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The 16GB iPhone is NOT a ripoff

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warrior2000 said:
Very few smartphones start at 32GB. Samsung and LG and maybe one or two more. Most like Xiaomi, Levenovo, Windows phone, Moto, One+ all still start at 16GB.
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You conveniently neglect to add that most other high end android phones also have the option of a very cheap sd card to expand storage.
 
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C DM said:
As soon as you show yours. Given that you have been making assumptions from the beginning and haven't supported any of them. You've been asked for proof many times not showing any and now resorting to asking for it yourself? As obvious of a ploy as any.
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I'm not the one saying an 8GB iPhone6S would sell well. You are. Prove it.
 
warrior2000 said:
How do you know how great the financial impact will be? Lets see a rough calculation.
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You seemed to know of what the financial impact would be if Apple went with 32 GB as the base, implying that it would be bad. Let's see a rough calculation of that?
 
warrior2000 said:
I'm not the one saying an 8GB iPhone6S would sell well. You are. Prove it.
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First we'd need to see proof that the reason that 16 GB is selling well is because 16 GB is what most people want vs because it's simply the cheapest model. You've made that assumption from the beginning and have never proven it.
 
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warrior2000 said:
The old CPU's could not run 64bit, TouchID, ApplePay, ect. Comparing onboard storage to CPU/GPU/RAM is ridiculous. CPU/RAM/GPU measures a phones processing power. Onboard storage just measure how much stuff you can put on your phone.

And what are all these High-end Android phones that start at 32GB? The only ones I know is the Samsung's and LG G4. Who else?
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CPU's from the last few iPhones have supported 64 bit and TouchID. You know that the iPhone 6 supports this right? Surely carrying this over would have saved Apple some money.

I know very well these are two different metrics, but you seem to only care about Apple's bottom line, so why not make the phone as cheap as possible?

If an iPhone 6S came in an 8GB model for $549, you can bet that it would be the best selling iPhone of the year. People want the best and pay the least for it.
 
warrior2000 said:
Mainstream consumers could care less about sd card storage. Only tech nerds care about that.
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So you are saying they aren't buying 16 GB because they thought about it and that it works for them, but simply because it's the cheapest model (since they don't even know or care about storage). Once again supporting the argument against the one you are making.
 
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C DM said:
As soon as you prove that the reason that 16 GB is selling well is because 16 GB is what most people want vs because it's simply the cheapest model. You've made that assumption from the beginning and have never proven it.
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99% satisfaction rating
89% retention rate

There you go. If 16Gb was such a negative factor the iPhone retention rate would not be so high, the best in the business.
 
warrior2000 said:
The old CPU's could not run 64bit, TouchID, ApplePay, ect. Comparing onboard storage to CPU/GPU/RAM is ridiculous. CPU/RAM/GPU measures a phones processing power. Onboard storage just measure how much stuff you can put on your phone.

And what are all these High-end Android phones that start at 32GB? The only ones I know is the Samsung's and LG G4. Who else?
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They could be made t run TouchID. I've said that now at last 5 times and you ignore me because you can't properly argue.

Onboard storage and those other factors are all part of what makes a phone experience, they all matter, so if you keep saying that because 16GB suits a lot of people, we can say the same for old processes, where a lot of people don't need anything more than an A5 and A6, and therefore by your argument, apple should stop putting them in the baseline.

Again you ignored examples of 32GB staring phones. The other premium ones at 16GB are far cheaper than the iPhone and are probably mid tier phones anyway.
 
geoff5093 said:
CPU's from the last few iPhones have supported 64 bit and TouchID. You know that the iPhone 6 supports this right? Surely carrying this over would have saved Apple some money.

I know very well these are two different metrics, but you seem to only care about Apple's bottom line, so why not make the phone as cheap as possible?

If an iPhone 6S came in an 8GB model for $549, you can bet that it would be the best selling iPhone of the year. People want the best and pay the least for it.
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You could be right that a 8GB model would sell very well. But that is short term. Apple is thinking long term and they want as many phones running the latest A-series chip so they can push adoption of their future services platforms.

And Apple did sell an 8GB iPhone5C. That did not sell well at all. They cancelled it.
 
How is this thread still going while being carried on the back of just one troll with no job to keep him busy during the day?!
 
warrior2000 said:
You could be right that a 8GB model would sell very well. But that is short term. Apple is thinking long term and they want as many phones running the latest A-series chip so they can push adoption of their future services platforms.

And Apple did sell an 8GB iPhone5C. That did not sell well at all. They cancelled it.
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And they canceled the 4S as well. It is called outdated.
 
warrior2000 said:
99% satisfaction rating
89% retention rate

There you go. If 16Gb was such a negative factor the iPhone retention rate would not be so high, the best in the business.
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That is an assumption that one would correlate with another. There's no direct link there and this proof that shows what I asked about.
 
C DM said:
How do you know that? Can you provide that calculation? Does that calculation say anything about it being good for the customers?
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So you think Apple just randomly selects what the storage option should be for the new iPhones? Really? A $650 billion company would just randomly price its most important product?
 
warrior2000 said:
You could be right that a 8GB model would sell very well. But that is short term. Apple is thinking long term and they want as many phones running the latest A-series chip so they can push adoption of their future services platforms.

And Apple did sell an 8GB iPhone5C. That did not sell well at all. They cancelled it.
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How do you know that? Are you privy to those decisions at Apple? Or are you stating things without anything to back them up aside from you just assuming so?
 
warrior2000 said:
99% satisfaction rating
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Stop spewing lies. This is based on an APPLE advert, based on skewed data because funnily enough apple did not survey every single 6 user, and as I said before don't trust Apple with numbers on this sort of stuff. They have everyhing to gain by manipulating them to make them look favourable.

Just stop with the false information and lies thanks.
 
oldmacs said:
They could be made t run TouchID. I've said that now at last 5 times and you ignore me because you can't properly argue.

Onboard storage and those other factors are all part of what makes a phone experience, they all matter, so if you keep saying that because 16GB suits a lot of people, we can say the same for old processes, where a lot of people don't need anything more than an A5 and A6, and therefore by your argument, apple should stop putting them in the baseline.

Again you ignored examples of 32GB staring phones. The other premium ones at 16GB are far cheaper than the iPhone and are probably mid tier phones anyway.
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Give me a rough calculation of how much Apple would lose by starting iPhones at 32GB
 
warrior2000 said:
So you think Apple just randomly selects what the storage option should be for the new iPhones? Really? A $650 billion company would just randomly price its most important product?
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So what you are saying is that you have no knowledge of the calculations and can't provide them. Got it.
 
warrior2000 said:
So you think Apple just randomly selects what the storage option should be for the new iPhones? Really? A $650 billion company would just randomly price its most important product?
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They select what they think they can get away with, what gives them the best margins, where as the customer experience SHOULD (as this is what has made apple so big) come slightly ahead of profit margins.
 
oldmacs said:
Stop spewing lies. This is based on an APPLE advert, based on skewed data because funnily enough apple did not survey every single 6 user, and as I said before don't trust Apple with numbers on this sort of stuff. They have everyhing to gain by manipulating them to make them look favourable.

Just stop with the false information and lies thanks.
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ever heard of statistical sampling? You don't need to survey EVERY SINGLE iPhone owner to get a fairly accurate result.
 
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