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You just answered yourself a bit later hehe, Filipe Luis and Miranda could've been a good option, too bad this was probably their last shot at a world cup at top level since they're 28/29. Fred has been a head scratcher for a while, Is there really no other '9' in brazil? Diego Costa might've been a good choice no?

i'm not sure if either Miranda or Luis could have added the class necessary to play a 2 man central midfield vs a 3 man midfield consisting of Khedira, Schweinsteiger and Kroos

Fernandihno had an absolute shocking game ... 2 losses led to straight goals for Germany. And he was very often 5+ meters away from the german players. Totally outplayed.

Also Khedira played a brilliant first half with him storming/pressing forward in the first half (because Schweinsteiger covered Oscar single handed and there was no other threat through the center). When he was closed down by Gustavo, space opened up for Özil, Kroos and Müller.

After receiving the first goal the brazilians attacked in absolutely naive "Hallelujah" fashion simply for the fact that they were amped up too much. All the "Neymar is with us" theatrics , the crying,the praying, the extreme singing of the hymn, always playing the emotional cards.

David Luiz as the captain should have tried to calm his squad down, remind them of their concentration, get the team to play some save & slower 10-15 minutes. Instead he went charging up the field like a madmen with total disregard for defense.

I hope RM have really signed Kroos, he's a great player, but i'm not sure if Khedira is staying, either he or di maria will be going most likely :(.

2 goals, 1 assists and also set up the plays for another 2 goals. Well deserved Man of the Match.

In the 6 games the german squad has played 4000 passes. (1000 more than Brazil)
 

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Seems Barca have nabbed Suarez for £58m (cash apparently) with an announcement pending, and the contract might include a biting clause (hilarious).

It's a profit for LFC but why do I feel it's kind of low. But I guess £70-80m was never going to happen anyway.

Wonder who will replace him or attempt to replace him rather. So Markovic/Lallana and Sterling on the wings, Can/Gerrard and Henderson in the middle, Coutinho in the hole behind Sturridge/Lambert is what I'm guessing the lineup will be next season.

Meanwhile Alexis Sanchez looks to be following Debuchy to the Emirates for £28m. Wenger himself is confident that it's a formality at this point. But a similar thing happened with Higuain so you never know with AFC. Liverpool fans meanwhile not pleased

Bayern also confirm Mandzukic is off to Athleti. Seems like Athleti won't miss Costa too much. Is pretty much a like for like replacement.
 
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David Luiz as the captain should have tried to calm his squad down, remind them of their concentration, get the team to play some save & slower 10-15 minutes. Instead he went charging up the field like a madmen with total disregard for defense.

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Gustavo was ready for the German with the ball, Luiz decides he is going to charge out and win it back, but instead he ends up taking out his teammate. Loco.

Cheers,
OW
 
Someone send me this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=RLZUKqpXYzU

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Löw did summarise it quiet well "we knew, their defense is often unorganized when they move back - they have done so in other games - and we knew that we should build up on that."

On the possible 8:0, even though Özil did not make that goal, for me he looked better (or at least not disturbing and faulty) than in the rest of the match (even doing an assist in favour of doing it himself), that you don't notice someone in the rest of the match might not be bad, he might just have done some stabilising work off the cameras.
(I also heard the pundits somewhere say, that he has become better in the France game).

On tweeties question, why there is a medial "fatwa" on Özil.

I don't think it is because he is a Turk. Especially when you look how many journalists with turkish background work for the ARD (and daughter channel Tagesschau24 and Phoenix) and even are newspresenters. (I don't watch the private news channels, so I don't know). Well, ok, one could think this is an alibi or misunderstood political correctness.

I could imagine though, that the "BILD" gossip paper trys to play with the feelings of dumb people that buy this paper.
For conservative or pseudo-intellectual newspapers like "Die Zeit" or "Die Welt", it might just be that these people that are not interested in football the rest of the year, want to talk about something that they feel is a hot topic now and it is more a habit than an actual effort to investigate something.

You know these papers always advertise a colourful nation and like to talk about projects with immigrants or about immigrants that made it in society and on the other side they like to bitch about the schools in Berlin-Neu-Köln or formerly Kreuzberg, that are 100% turkish or arabic/moslem/balkan and are reported to have a high crime rate and such stuff. So Özil might be an excuse for the media to be allowed to bitch about Turks (or it speaks out an deeply inherited, but buried subjective discomfort), but being politically correct at the same time, because you can say it is actually football they are talking about or a german nationalteam player and not a Turk.

