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The 2010 World Cup
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But picking them now would give them a chance to prepare from the ground up, rather than being thrown in during a major tournament.
England's qualifying group for Euro 2012 includes Wales, Switzerland, Bulgaria and Montenegro. By no means terrible sides, but still I'd rather play the new players in these games than in the tournament proper....
But picking them now would give them a chance to prepare from the ground up, rather than being thrown in during a major tournament.
England's qualifying group for Euro 2012 includes Wales, Switzerland, Bulgaria and Montenegro. By no means terrible sides, but still I'd rather play the new players in these games than in the tournament proper....
True, but do you not think that Capello's tactics with the players he did have were rather lacking? We keep hearing about how stubborn he is. How true that is I don't know, but he seems intent on getting the players to play to his system, rather than playing to the players strengths.
Then let's find talented young players capable of playing in the system he wants, rather than trying to shoehorn the established players in!
I dunno, this is going to run for a while I think. Whatever happens though, I truly, truly hope that H. Redknapp is not involved in any way, shape or form...
Part of me thinks that with the FA being so in the pocket of the Premiership clubs the England manager is actually pressured to select the so-called Superstars of the top teams rather than the players they really want. It would explain some of the truly bizarre selections that have taken place in recent years.
Yes, 3-0 and 4-2, but the games were nearly two years ago and one year ago. Brasil to counter as Chile flood forwards? Where's colocolo?
Cheers,
OW
Totally agree with you about Heskey and Crouch. I couldn't believe Heskey was in the squad let alone the starting line ups. And Crouch was brough on far, far, far too late every time. Incidentally I thought that was Rooney's best game of the tournament!
There is normally a star player at each World Cup, I thought it would be Messi, Rooney or Crouch, I've been dissapointed with the first two and Crouch wasn't given a chance (I had Crouch as the captain of my fantasy team because I thought he'd be banging in goals.)
I had Crouch in my fanatsy team for the first 2 games as well. I expected him to get more of a chance and we know he can score. He might defy nature and physics, but he CAN score
As for Heskey, what did he achieve this World Cup? Oh yeah, he injured the England captian enough that he couldn't play...
I'm sorry, but now you're just delusional. There's no way Crouch was going to be the star of the world cup! How could he overshadow the world class strikers there, Villa, Torres, Higuan, Tevez to name just a few...
Well, he's scored the same number of goals as Torres
And the same as me, does that make me world class?
If you name 4 good england managers you get pretty much the same names; Alf Ramsey (of course) Bobby Robson, Terry Venables and probably Glen Hoddle.
All 4 have one thing in common; (apart from them all being english) none of them played 442. In fact the last 3 all played 352 and bloody good football. England have never looked good or been close to winning things playing 442, anybody that thinks different is dreaming.
Cappello doesnt play it, yet most of the england team have played it all their youth careers.
If i was the F.A. I would hire Redknapp, Tony Carr and Venables as consultants and let them decide what needs to happen at the F.A. and more importantly.. stick to it.
All 4 have one thing in common; (apart from them all being english) none of them played 442. In fact the last 3 all played 352 and bloody good football. England have never looked good or been close to winning things playing 442, anybody that thinks different is dreaming.
Cappello doesnt play it, yet most of the england team have played it all their youth careers.
If i was the F.A. I would hire Redknapp, Tony Carr and Venables as consultants and let them decide what needs to happen at the F.A. and more importantly.. stick to it.
Guys, I think I've worked out why Sepp Blatter's so against video replays in football!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJHuY_8yz0c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJHuY_8yz0c
what capello system ? england has been playing this tournament the same old 4-4-2 as they did already 12 years ago
4 defenders 2 defensive midfielder 2 wingers and 2 strikers
nothing really new to english players
the problem simply was that some players ignored their actual tactical position over and over again:
Gerrad constantly pulled into the middle and his defensive work was very lacking thus leaving cole alone with covering müller/lahm and özil going over the wing
to make it worse lampard who on the tactical position was there to do defensive work behind gerrard completly ignored that and played as usual behind the strikers
which left gaping holes in the english defense ready to be exploited
all in all it simply showed that the english players were way to inflexible completly unable to play in positions other than those they are used to
the german side easily is the opposite of that:
podolski is a learned central forward who went to the left wing and then left midfield where is putting serious work into the defense
Özil: first professional season at schalke he was mostly used as right midfielder, then at bremen as a left winger, and after diego left as a central offensive midfielder or even striker
Müller: in the first season he was used as Central forward, free role behind strikers, central offensive midfield, left winger ... and now right winger
Schweinsteiger: played winger on the left and right and central offensiv midfield in the past and this last year perhaps the best game speed dictating defensive midfielder at the moment
Khedira: actually also coming from being an attack midfielder the last seasons
simliar things can be said about some defenders and even benched players (Kroos who started his career as a striker and went into the offensive midfield only to be discovered as a defensiv midfielder)
this flexibility simply put them ahead over the english midfield... the english defense is getting way too much flak ... they simply were left alone over and over again.. sure some might be lacking pace but that's less of a problem if they are covering each others correctly...
all in all one can easily say that the english underestimated the german squad quite a bit... after all this german squad was composed of players from the 2008 EURO final, 2009 Under-21 champions, and 2010 championsleague final players ...
