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Seriously, could Gazza do any worse than Capello? Because the bar's not set very high now. Would England not even quailfy with someone like Gazza in charge? Or even Joe Blow off the street? :D
 
I'm sorry, but now you're just delusional. There's no way Crouch was going to be the star of the world cup! How could he overshadow the world class strikers there, Villa, Torres, Higuan, Tevez to name just a few... :rolleyes:

Me? Delusional? Thanks!:) (see post 1641) Remember I was one of the few who said England wouldn't reach past the 1/4 finals.

Crouch had something like 17 goals in 18 starts for England. Was it really inconceivable for him to bang a couple away and get the golden boot? Lead scorers (Gonzalo Higuaín and Róbert Vittek) currently on 4 apiece.
 
Although I wouldn't mind for my prediction for the final match to be incorrect and Germany winning the cup instead of Brazil :D
Cheers,

Ahmed

That's the one that counts. My prediction of the Netherlands taking the Cup is still intact as well. Only one of us will still be in it after the quarter final though, so will it be the underdogs? ;)
 
That's the one that counts. My prediction of the Netherlands taking the Cup is still intact as well. Only one of us will still be in it after the quarter final though, so will it be the underdogs? ;)

Hey, cheers mate! :)

But, I am a bit anxious about our game on Friday.... (duh!!) I do believe if we win that, we can go all the way!
 
Alexi Lalas says England isn't world class, can't say I don't agree.

On another note, I can't wait to see Uruguay beat Ghana (assuming the ref will call fouls for Uruguay and Ghana decides not to play dirty).

Brazil vs. Netherlands should be a great game as well!

Really enjoying this years World Cup.
 
Personally, if Chile were Holland today, Brazil would have lost I reckon. Chile made decent holes in Brazil, but didn't have what it takes to capitalize (like the USA did when they went 2-0 up on Brazil in the Confeds Cup final last year). The guys in Orange will. Should be an excellent encounter. :)
 
The Netherlands however we still have not humiliated enough to make up for the Llama in 1990. We need to drub them a few more times to truly put them in their place :D.
Cheers,

Ahmed

Ugghh..... our darkest hour. Sorry... :eek:
I remember that well and I truly hate Rijkaard for that... that was disgusting. :mad:

But.... to be able to get back at (West) Germany after 36 years... that'll be gr8!!
 
Me? Delusional? Thanks!:) (see post 1641) Remember I was one of the few who said England wouldn't reach past the 1/4 finals.

Crouch had something like 17 goals in 18 starts for England. Was it really inconceivable for him to bang a couple away and get the golden boot? Lead scorers (Gonzalo Higuaín and Róbert Vittek) currently on 4 apiece.

4 is already a lot in a WC, and yes it would be quite shocking for Crouch to be the top scorer with england out in the 1/4 finals.
 
MacsRgr8,

Are you worried about the centre-backs? Slovakia got between them during the bit of the match I saw.

Our weakness is there. Yep.
TBO van Bronckhorst (captain, left back) is a weakness too. He has a lot of experience, but is pretty slow.
I am glad Rubinho plays on the left...

OTOH, if Brazil tries to exploit our defence, then our strikers might get that little bit of extra space that van Persie can make use of. Sneijder's passes and Robben's pace can get the better of Brazil's defense... if they give us some space.


Can't wait for it! :)
 
Ah, but if he'd banged in 5 goals we might not have been out :p

Yes you would if it were 4 against Slovenia and 1 against Germany! :p
I just took the huff at the use of the world 'delusional'. Lets just say I'm optimistic! Scotland to qualify for the European Championships.... now that's disillusion! :) FIFA to embrace technology and the FA to admit their own shortcomings... that's utter madness.
 
Redknapp has a reputation for wheeler-dealing but he'll only be able to work with an English talent pool as England manager, and as for working with small resources, he has spent a lot of money at Spurs and Pompey - maybe not top 4 money but a lot of money all the same. He's a good manager, but I'd take Capello over him.

EDIT: This Guardian poll for who should manage England shows just under a third of respondants voting for Capello, 18.9% recommending Redknapp and a laughable 12.5% recommending Beckham! Oh dear.

4 is already a lot in a WC, and yes it would be quite shocking for Crouch to be the top scorer with england out in the 1/4 finals.

Crouch is not a world-class striker, but he's a very good one. I'd slot him in over Heskey any day.
 
It's also worth pointing out that Capello has said on a number of occasions that he has wanted the England job for some time, so I think he is truly motivated. The xenophobes and nationalistic chest-beaters in the press need to realize that that their Italian manager is by no means the weak point in the national team and FA.