But then again, though I have tried to find indicators/evidence, I think it is not, because he is a Turk. Remember Scheinsteiger or Höwedes (and now Mertesacker a bit) have been the target once, too.
Also, on ZDf or ARD, I also heard them recite statistics in favour of Özil and then asking "why do we notice him so less?" (since you say, they only take statistics that go against him).

2010, Özil was topic in the press, because he (and the "other immigrants", without Klose) didn't sing the anthem. You can ask, why they picked him, since the others don't do it as well. Maybe, because he just appears the most noticeable. He somehow appears like a weed smoking Turkish schoolboy everytime (still at this age) and the lazy way he talks doesn't help either, I think.
Look at Boateng, he appears so German, or better say, fully Berlin-boy-like, that you are not even aware about the Ghana story, if they don't remind you everytime, when they try to hype the "battle of the brothers" (-> Kevin Prince Boateng).
Klose got booed 2012 in Poland, because he sings the anthem and then excused, that he just lives so long here, that he considers himself and feels german. To make piece with the polish press he said, he goes fishing in Poland sometimes. Podolski is loved on both sides, because he is the easy uneducated boy, that doesn't forget to always mention that he loves his grandma and Poland and often visits them and he makes fun (often unwilingly of himself).
The press could also have picked Khedira, but he is just too good and also impressed people with his fast recovery. Press loves that, because you can make a story about it and people already love him.
So: is it because Özil is türkish? Maybe in some parts of the press, but I would not think, that it is the only reason. I guess it is also not only the playing mistakes, but the way he acts. Even Kroos, he is sometimes a quiet person, appears strong inside.
If we can believe the media and what statements they pick, with the anthem topic in 2010 there were Türkish journalists, born or at least gone to school here, who said something like, they don't understand, why it is such a big deal, to sing along and aside of that the values in the text are not something one can't agree about. But of course, that is the intellectual elite. I guess.

It would be intersting to have an ear on the Turkish community on twitter and facebook, what they think about Özil.

Puuuuh.

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On the match again. Yes, Brazil was unorganized and Germany did play well (or do what they can), but some situations went out in favour of Germany (like-wise), too.
I mean, where Müller trys to shoot and doesn't get it and at the end of the line is Kroos and puts it in. What, if Müller had shot this? (It would at least have come nearer to, where the keeper was at the moment).
Then Schürrles last goal, luck that it didn't get over the box?
Then one other goal through the legs of a brazilian defender. Was the technique and timing at that moment really that good, that Khedira knew, it would go through the legs? I think when he shot, the Brazilian player wasn't allready there and crossed the ball's way, then, but had his legs spread at the wrong time (how that sounds :rolleyes:). You know, what I mean.

I had tipped for 4:1, I was expecting Brazil to make mistakes especially in the defense, but that was... - without words. Wish it would have been 8:0, though, really not wanting to be mean on Brazil.
 
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:eek: :D

Not to be misunderstood: I don't think his harsh criticism comes from being a Turk. Of course not. But I do wonder if it would be as harsh as let's say Götze who was playing much worse thus far yet receiving very little notice. Some, but not nearly as much as the bashing Mesut had to receive.

Wish it would have been 8:0, though, really not wanting to be mean on Brazil.

lol :D

Mesut should have bagged the last one.
 
Ah, ok, I understand. Hm, good question re Götze. Maybe it really has to do with the attitude they show as a person.

I just saw the goals again on Phoenix and a thought came to my mind: what if NED had played Brazil, yesterday. I am about to imagine, that it may have turned out similar.
 
The only down side that terrible kit, I expect German sides to wear white.

Agreed. I miss the green away shirts. Very classy. I'm not even a fan of Die Mannschaft but I'd cop one of those.

Brazil vastly overhyped from the beginning, being the host nation and all, but the averageness of too much of their squad finally caught up with them. Scolari could have done much better with his squad selection, but I don't think it would have made much difference in the end.

At least David Luiz will be partnering again with Thiago Silva at PSG. They looked great together. Subtract Silva, however, and it all falls apart.

Kroos to Real — an embarrassment of riches in that midfield. Khedira is predictably on the auction block, but they're a bit mad for flogging Di Maria as well, who was only their best player on the pitch in the Champions League final and has had a solid WC for Argentina. I wouldn't mind seeing him at United at all.
 
Expecting a goal from RVP today. He's been nonexistent for much of this tourney, but I have a feeling he'll contribute today. Not sure it'll be enough though.
 
A tight match so far. Argentina slightly better but the Dutch are defending well. Argentina are getting physically bossed by the Dutch a bit.

Wonder if Mascherano can see the game out after that (probable) concussion.
 
