The 16GB iPhone is NOT a ripoff

[warrior2000]

Samsung S6, LG G4, Nexus 6 all have 32 gb as the base model. The Moto x starts at 16 is a fair bit cheaper then the 6S.

And those companies have no choice but to offer something extra that the iPhone does not because they are in desperate straights.

Samsung just starting offering 32GB base THIS YEAR. Their profits are down 70% from its peak. They needed to 'add value' to their phones some how. LG is in deep trouble and may close their phone division soon. Nexus devices sell about 10,000 units a year (exaggeration) and are not mainstream.

 

[Number-Six]

iPhone is the best selling phone in the world
iPad is the best selling tablet
iPod was the best selling digital player
Watch is the best selling computing wearable

Yup. Sure looks like they are making the best products on earth.

Man you're like a broken record always coming back to your flawed facts.

McDonalds sells an estimated 1.5M Big Macs per day (in the US), that doesn't make it the best burger in the world.

 

[sunking101]

NO. We're not just talking Phablets. The Galaxy had a bigger screen then the iPhone since 2011, and so did many other phones.

Indeed. I remember when my girlfriend got her HTC One M8 and it looked like a phablet next to my iPhone 5. Even the Samsung Galaxy S2 looked huge next to the iPhone 5 and it was released in the same year as the iPhone 4.

 

[C DM]

I never heard anyone else say the 6+ stutters, crashes, screen freeze, poor touch screen. You probably had a defective unit.

My 6+ runs as smooth as butter.

Seems like you haven't been keeping up then.

 

[C DM]

Again Apple focuses on the mass market. Phablets were not mainstream when the 5S came out.

What happened to the incorrect assumption battery life being the reason? It was just mentioned in your previous post and then suddenly it's this. Are the arguments changing on the fly when they can't be supported simply shifting onto the next unsupported assumption?

 

[warrior2000]

NO. We're not just talking Phablets. The Galaxy had a bigger screen then the iPhone since 2011, and so did many other phones.

Jesus Christ. The Samsung S2 that was released in 2011 was 4.3 inches. That's not considered a big phone at all.

 

[oldmacs]

And those companies have no choice but to offer something extra that the iPhone does not because they are in desperate straights.

Samsung just starting offering 32GB base THIS YEAR. Their profits are down 70% from its peak. They needed to 'add value' to their phones some how. LG is in deep trouble and may close their phone division soon. Nexus devices sell about 10,000 units a year (exaggeration) and are not mainstream.

Again no relevance. None at all. The fact is the everything is larger than it was in 2009 when 16GB of storage was a standard. Apps are larger, images are larger, videos are larger, audio files are larger. Its simply a fact, and most other companies have realised this and have offered a better deal to the consumer.

Apple will put itself into desperate straights if it continues to compromise on the experience of its products (like the 1990s).

 

[warrior2000]

Seems like you haven't been keeping up then.

I don't research iPhone6 problems on the internet because my 6+ runs perfectly.

 

[oldmacs]

Jesus Christ. The Samsung S2 that was released in 2011 was 4.3 inches. That's not considered a big phone at all.

It was compared to the 3.5 inch iPhone 4 and 4S.

And again, you steer away from the argument. By the time of the 5S people wanted a bigger iPhone , which apple did not deliver and which Apple acknowledged.

 

[C DM]

Jesus Christ. The Samsung S2 that was released in 2011 was 4.3 inches. That's not considered a big phone at all.

Isn't or wasn't. Big difference between the two. One is applicable the other isn't.

 

[oldmacs]

I don't research iPhone6 problems on the internet because my 6+ runs perfectly.

Neither do we, but sometimes its hard to miss the huge numbers of forums. Its also hard to ignore issues when you personally experience them, or owners of the devices that happen to be your friends and family tell you abut them and demonstrate them.

 

[C DM]

I don't research iPhone6 problems on the internet because my 6+ runs perfectly.

If you don't know about some very obvious things how can what you say be trusted or believed in any way?

 

[warrior2000]

What happened to the incorrect assumption battery life being the reason? It was just mentioned in your previous post and then suddenly it's this. Are the arguments changing on the fly when they can't be supported simply shifting onto the next unsupported assumption?

It was both reasons.

The technology was not polished enough (battery life) and it was still not clear that the mainstream market wanted large phones in 2012. Its not like Apple takes 1 month to make the new iPhone. It takes at least a year for them to develop the 5S.

It was not until 2013 that it was clear that the market, especially in Asia wanted larger phones. Unlike Samsung that releases 1,000 models a year, Apple only made one model a year. So the larger phone had to wait till 2014.

 

[warrior2000]

If you don't know about some very obvious things how can what you say be trusted or believed in any way?

Because I own a 6+ and use it.

Why the hell would I research iPhone6+ problems if my 6+ is not giving me any problems?

And with a 99% satisfaction rating I'm not alone.

And with the 6s+ getting SOLD OUT in a matter of hours..well you know the rest.

 

[pika2000]

Apple will put itself into desperate straights if it continues to compromise on the experience of its products (like the 1990s).

True. If consumers don't see Apple providing good value, we will see sales tanking, and we will see a reaction next year. Great isn't it? That's the beauty of free market. So let the market decide. I mean according to your reasoning, we should see iPhone 6S sales not doing so well. The market will speak.

 

[suprakc]

Thank you for this initial post, it was very well-written and thought out. I am studying accounting and economics currently and this was a good read!

