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I wouldn't mind seeing Wilson win a Super Bowl, just not this year.;)

Same here.

I would also like it if he played for a team that wasn't in the NFC West. Let him belong to and tear up somebody else like the NFC North. The guy is the best version of a QB machine.
 
Wow all of you guys are sleeping on the Niners. They proved yesterday they can go into a hostile environment and play their game. They're most likely will be favorites as the away team against Carolina, and the last time they played, Crabtree was out. The Niners are hitting their stride at the right time. None of that team of destiny stuff, they're simply the best team right now. :cool:
 
Wow all of you guys are sleeping on the Niners. They proved yesterday they can go into a hostile environment and play their game. They're most likely will be favorites as the away team against Carolina, and the last time they played, Crabtree was out. The Niners are hitting their stride at the right time. None of that team of destiny stuff, they're simply the best team right now. :cool:

I could see getting past Carolina but NO or Seattle will be much harder and both those teams actually scare me more than anybody in the AFC except Denver.
 
Wow all of you guys are sleeping on the Niners. They proved yesterday they can go into a hostile environment and play their game. They're most likely will be favorites as the away team against Carolina, and the last time they played, Crabtree was out. The Niners are hitting their stride at the right time. None of that team of destiny stuff, they're simply the best team right now. :cool:

I don't see it. They only scored 23 on a VERY weak packer defense with lots of injuries to compound it. Their saving grace was Kaepernick scrambling for 100+ yards but I don't see that happening against a better defense. They are definitely not the best team, the Seahawks are.
 
I don't see it. They only scored 23 on a VERY weak packer defense with lots of injuries to compound it. Their saving grace was Kaepernick scrambling for 100+ yards but I don't see that happening against a better defense. They are definitely not the best team, the Seahawks are.

I agree that the Seahawks are a better team. That said, the 49ers have been playing great football lately. It wouldn't be a huge upset in my opinion to see them go to the Super Bowl.

I view the Chargers in the same way. They are playing good football and I'm worried about the Broncos playing them for the 3rd time this weekend.
 
I don't see it. They only scored 23 on a VERY weak packer defense with lots of injuries to compound it. Their saving grace was Kaepernick scrambling for 100+ yards but I don't see that happening against a better defense. They are definitely not the best team, the Seahawks are.

I've always been least sold on Kaepernick so I'm inclined to agree with you. Seattle is just significantly better. That being said, it's one game, so who knows?
 
I've always been least sold on Kaepernick so I'm inclined to agree with you. Seattle is just significantly better. That being said, it's one game, so who knows?

Seattle is significantly better than any team right now. But it's still more likely that somebody will beat them. They have to win the divisional game, conference championship, and Super Bowl and while they have a better chance than anybody here, it's still not a given.

That being said I cannot remember a time since the 2007 Patriots that most were on board with any team being on everybody's most likely list to win it all.
 
Seattle is significantly better than any team right now. But it's still more likely that somebody will beat them. They have to win the divisional game, conference championship, and Super Bowl and while they have a better chance than anybody here, it's still not a given.

That being said I cannot remember a time since the 2007 Patriots that most were on board with any team being on everybody's most likely list to win it all.

I think people in general just like Russell Wilson. He's very personable and likable .

That and the Seahawks have been to the SB one time. Heck even Tampa Bay ( the other expansion team ) has won a Super Bowl.
 
I think people in general just like Russell Wilson. He's very personable and likable .

That and the Seahawks have been to the SB one time. Heck even Tampa Bay ( the other expansion team ) has won a Super Bowl.

Everyone loves Wilson except for maybe the city that went 12-4 and still had to be a wild card team. I don't see anybody with a Wilson jersey in norcal. I know he's immensely talented, and only 100 rated QB in first two years of play but can even do more. His baseball skills are such that he can be like Deion Sanders and be on top teams in NFL and MLB.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...ll-wilson-should-seriously-consider-baseball/

But one day we will see a person get a ring in each sport and in the past John Elway (local Stanford Cardinal multiple sport star), Bo Jackson, and Deion were mentioned as strong possibilities. But right now the guy who can do this is Wilson and if he does help a team win the World Series, then I hope it is Wilson in a black and orange Giants uniform. This would make him a hero and at the same time help sell Wilson merchandise in San Francisco. I know an MLB team has already asked him to at least check things out and the Giants are as hungry as anybody to repeat that feeling we got when we won it all. The Giants here are spoiled with two wins in three years and won't accept anything less than winning the MLB west. I know we can't get Tanaka the 160 million pitcher from Japan (as Seattle has the money and NYY can outbid them) but I would take Wilson. The early talk about Wilson in the MLB was evident here in San Francisco but perhaps in other cities, too. Yes, I do like Wilson but not when he's tearing up our defense when he plays us in the NFL.
 

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Everyone loves Wilson except for maybe the city that went 12-4 and still had to be a wild card team. I don't see anybody with a Wilson jersey in norcal. I know he's immensely talented, and only 100 rated QB in first two years of play but can even do more. His baseball skills are such that he can be like Deion Sanders and be on top teams in NFL and MLB.

http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2...ll-wilson-should-seriously-consider-baseball/

But one day we will see a person get a ring in each sport and in the past John Elway (local Stanford Cardinal multiple sport star), Bo Jackson, and Deion were mentioned as strong possibilities. But right now the guy who can do this is Wilson and if he does help a team win the World Series, then I hope it is Wilson in a black and orange Giants uniform. This would make him a hero and at the same time help sell Wilson merchandise in San Francisco. I know an MLB team has already asked him to at least check things out and the Giants are as hungry as anybody to repeat that feeling we got when we won it all. The Giants here are spoiled with two wins in three years and won't accept anything less than winning the MLB west. I know we can't get Tanaka the 160 million pitcher from Japan (as Seattle has the money and NYY can outbid them) but I would take Wilson. The early talk about Wilson in the MLB was evident here in San Francisco but perhaps in other cities, too. Yes, I do like Wilson but not when he's tearing up our defense when he plays us in the NFL.

The Texas Rangers drafted him via rule 5 and he said he would think about it.

Somehow I don't think he would play for the SF Giants.

Know what I mean ?

:p
 
The Texas Rangers drafted him via rule 5 and he said he would think about it.

Somehow I don't think he would play for the SF Giants.

Know what I mean ?

:p

Drafted? He should go for it while he is still young. You can't go into another professional sport late like Jordan and expect anything positive to happen.
 
Seattle is significantly better than any team right now.

I am not so sure. Look at their season:
  • they beat Houston in OT, after coming from way behind
  • struggled a bit at home against a bad Titans team, giving up that ridiculous kick-6 at the half
  • narrowly avoided a Rams comeback win on the last play in St. Louis
  • had to go to OT at home to down TuBerculosis
Granted, they murdered, reamed and sodmized most of the bad teams (looking at you, NOLA), but their excellent record is a little overstated.

Still, this is the post-season, they do well in January (ever so close to stuffing Atlanta last year). If you are afraid, you have good reason to be (looking at you, Tom Brady). As I see it, the only NFC team that has a good shot at them is Carolina.
 
I am not so sure. Look at their season:
  • they beat Houston in OT, after coming from way behind
  • struggled a bit at home against a bad Titans team, giving up that ridiculous kick-6 at the half
  • narrowly avoided a Rams comeback win on the last play in St. Louis
  • had to go to OT at home to down TuBerculosis
Granted, they murdered, reamed and sodmized most of the bad teams (looking at you, NOLA), but their excellent record is a little overstated.

Still, this is the post-season, they do well in January (ever so close to stuffing Atlanta last year). If you are afraid, you have good reason to be (looking at you, Tom Brady). As I see it, the only NFC team that has a good shot at them is Carolina.

After Peyton's breakthrough year the '06 season too many years ago, P Manning and Brady have blown the biggest games so they are not who I am concerned with even though any team can beat any other in the NFL. Heck, look who won it all last year.

It wouldn't surprise me if neither of them made it to the AFC championship game. San Diego has a great QB and have always had him tossing high numbers and the Colts (even sans Peyton) is now really a team. The way they beat KC was astonishing and I give them the momentum baton for this month.

Seattle may have narrow victories, but they are still victories and that says something. The Niners had narrow victories and so did the Patriots and they are both good teams. While the 2013 Seahawks are not the 2007 Patriots or undefeated Dolphins, they have a lot of weapons. After this season is over most of you won't have to worry about Seattle but all of us who love teams in the NFC west will be hating on them for a long time.

I want to see Seattle lose but I have a feeling this postseason is theirs to lose. Seattle is the only team I don't like and sure it's due to being in the NFC west and causing the Niners to hit the road, but it's stupid for people to underestimate Seattle. Some Niners fans think the Seahawks are cheaters, or merely lucky, but I know a good team when I see them, even if it's the one team I don't like.

The only good thing about Seattle is that I don't fear or hate the Cowboys anymore and I have even rooted for them in games in the last three seasons. Those Dallas triplets were really something going 3 for 3 in Super Bowls in just four years but even a team as good as them had to end. That's football.

Here's the latest in odds for the big game.

http://sports-odds.com/nfl/010714-odds-to-win-super-bowl-2014.html
 
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The handicaps for this weekend:

Seattle -8 over NOLA
New England -7 over Indianapolis
SF / Carolina – no line
Denver -9 over SD

(the lines move with the flow of the wagers, so these numbers may change)

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This is kind of lame, on somebody's part
[url=http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap2000000311004/article/marshawn-lynchs-50k-fine-for-media-silence-on-hold]NFL -Dan Hanzus[/url] said:
Marshawn Lynch spent the regular season ducking reporters. The league fined the Seattle Seahawks running back $50,000 for his personal closed-door policy.

Seahawks fans -- showing the loyalty of a 12-year-old golden retriever -- responded to the league's punishment by starting an online campaign to cover the $50,000. On Wednesday, Lynch announced on his Facebook page that he won his appeal of the fine and planned to match the final donation figure and send the funds to a local Seattle charity.

In reality, Lynch isn't quite out of the woods with the NFL. A league source told NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport that Ray Anderson, the NFL's executive vice president of football operations, heard the appeal and decided to hold the $50,000 in abeyance for now after Lynch committed to complying with league policy, and with the understanding that any additional violation will result in the $50,000 being collected, and a minimum fine of $50,000 more being assessed.

Lynch met briefly with reporters during the Seahawks' bye week, behaving in a manner that suggested he'd rather eat glass than converse with strangers holding recording devices.

With $100K hanging in the balance, we expect Lynch to provide a thoughtful and nuanced postgame take on Saturday's divisional-round matchup against the New Orleans Saints.

They should avoid messing with BeastMode, it will only end in tears.
 
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ESPN is reporting that Jay Gruden will be named as the Redskins head coach later today.

Interesting selection, he seems to be a good coordinator, whether he has the acumen to handle the head coach position remains to be seen
 
After Peyton's breakthrough year the '06 season too many years ago, P Manning and Brady have blown the biggest games so they are not who I am concerned with even though any team can beat any other in the NFL. Heck, look who won it all last year.

This is ridiculous. Peyton threw a pick-six on the final drive to lose the Superbowl against the Saints. That's "blowing the game". Brady drove the Patriots offense down the field and scored to give the Pats the lead with under 5 minutes remaining in both of those Super Bowls they lost to the Giants. He put them in position to win the game both times. The Patriots defense blew those games.



I'm not expecting anything from the Pats this year with all the injuries they've had. I'll be watching and cheering no doubt, but this year I'm amazed they even made the playoffs. Any/every game they play from here on out is just bonus.

That said, it's a wide open field this year. I don't see any real favorites in either conference. Yeah, Seattle is good, but they don't have much playoff experience. This will be a huge test for them.
 
This is ridiculous. Peyton threw a pick-six on the final drive to lose the Superbowl against the Saints. That's "blowing the game". Brady drove the Patriots offense down the field and scored to give the Pats the lead with under 5 minutes remaining in both of those Super Bowls they lost to the Giants. He put them in position to win the game both times. The Patriots defense blew those games.



I'm not expecting anything from the Pats this year with all the injuries they've had. I'll be watching and cheering no doubt, but this year I'm amazed they even made the playoffs. Any/every game they play from here on out is just bonus.

That said, it's a wide open field this year. I don't see any real favorites in either conference. Yeah, Seattle is good, but they don't have much playoff experience. This will be a huge test for them.

I think with the high profile loss against the Saints with Peyton (the game most expected to be his second ring) and the two with Brady and the Patriots will weigh heavily on those teams and probably hurt their chances. Between Brady and Peyton, I expect as least one of them to have a total meltdown or loss as hurtful as one of those three unexpected Super Bowl losses and something to be the major headline for the postseason. From 2005 season onward to this moment I can't think of any other QBs who take the title of "almost there" more than Peyton and Tom. Can you?

That being said, if taken the right way, then it could make the Broncos and Pats the hungriest teams in the postseason right now to erase those bad memories. All those bad years the Red Sox had to endure being owned by the Yankees only spurred the winning machine and dynasty they are today.

My Niners had such a dismal 1970s (as bad as anything you can imagine or even worse since you don't live here) that all that failure and embarrassment I and the rest of the Niner fans had to go through was probably what motivated the team into nearly two decades of excellence and five super bowl seasons tossed in between for good measure. Contrast that 1970s to seeing the bay area's Warriors win the NBA, the Raiders post the winningest record in professional sports, and the A's to threepeat a World Series, then you can see how hard it was to endure being a Niners fan that decade. The word "loser" most defined the 49ers of the 1970s but it brewed an angst that was ready to kick ass one day.

What is Peyton or Tom, arguably the best QBs of this generation in terms of stats, going to do with losses in the last Super Bowl they played? Will it motivate them to erase the memory of that loss (and believe me it will) or do they both have monkeys on their back they may never remove?

49er star Jerry Rice who had three Super Bowl victories still cannot get over his last visit to the big game which ended in a loss when he was with heavily favored Oakland Raiders. While most won't remember him for this loss, it's what Jerry remembers the most. Even when you are not on the field, a loss could hurt more than a win feels good. Magic Johnson was more overwhelmed with his front office role in the LA Dodgers and their comeback season more than he was ever with an LA Laker season as a player. To him the Dodgers role he has is much more stressful and a Dodger World Series win would mean more to him than any Lakers championship. From what I gather he didn't give any interviews after the Cardinals took out the Dodgers last year.

I think there's only three truly notable days in a professional sports player's life: first day, last day, and final performance in a championship (if you even get there). For Peyton or Tom's sake, I hope their last Super Bowl appearances, whenever that is, are wins. You don't remember Elway for the first three which were losses, but the two wins which thankfully were at the end pretty much peg him as "two time Super Bowl winner, John Elway".
 
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What is Peyton or Tom, arguably the best QBs of this generation in terms of stats, going to do with losses in the last Super Bowl they played? Will it motivate them to erase the memory of that loss (and believe me it will) or do they both have monkeys on their back they may never remove?

For Peyton or Tom's sake, I hope their last Super Bowl appearances, whenever that is, are wins.

First, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are always motivated.

Football is a team sport. Football is a team sport. Football is a team sport.

Super Bowls are not won or lost alone.

I also am just enjoying it. It's a coaching masterpiece that the Patriots are where they are. You could make a Pro Bowl roster with the players we've lost this year. I expect nothing and will just enjoy it. I'll be satisfied if the rest of the playoffs are as exciting as Wild Card weekend.
 
I also am just enjoying it. It's a coaching masterpiece that the Patriots are where they are. You could make a Pro Bowl roster with the players we've lost this year. I expect nothing and will just enjoy it. I'll be satisfied if the rest of the playoffs are as exciting as Wild Card weekend.

The Pats remaking of themselves is the best I have ever seen with a coach.

Dare I say it, he can take a team like the Browns or Raiders and make playoffs the very next year with his skills. Guys like Walsh and Madden have made heros out of zeros and this year's version is Belichick. Hats off to him.
 
First, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady are always motivated.

Football is a team sport. Football is a team sport. Football is a team sport.

Super Bowls are not won or lost alone.

I also am just enjoying it. It's a coaching masterpiece that the Patriots are where they are. You could make a Pro Bowl roster with the players we've lost this year. I expect nothing and will just enjoy it. I'll be satisfied if the rest of the playoffs are as exciting as Wild Card weekend.

Agreed. Given what has happened this year to the Patriots, I think a strong case could be made for Belichick winning Coach of the Year, however, I think Andy Reid will win it.
 
I think with the high profile loss against the Saints with Peyton (the game most expected to be his second ring) and the two with Brady and the Patriots will weigh heavily on those teams and probably hurt their chances. Between Brady and Peyton, I expect as least one of them to have a total meltdown or loss as hurtful as one of those three unexpected Super Bowl losses and something to be the major headline for the postseason. From 2005 season onward to this moment I can't think of any other QBs who take the title of "almost there" more than Peyton and Tom. Can you?

The past has no bearing on what's going to happen in the games this weekend though.

I think there's only three truly notable days in a professional sports player's life: first day, last day, and final performance in a championship (if you even get there). For Peyton or Tom's sake, I hope their last Super Bowl appearances, whenever that is, are wins. You don't remember Elway for the first three which were losses, but the two wins which thankfully were at the end pretty much peg him as "two time Super Bowl winner, John Elway".

Losses are forgotten. Championships last forever. When all is said and done, we'll remember Peyton's Superbowl win against the Bears more than his loss against the Saints. We'll remember Brady's 3 rings in 4 years, and the 2001 Patriots who were forecast to be one of the worst teams in the league beating the "greatest show on turf" in one of the biggest upsets in history. And we'll remember all the great battles between two of the three or four best QBs to ever play the game.


You put too much stock in the recent past. Both these QBs already have their legacies set in stone.
 
You put too much stock in the recent past. Both these QBs already have their legacies set in stone.

Peyton and Tom both have their great legacies set, and I fully agree. It can also be argued that one or the other are the best overall NFL quarterback in history.

Whether it's the announcers or fans talking about it, if the Broncos or Pats make it to the Super Bowl this year, one of the big talking points will be to get that monkey off the back. I don't know if it's deserved that people have used the word choke when talking about those two QBs, but you can't deny some feel that way. Hey I love the Niners and Kap but I think the Niners offense choked as chokingly as one could choke. ;) I am still not over that one and just when I thought all was well in San Francisco after our second World Series, we were ready to top it all off in the city with a 49ers win. We were used to winning and we were going against a perceived weaker opponent. They had an old over the hille Ray Lewis but they could not possibly contain our offense. They stuffed us!

Part of me thinks Tom should have five rings, and without any argument, and I also think it's quite shocking that somebody with the career numbers of a Peyton Manning only has one Super Bowl. Our very own Jim Plunkett over here has two and many though he was mediocre at best. Sure it's a team sport but the photos show the dejected Tom or Peyton after those unexpected losses.
 
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