In the first half I thought it might be the aftermath from yesterdays game that the game seemed a little dull. Now I think this game is actually pretty boring. 2 Teams playing it safe and cancelling each other out. Extra time should not be in interest for any of the two Teams considering that germany didn't really had to go the extramile yesterday (literally) and the one day extra Pause might just mean the difference on sunday.
 
Glad I didn't bother sitting down for it. Had a feeling it would be a cagey one.

EDIT: GER vs ARG it is. Mascherano man of the match. Followed by Romero.
 
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It's been one of the better WC tournaments I've witnessed, excluding the knockout stages. Too many ET/PK deciders for my taste.

Hopefully Germany lift the trophy. Since they're the only European prospect left.

That, and they have 3 Arsenal players in their squad. ;)
 
A fairly dull match...Messi and Robben were both subdued - classic case of teams canceling each other out. RVP was quiet once again. The Dutch were stronger in defense, Argentina bit better in the attack but nether side really looked like scoring. van Gaal's plan, whatever it was this time, didn't quite work out. Perhaps he should not have used his last sub on Huntelaar so Krul could come for the PKs?

Surely Germany are strong favorites but I would not be sorry to see Messi win a World Cup. That would be twisting the knife for Brazil, though.

I hate penalties. Maxi Rodriguez's winning PK demonstrated why it's always good to smash it - the keeper got a hand too it but it was struck hard and went in anyway.

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Seems Barca have nabbed Suarez for £58m (cash apparently) with an announcement pending, and the contract might include a biting clause (hilarious).

If true, that figure probably reflects the fact that Barca are the only bidder and were thus able to dictate terms. £58m is a huge wad of cash, but Liverpool have already spent that much on Lambert, Can, Lallana and Markovic. There will be no marquee name coming in it seems. I wouldn't mid Kroos or Di Maria...but those are not Moneyball signings. Hmm, Di Maria on one flank and Sterling on the other....

The biting clause is a good idea.
 
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Brazil still have the tools to win their game - but they need to defend!! And probably man-mark Robben.

For some reason I think Germany will be happier to face Argentina than the Netherlands. Argentina need to find a way to free Messi from the attentions of his markers - without him they won't score.
 
Well both feet back on the ground.

Last night if I had been a neutral I would have turned off the boring match. Both sides looked like they were not really having a good day, no ideas, and no passion. Neither team really deserved the win, and the penalties were just painful to watch.

One very ordinary team that got to dream a big dream, but when something more was needed nothing.

The only plus was I did like the Netherlands kit.:cool:
 
Well both feet back on the ground.

Last night if I had been a neutral I would have turned off the boring match. Both sides looked like they were not really having a good day, no ideas, and no passion. Neither team really deserved the win, and the penalties were just painful to watch.

One very ordinary team that got to dream a big dream, but when something more was needed nothing.

i wouldn't call it a game without passion but with Robben and Messi being neutralized by both defensive line ups, it showed how both teams really depend on their Superstars.

Vlaar (apart of the penalty) and Mascherano had massive games.

If anybodybody really was dissapointing it was Wesley Sneijder. A mere shadow of the player from 4 years ago.

Higuain and van Persie received no good passes close to the box and thus them being invisble is understandable.

The only plus was I did like the Netherlands kit.:cool:

well that is too harsh IMHO ... from the outside the NL continues to bring forward fantastic players for the size of their country consistently.

Austria's last time at the world cup was 1998 ... the last time we made it through the first group phase was 1982 ... and the last & only semi final was 1954 (loosing 1:6 vs Germany ... luckily not the highest loss in a semi-final anymore ;))

losing a semi final at the world cup in a penalty shootout is heartbreaking but it still is a tremendous success.
Not every country can be like Brazil or Germany where the semi final is considered the minimum. (the german players don't even get a bonus for making in the knockout phase, only for reaching quartel finals)
 
RVP did not have a great match, but why wait to you have just one sub left to replace him, thus closing the door on another Krul appearance? Did Huntelaar justify the move? Why didn't he take a PK?

Surprised that Sneijder didn't bury his pen.

He gambled on de Jong - Messi - and he didn't last, something happened re Martins Indi - replaced at half time, and he tried to win before penalties - Huntelaar - but it didn't work out. The latter wasn't in the 4 Netherlands takers v Costa Rica; who was fifth?. Who were the 2 players who didn't fancy taking the first penalty, Robben and Sneijder? Was one of them Huntelaar? Starting Krul helps re subs, but did LvG consider Cillessen's sweeping and ability with his feet worth the risk? Only he can answer.

