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The 2010 World Cup

capoeirista said:
No thanks. Fabio still has my vote.

Why would Redknapp be better? Because he's English? Having an English manager has won us nothing since the mid 60s.
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Sure, Fabio has an excellent track record but it doesn't mean he is a good manager for England.

IMHO being England manager is more about being able to make a team of these PL players than just trying to make them play better.

Look at the French team. I don't want to sound harsh, and I know England's players haven't skipped training or anything, but trying to "lead" a bunch of über-highly paid players must be the hardest job on the planet.
Many things happen behind closed doors and what has happened with Anelka can happen to any England player, and TBO some Dutch players too... certainly in the past... like Edgar Davids.

Like someone else said, somehow it looked like the England players weren't even too bothered when they lost.

I hope I am wrong (probably am...) but the more experienced players are playing the PL, FA Cup, CL, international games, etc. the harder they are to coach by another coach than his normal team's.
Maybe it is hard to get along with players you usually play against so intensely during a long PL season.
 
capoeirista said:
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Spurs beat Hull City in the final – that means this single trophy outweighs all the others put together. ;)

We want the best man for the job, if he's English (or British) then so much the better and it's a nice plus point, but it's not the be all and end all.

You sometimes hear people say that an English manager would be better because they're more passionate – I don't go along with this. Other nationalities are just as passionate about the game as we are, it's a bit silly to suggest we're superior in this regard.

You also have to remember that we had a national manager who ticks all the passion boxes. For all his faults as a manager – and he had several – one thing that you can't take away from Kevin Keegan is the fact that he's incredibly passionate about the game, and never more so when it comes to England. However, he himself admitted that it wasn't enough, that you need so much more to succeed as a manager at international level.

Finally, I don't know how we can expect any manager – be he English or not – to show pride in the job when it's a quality clearly lacking in the players we have.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
Finally, I don't know how we can expect any manager – be he English or not – to show pride in the job when it's a quality clearly lacking in the players we have.
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It's also worth pointing out that Capello has said on a number of occasions that he has wanted the England job for some time, so I think he is truly motivated. The xenophobes and nationalistic chest-beaters in the press need to realize that that their Italian manager is by no means the weak point in the national team and FA.

I think now is a good time to stick with the manager and allow him to build a new national squad. The "Golden Generation" is essentially finished, Fabio will now perhaps have the chance to remove some of the baggage the England squad carries by bringing in new players who will be more pliable.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
Finally, I don't know how we can expect any manager – be he English or not – to show pride in the job when it's a quality clearly lacking in the players we have.
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Not being able to have pride playing for your country is a sin.

EDIT: looks like it's going to be a Holland vs Brazil 1/4 final.
 
To all fellow English fans:

What are you more upset about? That England only got the the second round or that they looked terrible in the four games they played?

Or, in other words, would you prefer England chose players who were fired up about playing for their country even if they weren't the 'best' English players available?
 
swiftaw said:
To all fellow English fans:

What are you more upset about? That England only got the the second round or that they looked terrible in the four games they played?

Or, in other words, would you prefer England chose players who were fired up about playing for their country even if they weren't the 'best' English players available?
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The fact we looked naff in every game. You can have 1 bad game, fine, I accept that, but 4 in a row?

swiftaw said:
I think he should go. He can claim the players weren't fit, but he picked the squad and the team, if he knew certain players weren't fit he shouldn't have picked them. Also, he showed no ability to switch to a Plan B. Thirdly, if he wants to play 4-4-2 then actually pick wingers, don't shoehorn 4 central midfielders into the 4 spots.
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While some people might want Capello's blood, for the reasons above he has to take a large share of the blame, whether he stays or not, for these reasons. I also (as I said before) think there's more to this John Terry saga than we know about. I think more people supported Terry's discord, but backed down and left him to hang out to dry. If he does stay, it will be interesting to see if he has a clearout.
 
capoeirista said:
This man [Capello] is a far superior manager.
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Totally disagree 1000%. Capello's never really managed a Bournemouth or Portsmouth in his life. Capello started as a manager right at the top. His very first job at Milan was with these players - Marco van Basten, Ruud Gullit, Paolo Maldini, and Franco Baresi, all bankrolled by Berlusconi's millions. And surprise surprise, he was successful. Capello's record is more impressive on paper simply because he's always had far more resources available to him than Redknapp has ever had.

And given the same circumstances is what I'm talking about. National managers can't just go out and buy any top-drawer players they can like Batistuta or Beckham as Capello did at Roma and Real. They have to work with what they have, and sometimes what they have to work with is isn't the best or most motivated. Redknapp is the best at working with what he's got and sometimes performs miracles, even if it's just keeping West Ham from being relegated. Sometimes it's not enough like at Southampton. But give him just a little bit extra and he can take Tottenham from the relegation zone to the Champions League.

No way on earth could Capello have taken Spurs from bottom to top four in just one season without a massive budget like Man City, and actually achieved what Man City wanted instead to prove you don't need a massive budget. No way Capello could have won the FA Cup with a team like Portsmouth.

Everyone's talking about finding new untapped talent for England. I'm saying Redknapp is exactly that. At 63 years old now, yes he's the best new untapped talent England have! :)

And most importantly, he's the *only* manager I ever hear who always enthusiastically taking an active interest in all things about the English national team. He's actually enthusiastic about it. I personally believe he actually dreams of England winning the WC, just like all the supporters do. That's what you want. :)
 
Fizzoid said:
it will be interesting to see if he has a clearout.
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I don't think any manager could avoid it. David James, somewhat ironically given his decent showing, should be among the first to go simply due to his age. Much of the rest of the squad is too old for another World Cup as well. The best thing would be to clear them out now and begin building a largely new squad for the Euros in preparation for the next World Cup.
 
Earlier today I had a bit of a look around a few football forums, blogs and the like, and read comments from a chap who – without it seems a hint of irony – suggested that we sack Capello and replace him with Paul Gascoigne.

Yep.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
Earlier today I had a bit of a look around a few football forums, blogs and the like, and read comments from a chap who – without it seems a hint of irony – suggested that we sack Capello and replace him with Paul Gascoigne.

Yep.
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LOL... well you never know...

Ya know that we have done something similar. Okay... Gazza is in a class of his own regarding "enthusiasm", but we have put inexperienced trainers on the spot in the past, and TBO they haven't done too badly: Frank Rijkaard and Marco van Basten were placed as Holland-boss.. both had no significant experience...
 
Brazil and Holland have gone and ruined my perfect 100% losing streak. :( I like to predict the underdogs but only if I think they have a chance. Alas Slovakia and Chile never really did have a chance and it showed.

I have to say, as brilliant as Brazil are playing, this Brazil/Chile match is quite boring to watch as a contest. A contest really needs to be a contest to be entertaining. Watching balls skills alone is just like watching them practice in the park. Good, but no contest.

Netherlands v Brazil should be a good contest. :)
 
awmazz said:
Capello's record is more impressive on paper simply because he's always had far more resources available to him than Redknapp has ever had.

Redknapp is the best at working with what he's got and sometimes performs miracles, even if it's just keeping West Ham from being relegated. Sometimes it's not enough like at Southampton. But give him just a little bit extra and he can take Tottenham from the relegation zone to the Champions League.

No way on earth could Capello have taken Spurs from bottom to top four in just one season without a massive budget like Man City, and actually achieved what Man City wanted instead to prove you don't need a massive budget.
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Hahahaha! Harry Redknapp working on small budgets? The money he was throwing about at Pompey (£60 mil spent) look what happened to them...

Spurs what £50 mil last season? They were one of the biggest spenders after This 'wheeler-dealer' reputation isn't really deserved.
 
£50 million is one or two players for Capello.

Like I said, give Redknapp just a little extra and he can achieve more. That's why he went to Spurs, to show what he could do if he was given the resources. And he showed it. :)

PS. I never said 'small budgets' anyway, just 'less'.
 
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