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The 2009 (Gainestown) Mac Pro: Everything We Know
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for a 10% increase.. i donno.. guess the longevity of the machine comes into it. and bragging rights!
It's a 16 loaf performance increase.. Haven't you been listening?
hahahahahahahahahahaha. at 20 slices per loaf.. its a powerhouse!
Nah, they're short loaves remember... But it'll still be fast enough to play his favorite porn.
Nah, they're short loaves remember... But it'll still be fast enough to play his favorite porn.
haha "you cannot play this movie beause you did not have SunFlower Seed version 2 installed when made, please buy the latest loaf."
seems pretty rediculous to me.. i just want one without paying anything.. my poor CD
Me too! Apple should just update us all for free on a trade-in!
Wait, what's wrong with me?!?!?! That'd be about as stupid as charging $1000 more than the last model all in one go. <scratches head>
Well, then... we have a chance...
Me too! Apple should just update us all for free on a trade-in!
Wait, what's wrong with me?!?!?! That'd be about as stupid as charging $1000 more than the last model. <scratches head>
Well, then... we have a chance...
you know whose to blame for all of this.....dont you??
because i dont...
premium products come at a premium price, besides, it leaves room for a price decrease next cycle
you know whose to blame for all of this.....dont you??
because i dont...
premium products come at a premium price, besides, it leaves room for a price decrease next cycle
Premium product nothing, these computers aren't worth anywhere near Apple's asking price.
Good luck convincing the zealots on this site that think some special Apple fairy dust gets sprinkled on the components when they're being assembled that somehow increase their value tenfold.
They aren't really premium machines these days. Intel based, so they use the same exact hardware as a PC. The difference, technically speaking, is the firmware. BIOS vs. Apple's proprietary EFI implementation.you know whose to blame for all of this.....dont you??
because i dont...
premium products come at a premium price, besides, it leaves room for a price decrease next cycle
The rest of it is marketing.
No, they aren't anymore.
The '08 was a bargain comparitively speaking, but it seems those days are gone.
They're not problem free either, so the "It just works" is a load of crap. All computers have problems, but some of those experienced in a Mac is purely Apple's need for control.
The Rocherfellers, The Rothchilds, Morgan, Chase, and ten other international banker families. Worst part of that is - if you read their publicly published business plans, memoirs, and objective sheets; they told us 10 years ago they were going to do this. What have they ripped us for now already? 9.6 trillion.
Well at least 31 of the states have recently had the sense to file a rite of 9th & 10th amendment sovereignty against the very criminal federal government.So depending on which state he's in maybe he can keep all 16 loaves after all.
Nanofrog,
What "problems" do they have?
no of course not, but people still pay for it dont they
They aren't really premium machines these days. Intel based, so they use the same exact hardware as a PC. The difference, technically speaking, is the firmware. BIOS vs. Apple's proprietary EFI implementation.
The rest of it is marketing.
No, they aren't anymore.
The '08 was a bargain comparitively speaking, but it seems those days are gone.
and of course the software that is being run on it (OS in this case).
for me it "just works". 99.9% of problems are user related
The Rocherfellers, The Rothchilds, Morgan, Chase, and ten other international banker families. Worst part of that is - if you read their publicly published business plans, memoirs, and objective sheets; they told us 10 years ago they were going to do this. What have they ripped us for now already? 9.6 trillion.
So depending on which state he's in maybe he can keep all 16 loaves after all.
Nanofrog,
What "problems" do they have?
exactly, all of them!!! selfish bastards haha.
Questions before I buy this
I've been reading this thread for a while and its my second time posting here. I'm excited that the new Mac Pros have finally come out, but just before I invest $6,000 in this I just want to know a few things. I understand that the CPUs will adjust processor speeds depending on the task you are performing, but how well does this work in Vista, if at all? I'm a big time gamer who runs a lot of games in Vista, which brings me to this next question. Is it better just to have one graphics card, or is there an advantage in having two or more, even if you are only going to output to one display? Does the Mac Pro take any advantage of this, or would the only reason for getting another graphics card would be to output to another display. Finally, is the software out these days optimized to take advantage of the hardware. Don't get me wrong all these improvements are great but does Leopard or anything really make an effective use out of the system? Thanks guys or gals, for answering these questions.
I've been reading this thread for a while and its my second time posting here. I'm excited that the new Mac Pros have finally come out, but just before I invest $6,000 in this I just want to know a few things. I understand that the CPUs will adjust processor speeds depending on the task you are performing, but how well does this work in Vista, if at all? I'm a big time gamer who runs a lot of games in Vista, which brings me to this next question. Is it better just to have one graphics card, or is there an advantage in having two or more, even if you are only going to output to one display? Does the Mac Pro take any advantage of this, or would the only reason for getting another graphics card would be to output to another display. Finally, is the software out these days optimized to take advantage of the hardware. Don't get me wrong all these improvements are great but does Leopard or anything really make an effective use out of the system? Thanks guys or gals, for answering these questions.
I guess I'm one of the few that sees and understands Apple's product strategy.
The entry level quad core is more affordable and more powerful than the outgoing model. That's great. It has much better memory bandwidth, better memory latency, support for much cheaper memory, hyperthreading, turbo boost, and all the other benefits that come with Nehalem.
Sure it's more expensive than a Dell, but WTF are you considering an Apple for if price is your primary concern?
Is it good value? That's a personal decision that's based not just on computer specs and price but a number of both tangible and in-tangible elements. You can either pay for the Apple experience or not.
The Octo-core machines are priced at an incredible premium, but Intel is charging a premium for these extremely niche processors and chipsets as well. These chips and chipsets are normally reserved for servers that cost upwards of $20K. It's a gift to be able to get this kind of computing power in a desktop machine for a fraction of that. Besides, clearly only someone who is running a business off the back of their workstation where every minute spent waiting for something to encode or render is lost opportunity or wasted money should be considering an octo-core to begin with. These machines are not for farting around with - they belong in high-end studios where time is big money and $5K for a machine like this is peanuts.
My only disappointment is the lack of support for more graphics cards, but hopefully that will come over time and not be limited to an annual event.
It's also important to note that Intel CPU development occurs in two year cycles... with a new architecture every two years and a die-shrink (cost optimization) in-between. Harpertown was the die-shrink (cost optimization) of the Core2 series and as a result cannot be compared in value to Nehalem which is a new architecture. Westmere is coming later this year or early next and will be the 32nm shrink (cost optimization) that will bring Nehalem pricing on par with Harpertown so you can't expect Nehalem pricing at Harpertown levels until at least a year from now. Thus the best value Mac Pro's will always be purchased with the die-shrink version of a processor and those buying ones based on a new architecture cycle will be paying a premium. That's just how it goes.
BTW, to answer someone's earlier question, all Nehalem's support turbo boost and will increase one or two core's CPU speed 133MHz when thermal conditions permit which usually means that one or more cores are idle and there is sufficient cooling to keep the processor within the allowed thermal envelope after increasing the clock on the other cores. This function happens below the OS level so will be supported on both OSX and Windows.
The entry level quad core is more affordable and more powerful than the outgoing model. That's great. It has much better memory bandwidth, better memory latency, support for much cheaper memory, hyperthreading, turbo boost, and all the other benefits that come with Nehalem.
Sure it's more expensive than a Dell, but WTF are you considering an Apple for if price is your primary concern?
Is it good value? That's a personal decision that's based not just on computer specs and price but a number of both tangible and in-tangible elements. You can either pay for the Apple experience or not.
The Octo-core machines are priced at an incredible premium, but Intel is charging a premium for these extremely niche processors and chipsets as well. These chips and chipsets are normally reserved for servers that cost upwards of $20K. It's a gift to be able to get this kind of computing power in a desktop machine for a fraction of that. Besides, clearly only someone who is running a business off the back of their workstation where every minute spent waiting for something to encode or render is lost opportunity or wasted money should be considering an octo-core to begin with. These machines are not for farting around with - they belong in high-end studios where time is big money and $5K for a machine like this is peanuts.
My only disappointment is the lack of support for more graphics cards, but hopefully that will come over time and not be limited to an annual event.
It's also important to note that Intel CPU development occurs in two year cycles... with a new architecture every two years and a die-shrink (cost optimization) in-between. Harpertown was the die-shrink (cost optimization) of the Core2 series and as a result cannot be compared in value to Nehalem which is a new architecture. Westmere is coming later this year or early next and will be the 32nm shrink (cost optimization) that will bring Nehalem pricing on par with Harpertown so you can't expect Nehalem pricing at Harpertown levels until at least a year from now. Thus the best value Mac Pro's will always be purchased with the die-shrink version of a processor and those buying ones based on a new architecture cycle will be paying a premium. That's just how it goes.
BTW, to answer someone's earlier question, all Nehalem's support turbo boost and will increase one or two core's CPU speed 133MHz when thermal conditions permit which usually means that one or more cores are idle and there is sufficient cooling to keep the processor within the allowed thermal envelope after increasing the clock on the other cores. This function happens below the OS level so will be supported on both OSX and Windows.
LOL.
What are you smoking?
You might be able to find individual towns with an unemployment rate of 40%, but on a national scale?
PFFT.
Watch the US unemployment top out at 15-20%.
Most European countries should top at 10-15%, Australia roughly the same.
While it's true that there's a recession going on and it's going to be harsh, remember that it's a "recession" and not "the great depression 2.0".
During TGD, most industrialized nations were around 20-30% unemployment, depending on how you count it (say, insured vs. uninsured).
The really interesting period will be the recovery years, with new fortunes created virtually overnight.
Someone might actually know the answer to that. Not me though.
Sorry.From my tests boot-camp windows can take advantage of this - Mac OS X can NOT. So on the mac side the only reason to get 2 cards is if you wish to run 3 or 4 monitors. Likewise 3 cards will run 5 or 6 - etc.