FWIW, one must consider that a user who purchases a 16gb iPhone has the option of iCloud photo library (now 50 GB @ $0.99 / mo.) - Yes for a buck a month, one has an additional 50 GB. Also, I love to keep my music library on my phone - but with Apple Music, the game is changed. I can stream it whenever. I can put hard copies on my phone for a road trip without LTE.
Would I ever purchase a 16 GB iPhone? Nope. Not a chance. 64 GB is the sweet spot for price, functionality, and revenue with current tech-amenities, and Apple knows that. Nevertheless, the 16 GB phone is totally usable, if savings of about $4 / mo. is worth it (on the new upgrade program)... You could always not buy a soda at lunch, twice a month, and you would have made up the difference in monthly cost between the 16 and 64 gig phone. What a silly world we live in to complain about such a thing.

 

[oldmacs]

And with a 99% satisfaction rating I'm not alone.

It doesn't have a 99 percent satisfaction rating.

For 1, you should never trust a manufacturer's data on things like that and 2. Apple and others will have never surveyed every single iPhone lover.

And with the 6s+ getting SOLD OUT in a matter of hours..well you know the rest.

That would perfectly highlight the fact people buy the iPhone on hype and marketing.

 

[oldmacs]

What a silly world we live in to complain about such a thing

What a silly world we must live in when we have people justifying decisions made purely on greed.

Nevertheless, the 16 GB phone is totally usable

As is my iPhone 5. Why isn't Apple selling the iPhone 6S with an A6 chip as the baseline model, because thats perfectly usable right? And anyone who wants not to be ripped off should just pour more money into Apple right?

 

[C DM]

Because I own a 6+ and use it.

Why the hell would I research iPhone6+ problems if my 6+ is not giving me any problems?

And with a 99% satisfaction rating I'm not alone.

And with the 6s+ getting SOLD OUT in a matter of hours..well you know the rest.

Because to make arguments about something it would make sense to be informed. Instead of trying to point out how it somehow makes sense to not be informed (which is just irrational).

Ultimately what it all comes down to is that your assumptions about how statistics work are incorrect. Your assumptions about the relationship between cause and effect are wrong. Your assumptions that assumptions can be used as evidence or proof of something are also wrong. All are very basic logical attributes that are continuously wrong and are repeatedly demonstrated to be so.

But I guess all of that would be par for the thread, so certainly not surprising at all.

 

[oldmacs]

True. If consumers don't see Apple providing good value, we will see sales tanking, and we will see a reaction next year. Great isn't it? That's the beauty of free market. So let the market decide. I mean according to your reasoning, we should see iPhone 6S sales not doing so well. The market will speak.

If Apple completely stuffed the iPhone up, it would sell for a while more on hype and marketing and being locked into an ecosystem. The same thing happened in the 1990s, Once things started going bad, Apple was still selling well, it wasn't till those other factors started wearing off that things got very bad.

 

[sunking101]

And with the 6s+ getting SOLD OUT in a matter of hours..well you know the rest.

It's all those 6+ owners craving RAM and a better GPU...

 

[hutrebug]

I think it all depends on your usage needs, and how much free space the preinstalled operating system eats up.

Some people just don't install plenty of apps, or have a lot of media files in their phones.

If in doubt, get the 64Gb. Or get the 128Gb and pretend it is the 64Gb model with a 64Gb microSD.

 

[oldmacs]

I think it all depends on your usage needs, and how much free space the preinstalled operating system eats up.

Some people just don't install plenty of apps, or have a lot of media files in their phones.

If in doubt, get the 64Gb. Or get the 128Gb and pretend it is the 64Gb model with a 64Gb microSD.

Then Apple should offer 32GB on the base model as it gives the best of both worlds. Those who don't use a lot of storage it doesn't matter, those who can't afford a more expensive phone, it will make a big difference.

 

[pika2000]

If Apple completely stuffed the iPhone up, it would sell for a while more on hype and marketing and being locked into an ecosystem. The same thing happened in the 1990s, Once things started going bad, Apple was still selling well, it wasn't till those other factors started wearing off that things got very bad.

And what's wrong with that? Do you think Apple as a publicly traded company will not react properly when things are going "bad"? Do you think Tim Cook, somebody that has been perfecting Apple's supply chain for sometime, don't know a thing or two about managing a business?

If you think Apple doesn't provide you a good value, then buy something else that does, and wait till Apple offers something that is a good value for you. I did. I didn't think the iPhone was worth it after the iPhone 5 and bought a OnePlus One, and now I will be buying the 6S as I think it's a good value for me.

It's simple really. Buy what you want and be happy.

 

[oldmacs]

And what's wrong with that? Do you think Apple as a publicly traded company will not react properly when things are going "bad"? Do you think Tim Cook, somebody that has been perfecting Apple's supply chain for sometime, don't know a thing or two about managing a business?

If you think Apple doesn't provide you a good value, then buy something else that does, and wait till Apple offers something that is a good value for you. I did. I didn't think the iPhone was worth it after the iPhone 5 and bought a OnePlus One, and now I will be buying the 6S as I think it's a good value for me.

It's simple really. Buy what you want and be happy.

They didn't react in the 1990s, so I wouldn't put it past them.

The simple fact is that apple should offer the best experience, and 1GB of ram in the 6 and 16GB for a 2015 premium smart phone is not the best experience.

Consumers shouldn't be asked to pay more for something that should essentially be standard.

Again, I'm not looking to buy, just concerned for apple getting too arrogant for its own good and cutting corners to the extent that their focus is purely on profits instead of making the best product, to ensure good profits.