I think it's ludicrous to think that a foreign manager wouldn't be motivated as the English team manager. Consider the glory that will go to the next man to lead the English team to a World Cup championship! That guy will be on any top league's list of potential hires for the rest of his life, unless he's caught on top kicking puppies or something.


I have to say, as brilliant as Brazil are playing, this Brazil/Chile match is quite boring to watch as a contest. A contest really needs to be a contest to be entertaining. Watching balls skills alone is just like watching them practice in the park. Good, but no contest.

Dunga has Brazil playing more fundamental soccer than we're used to seeing from them. Apparently many Brazilians have been complaining that they've become boring, but who can argue with the results?


Crouch is not a world-class striker, but he's a very good one. I'd slot him in over Heskey any day.

That would still be kind of fiddling at the margins though, wouldn't it? Was there any game in which it felt like that would have mattered? I'm not sure.

I almost think it would have been better in the long run if England had lost every game in group play and completely crashed out. Then the FA would have no choice but to completely clean house. Instead, too many people will be convinced that only a few changes are needed for 2014.
 
I almost think it would have been better in the long run if England had lost every game in group play and completely crashed out. Then the FA would have no choice but to completely clean house. Instead, too many people will be convinced that only a few changes are needed for 2014.

Well, I think England have little choice but to clean house, unless they intend to play a squad of thirtysomethings at the Euros. As for the FA - they should be sacked en masse, as I said before. If the composition of the FA is the one thing that hasn't changed much over time, and yet results haven't improved, I think that should be evidence enough that the FA need to go as a unit.
 
Redknapp has a reputation for wheeler-dealing but he'll only be able to work with an English talent pool as England manager, and as for working with small resources, he has spent a lot of money at Spurs and Pompey - maybe not top 4 money but a lot of money all the same. He's a good manager, but I'd take Capello over him.

In essence though, the resources and players available to Redknapp as England manager would be far superior than any he's had before, whereas for Capello it's a step down from what he had available at the rich clubs where he made his reputation. Redknapp would love to get his hands on team with a Gerrard and a Rooney and a Lampard and an A Cole and use them to their full potential, as opposed to Capello seeing it as a problem of having no choice but to include these superstar players even if they don't fit into his plan like mis-aligned cogs.

Reknapp would plan around the players, not the other way around. Work with what he's got, as I said. I offer as evidence one Theo Walcott. Doesn't suit Capello's plans and not big enough a name that there's public pressure to include him so he's not even in the squad, but Redknapp would have him *and* play him abd work the plan around his pace etc, just like Wenger does.. The way Thierry Henry was used before Wenger got hold of him for example, fit the plan around the players' strengths not fit the players to the plan.

So the question is can Capello succeed with less than he's used to - obviously now, definitely not.

Can Redknapp succeeed with more than he's used to - I'd say yes. At least give him a go. Just like many people here have said new player talent should be given a go now.

PS. Those berating Redknapp as being a wheeler/dealer to get his success at Pompey and Spurs only because he paid for it is exactly how Capello got his success except on a much larger scale, so I'm not seeing how you can use that argument to justify Capello over Redknapp.


Crouch is not a world-class striker, but he's a very good one. I'd slot him in over Heskey any day.

And which England manager would play him to his strengths? The one who's already bought him, twice, and does exactly that to show his potential to the point where England supporters during the WC were going 'where's Crouch?'. I rest my case, m'lud. ;)

Heskey on the other hand fitted Capello's plan. Crouch didn't. Capello didn't want to change his plan to suit Crouch like Redknapp would have.
 
Well, it seems you're not alone in advocating Redknapp. I still vote for keeping Capello, but Redknapp could very well prove to be a worthy candidate. Let's see what fate the FA, in all its wisdom, has in store for Don Fabio.

Personally I prefer the less hasty approach that US Soccer takes towards appointing managers. US Soccer is by no means my favorite organization, but they stuck with Bob Bradley and he's paid them back with good performances in several tournaments. I can easily see him being around for the next World Cup, by which time he will have had 8 years in the position. Continuity can be good.
 
By the way, my advocacy of Redknapp has nothing to do with my desire to see him leave Tottenham as they were far too close for comfort to Arsenal last season! :D

Actually, that's probably the best endorsement. An Arsenal supporter wanting to see him gone from Spurs because he's too good. ;)



On a positive note, this is the first Dutch team to win all four of their first WC matches on the trot. Statistically, this makes them even better than the '74 and '78 teams that made it all the way to the Final. :)
 
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