Snow Leopard will, yes. Applications... Well it depends. LightWave 3D, Maya, Houdini, maxwell Renderer, and a few others scale almost 100% across your procs. Lightwave3D scales the best of any other - great for testing! So rendering in LW3D on 2 cores will be 199.8% faster than rendering on one core. Rendering on 2 virtual cores via hyper-threading, will give you about 150% tho it's been so long since I've rendered on a machine that had HT I could be remembering that wrong.
PhotoShop CS3 and CS4 will see just about no improvement except with a few of it's filters. So expect about a 15% or 20% increase per clock over the the previous Mac Pro rig. Bridge is better and scales on multi-cores very well - expect 50% or 60% increase per clock. Etc etc.
Some more, some less. and more as time goes on but remember not everything CAN BE multi-threaded. Some calculations or full applications just don't make sense to multi-thread so they will be depending the processor's core clock speed plus whatever the boot thingy will do for them.
As it is right now in my toolbox of 100 or more "power apps", about 30% of them will enjoy a noticeable boost from the new hardware. How noticeable depends on how fast you push the app. For example if you're a photographer and you typically edit one image at a time I doubt you'll notice much - maybe you'll save a few minutes a day. OTOH, if you're a photographer who batch process two hundred 24 megapixel images 2 or 3 times a day the new hardware will have you hours with the only downside being that you won't have time to drink as much coffee.
I obviously don't have one of the new macs but from all the intel white papers I've read, what Apple is saying, and my own experiences with my 8-core x5355 Mac Pro I would say that the guess I made above are pretty close!
It depends a LOT on what the individual states do - but if they (we!) do little or nothing it won't be "the great depression 2.0", it will be THE GREAT DEPRESSION TIMES TWO.
I think you're overlooking the sovereignty issue. The bankers are purposely crashing the economy both so that they can scoop up, AND achieve their global government, global monetary system, and some believe their singular global church/religion. They are also professed eugenicists who have vowed to being the world population down to about half a billion from the now 6.5 billion. When you consider all these things and you look at history (both recent IMF type history as well as the likes of Moa, Stalin, and Hitler who these same banker fellows funded!) it's seriously not as rosy as even just a 1930's style depression - (which BTW any astute historian will tell you was also orchestrated by J.P Morgan, Rothchilds, Rockerfeller, and the others.)
There's just more going on than what the corporate news would have you believe. But I hope you're right! I hope I'm delusional and totally wrong! Cuz, if I'm not... well... I can't even think of a film with such an evil plot. Maybe "Defiance" meets "I Am Legend" or something... Shrug. And these banker bozos say they wanna pull this off by the end of 2012.
It depends a LOT on what the individual states do - but if they (we!) do little or nothing it won't be "the great depression 2.0", it will be THE GREAT DEPRESSION TIMES TWO.
I think you're overlooking the sovereignty issue. The bankers are purposely crashing the economy both so that they can scoop up, AND achieve their global government, global monetary system, and some believe their singular global church/religion. They are also professed eugenicists who have vowed to being the world population down to about half a billion from the now 6.5 billion. When you consider all these things and you look at history (both recent IMF type history as well as the likes of Moa, Stalin, and Hitler who these same banker fellows funded!) it's seriously not as rosy as even just a 1930's style depression - (which BTW any astute historian will tell you was also orchestrated by J.P Morgan, Rothchilds, Rockerfeller, and the others.)
There's just more going on than what the corporate news would have you believe. But I hope you're right! I hope I'm delusional and totally wrong! Cuz, if I'm not... well... I can't even think of a film with such an evil plot. Maybe "Defiance" meets "I Am Legend" or something... Shrug. And these banker bozos say they wanna pull this off by the end of 2012.
I wondered where this thread would go after they machines were out. Apparently we talk about Mayan-Antichrist-Bankers now.
GTFO OF MY INTERNET! NAO!
IIRC, they've had problems with PSU's, DOA due to overheated graphics cards, and EFI issues. (Strictly MP issues, no 3rd party peripherals installed by users). I'd expect to see similar issues for Rev. A for the new model.
Other issues depended upon specific uses. The HDD cable for example. Too short to reach the back end of a RAID card, particularly for slots 1 & 2. Misc. small niggles that can severely annoy someone that spent almost $3k on a base model.
OS X is only part of it though, and it can't make up for everything. Especially hardware issues.
Great. It's actually good to hear that some never do have issues.for me it "just works". 99.9% of problems are user related
Granted, many issues are user related, but not all.
As it happens, going by photo's of the '09 model, cooling may be an issue. It appears to only be a single fan in front and rear in the CPU/mem section in a push-pull configuration. At least the potential exists, and it could be noisy. Two of these processors do run on the really warm side.
The rest of the internals seem really cramped. Also not good for cooling.
I am pretty sure nothing is holding you back from buying 4 x 4GB modules for a total of 16GB. Well, except price perhaps.
turbo boost?!
isnt that as old as 286 cpu's ?!
Except we won't get a nifty little button this time.
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