Cheers,
OW
 
Not every country can be like Brazil or Germany where the semi final is considered the minimum. (the german players don't even get a bonus for making in the knockout phase, only for reaching quartel finals)

You might add Italy and Argentina to the list of the perennial greats. But apart from that, every other nation out there has to regard a semifinal appearance as a huge success.

He gambled on de Jong - Messi - and he didn't last, something happened re Martins Indi - replaced at half time, and he tried to win before penalties - Huntelaar - but it didn't work out. The latter wasn't in the 4 Netherlands takers v Costa Rica; who was fifth?. Who were the 2 players who didn't fancy taking the first penalty, Robben and Sneijder? Was one of them Huntelaar? Starting Krul helps re subs, but did LvG consider Cillessen's sweeping and ability with his feet worth the risk? Only he can answer.

Cheers,
OW

The match reports suggest that Indi was yanked over fears he'd get sent off for persistent fouling. de Jong was never going to go the distance, and RVP was ill. Cillessen was probably left in, as you say, in order to accommodate Huntelaar in the hope of winning the match outright before penalties. The story of the refusal of two players to take spot kicks is interesting. Wonder who they are? Kuyt's penalty was excellent again. He made as if to go to the left as he did against Costa Rica, and then stroked the ball leisurely to the right.

The funny thing was, both teams genuinely tried to win it before extra time and before penalties, but they just couldn't get through the defenses.

LvG couldn't resist stroking his own ego at the last, claiming that he taught Argentina's keeper (who played under him at AZ) how to save penalties. Right, Louis. right. :rolleyes:

So, apparently the only person who can beat Louis van Gaal is....Louis van Gaal.
 
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He gambled on de Jong - Messi - and he didn't last, something happened re Martins Indi - replaced at half time, and he tried to win before penalties - Huntelaar - but it didn't work out. The latter wasn't in the 4 Netherlands takers v Costa Rica; who was fifth?. Who were the 2 players who didn't fancy taking the first penalty, Robben and Sneijder? Was one of them Huntelaar? Starting Krul helps re subs, but did LvG consider Cillessen's sweeping and ability with his feet worth the risk? Only he can answer.

Cheers,
OW

Indi got a yc, didn't he? Think it was precaution re second card. Krul worked out re element of surprise against CRC but Argentina is that more experienced and a second time wouldn't work half as good anyway. Not sure if Krul got extremely lucky that day, anticipated every single shot. But I blame it mostly on CRC players being incredible nervous due to his nice and humble attitude.

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So, apparently the only person who can beat Louis van Gaal is....Louis van Gaal.

True. Was the conclusion of TV pundit Mehmet Scholl yesterday too. He took over tactics changing them every single game hence destroying what started out as a great campaign.
 
I thought that the Netherlands would win last night, but van Gaal put too much energy into containing Messi which absolutely nullified their own forwards. The Dutch had the better of the second half, particularly once Clasie came on for De Jong, but still didn't have the courage to go for it. A criminal waste of Sneijder, Robben and Judas, who are probably the second best attacking line-up in the tournament.

Van Gaal has taken a team which put five past Spain a month ago, and turned them into a side which scored a single non-penalty in the last five and a half hours of football. Man United are welcome to him.

It could be a cracking final. The Argentinian defence is gelling nicely, and if they can soak up the pressure then it could be rope-a-dope time for Messi on the break. Early Neuer red card, perhaps? Alternatively Demichelis could have a Lulz-type mental breakdown and get sent off, and Germany will cruise to a comfortable win.

On the other hand it might be complete pants, of course.

First win for Germany?
Heh. I love the German annexation of West Germany's World Cup heritage.

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he tried to win before penalties - Huntelaar - but it didn't work out. The latter wasn't in the 4 Netherlands takers v Costa Rica; who was fifth?. Who were the 2 players who didn't fancy taking the first penalty, Robben and Sneijder? Was one of them Huntelaar?
I can't imagine why an established penalty taker would be unwilling to take the first kick; I also can't imagine that Robben/Sneijder/Kuyt/Huntelaar would refuse to do so if asked. But that only leaves the possibility of van Gaal wanting his weakest taker to go first!

The order vs Costa Rica was Judas; Robben; Sneijder; Kuyt. Huntelaar was presumably the fifth.

Last night it was Vlaar, followed by the same 2/3/4 as above.

Seems weird that Huntelaar didn't take a kick in either shoot out, when he's prepared to take them during the match itself.

The other five outfield players were all 22-24 years old so it's understandable that they soiling themselves, but Wijnaldum regularly takes penalties for PSV so he must have been one of the 'cowards'.
 
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