after this game though i think pretty much any england fan will trade the result with going out in penalties... having an unconvincing 1-0 against Slovenia as the only high point of the tournament sure doesn't help.... it sure looks like england only avoided a french or italian disaster only by having a more lucky draw in hindsight
edit: if lampard or gerrard would be ignoring tactical orders/positions like yesterday under a trainer like Felix Magath,Jupp Heynkes or Trappatoni they would very likely be doing whole marathons as punishmentaround the training pitch for weeks until their feets start to bleed
4 defenders 2 defensive midfielder 2 wingers and 2 strikers
nothing really new to english players
the problem simply was that some players ignored their actual tactical position over and over again:
Gerrad constantly pulled into the middle and his defensive work was very lacking thus leaving cole alone with covering müller/lahm and özil going over the wing
to make it worse lampard who on the tactical position was there to do defensive work behind gerrard completly ignored that and played as usual behind the strikers
which left gaping holes in the english defense ready to be exploited
all in all it simply showed that the english players were way to inflexible completly unable to play in positions other than those they are used to
the german side easily is the opposite of that:
podolski is a learned central forward who went to the left wing and then left midfield where is putting serious work into the defense
Özil: first professional season at schalke he was mostly used as right midfielder, then at bremen as a left winger, and after diego left as a central offensive midfielder or even striker
Müller: in the first season he was used as Central forward, free role behind strikers, central offensive midfield, left winger ... and now right winger
Schweinsteiger: played winger on the left and right and central offensiv midfield in the past and this last year perhaps the best game speed dictating defensive midfielder at the moment
Khedira: actually also coming from being an attack midfielder the last seasons
simliar things can be said about some defenders and even benched players (Kroos who started his career as a striker and went into the offensive midfield only to be discovered as a defensiv midfielder)
this flexibility simply put them ahead over the english midfield... the english defense is getting way too much flak ... they simply were left alone over and over again.. sure some might be lacking pace but that's less of a problem if they are covering each others correctly...
all in all one can easily say that the english underestimated the german squad quite a bit... after all this german squad was composed of players from the 2008 EURO final, 2009 Under-21 champions, and 2010 championsleague final players ...
after this game though i think pretty much any england fan will trade the result with going out in penalties... having an unconvincing 1-0 against Slovenia as the only high point of the tournament sure doesn't help.... it sure looks like england only avoided a french or italian disaster only by having a more lucky draw in hindsight
edit: if lampard or gerrard would be ignoring tactical orders/positions like yesterday under a trainer like Felix Magath,Jupp Heynkes or Trappatoni they would very likely be doing whole marathons as punishmentaround the training pitch for weeks until their feets start to bleed
In 1998 England definitely were not playing 442, iirc Glen Hoddle was manager England starting line up vs Argentina:
Seaman -
Neville, Adams, Campbell -
Anderton (Batty), Beckham, Ince, Le Saux (Southgate) -
Scholes (Merson) -
Owen, Shearer.
That would have been Venables, although if memory serves he didn't use it during Euro 96.
Anyway, most successful England managers? Alf Ramsey would take top spot due to him actually winning something, but as runner-up here's one that upsets some people – how about that Sven, then?
I think he should go. He can claim the players weren't fit, but he picked the squad and the team, if he knew certain players weren't fit he shouldn't have picked them. Also, he showed no ability to switch to a Plan B. Thirdly, if he wants to play 4-4-2 then actually pick wingers, don't shoehorn 4 central midfielders into the 4 spots.
But mainly, he should go because he views the England job as just that, a job. He is never going to be passionate about England's success or failure. There is a reason that no team has ever won the World Cup with a foreign manager, because it's just a job to them. Note, I am not being Xenophobic, I just think that if you expect the players to be passionate about playing for their country, then you need a manager who is passionate about managing their country.
Look at Maradona, if you want the exact opposite.
I say go with Stuart Pearce. He has passion (certainly) and probably has more experience than Maradona had before being given the manager's role in Argentina.
Can someone explain to me why the only two options are no goal-line technology or goal-line technology??
Why not simply stick a guy on a chair, who's only job is to watch the goal-line, a la tennis?
Why not simply stick a guy on a chair, who's only job is to watch the goal-line, a la tennis?
I'd like to see:
Argentina over Germany
Paraguay over Japan
Spain over Portugal
Netherlands over Slovakia
Brazil over Chile
Uruguay over Ghana
My ultimate final would be Brazil vs Argentina with Argentina for the win. Top three finalists in this order:
1. Argentina
2. Brazil
3. Netherlands
Argentina over Germany
Paraguay over Japan
Spain over Portugal
Netherlands over Slovakia
Brazil over Chile
Uruguay over Ghana
My ultimate final would be Brazil vs Argentina with Argentina for the win. Top three finalists in this order:
1. Argentina
2. Brazil
3. Netherlands
takao,
"...the english defense is getting way too much flak.."
Agree re players doing as they are told, within a few minutes I was shouting at the TV as Gerrard wandered inside, but the goals; the first was the defence - just the basics, the third and fourth were the defence throwing caution to the wind too early - about 25 minutes to go.
Cheers,
OW
"...the english defense is getting way too much flak.."
Agree re players doing as they are told, within a few minutes I was shouting at the TV as Gerrard wandered inside, but the goals; the first was the defence - just the basics, the third and fourth were the defence throwing caution to the wind too early - about 25 minutes to go.
Cheers,
OW
It's all a matter of debate and opinion of course, but – while I rate Robson highly – I'd point to the fact that Sven qualified us for three consecutive tournaments and took us to the last eight in each of them – McClaren and Capello have both demonstrated that's not as simple a task as we'd like to think in this country.
Sven was viewed negatively due to certain tactical inadequacies and (of course) certain aspects of his behaviour off the pitch, but I remember saying on a thread here a few years back that we may come to yearn for the days where we progressed as far as we did under the Swede.
EDIT: Aye, here you go...
Me said: