rd party apps not launching, this never affects the core apps from Apple. This indicates a problem with the phone OS, and not with any number of apps a user has installed.
We can argue all day but I've seen and experienced enough to stand behind my statement on this. Also to those who say "who in the world needs that many apps???" Don't get me wrong, there is plenty of repeated 'crap' on the App Store but there are also very well written and useful utilities I find myself using daily. You also must not have children. I have purchased a good selection of games and my son loves playing in the car...I also kill time myself while waiting in lines, etc.
Re-read my post. My point is that it is not an issue with how many apps but that the apps are crap (in other words poorly written and not working as they are supposed to) and the more apps you have the more likely you are to have a problem.
I know the apps aren't supposed to cause problems with the OS but I have only 8 3rd party apps and no problems how do you explain the difference?
You yourself have said you get to a point of putting apps on the phone and that is when the problems start. How doesn't this suggest that the 3rd party apps are the problem and not behaving the way they are supposed to behave?
Fair enough...
Let's see what we can figure out. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that most of you not having problems at the moment do not have a large number of apps installed. For those if you who have time, please go to the App Store and download all you can, be it free or paid, whatever. Download and install some directly from the iPhone, then download some from iTunes.
As you install more apps, backups take longer, app installations take longer, and eventually I'd venture to say that you will ultimately experience the problems everyone else is describing here. Apple supports up to 9 separate home screens full of apps. The reason I feel it's the OS and NOT the apps is because there are background processes running in the OS constantly that track the location of the apps on your home screens and anytime changes are made, this background activity increases substantially with more apps. It doesn't discriminate as far as what the app is, be it crap or quality or whatever. The problem is universal...
I don't even fill up each home screen. I keep my bottom row empty with 16 apps per screen. This makes it much easier to rearrange without throwing icon arrangement out of whack.
I'd love to challenge all of the naysayers to try this and report back. You all up to it?
Nathan
Let's see what we can figure out. I'll go out on a limb and suggest that most of you not having problems at the moment do not have a large number of apps installed. For those if you who have time, please go to the App Store and download all you can, be it free or paid, whatever. Download and install some directly from the iPhone, then download some from iTunes.
As you install more apps, backups take longer, app installations take longer, and eventually I'd venture to say that you will ultimately experience the problems everyone else is describing here. Apple supports up to 9 separate home screens full of apps. The reason I feel it's the OS and NOT the apps is because there are background processes running in the OS constantly that track the location of the apps on your home screens and anytime changes are made, this background activity increases substantially with more apps. It doesn't discriminate as far as what the app is, be it crap or quality or whatever. The problem is universal...
I don't even fill up each home screen. I keep my bottom row empty with 16 apps per screen. This makes it much easier to rearrange without throwing icon arrangement out of whack.
I'd love to challenge all of the naysayers to try this and report back. You all up to it?
Nathan
I have purchased 42 apps and had them all installed on both of my phones and still had no problems. I only got rid of more than half of them because I have no idea why I bought most if them to begin with. I don't play games, yet I bought 6 of them. I also got rid of AIM, Palringo and AOL radio and many others. They are just worthless to me and I really don't need them and some others. Now I just have ToDo, OmniFocus, Things, EarthScape. iGas, Sunrise, Weatherbug, SportsTap, Moleskinnery+, Pick&Choose, AtBat, IDB Pro and iWant.
I don't want to clutter up my phone anymore by having useless apps fill up 7 screens like I had at one time. It gsts hard to find something I want to use.
As I said, I still had no problems with 42 apps installed.
I don't want to clutter up my phone anymore by having useless apps fill up 7 screens like I had at one time. It gsts hard to find something I want to use.
As I said, I still had no problems with 42 apps installed.
I've also had ZERO problems with 40, 50, 60 apps. Push it a little further to 80 or 90 and let me know what happens...seriously...
Check out the Apple discussions now on Apps not launching at all, etc. Seems new topics are popping up by the hour with people having the exact same problems. The system is broken in some way...period. It's just a matter of time before it'll get you and you'll understand why so many users are so extremely frustrated with Apple right now.
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It may absolutely SHOCK you to learn that not everyone uses their phones like you do (or apparently, DON'T) ... Let's take me, for instance. I don't live in BFE N.H., like you. I live a huge, sprawling metropolis called Tokyo. You may have even heard of it. Now, I don't know if you know this, but Tokyo has a very well developed train system, and I, like many residents, commute to work by train every day. In fact, I spend up to *three hours* per day on the train. Perhaps you can imagine, then, why someone like me might have spent more than $250 on apps.
See what happens when you realize that not everyone is exactly like you? Wow! Things begin to make sense, don't they?
TheSpaz said:
It may absolutely SHOCK you to learn that not everyone uses their phones like you do (or apparently, DON'T) ... Let's take me, for instance. I don't live in BFE N.H., like you. I live a huge, sprawling metropolis called Tokyo. You may have even heard of it. Now, I don't know if you know this, but Tokyo has a very well developed train system, and I, like many residents, commute to work by train every day. In fact, I spend up to *three hours* per day on the train. Perhaps you can imagine, then, why someone like me might have spent more than $250 on apps.
See what happens when you realize that not everyone is exactly like you? Wow! Things begin to make sense, don't they?
Hi,
sorry, I just picked out a couple of points from the above:
- I wouldn't consider the 3G "bleeding edge technology" for two reasons: 1. the iPhone 3G is the second iteration of the iPhone. 2. The rest of the technology that's different in the 3G from the V1 iPhone has been around and implemented for years. So no, I most certainly didn't expect problems, otherwise I wouldn't have bought the phone in the first place. I had a V1 iPHone and never had any major issues with stability.
- As for the backup: I have backups of everything - they just don't work. I have several backups of all of the essential data - so what I lost is mainly passwords (as SplashID wouldn't sync and I couldn't correctly upload the backup iTunes had made), some tasks that I hadn't backed up yet because I didn't have acces to my computer at work during the weekend and my fuel data that I need for filing my taxes next year. It's still annoying as heck.
- Netshare: netshare's NOT against Apple's TOS, it's only against Apple's agreement with AT&T. I'm not on AT&T. Swisscom doesn't have any policy against tethering. Works without additional charge on any other handset.
I've been in IT for 15 years now - believe me, I know how to handle a phone and do backups.
peter
I don't have any of these problems either - what I'm experiencing is just an extremly buggy OS, if you ask me.
peter
nope, I can't say I have. Ok, so the iPhone 3G is the second worst product Apple has ever produced.
Yeah I jailbroke mine and get some funny glitches now. It doesn't worry me too much as I know I can just restore it if I want to.
I've got 5 pages of Apps installed on my phone and I haven't had any major problems.
Are you unhappy with your iPhone?
The majority of people on macrumors are Apple fanboys or else why would they be here... this is a site on excitement over possible mac rumors after all.