Totally agree. If Mane can keep getting better, you guys will have no issues keeping pace with the best in England. What your budget like next year? Also don’t ever count a Klopp team out.
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Totally agree. If Mane can keep getting better, you guys will have no issues keeping pace with the best in England. What your budget like next year? Also don’t ever count a Klopp team out.
A champions league winning team should not be a one man team.
Real Madrid have the better balanced team and deserved the win.
As for Liverpool’s goalkeeper - he’s played his last game for the team? He was absolutely shocking!
Real Madrid have the better balanced team and deserved the win.
As for Liverpool’s goalkeeper - he’s played his last game for the team? He was absolutely shocking!
Yep you need a complete team to win. I think Liverpool are building that.
Sorry to see Liverpool lose, very sorry to see Salah taken out in such a way (and no, Ramos has previous, and, as a consequence, I am disinclined to subscribe to the 'innocent accident' theory), Bale was outstanding, and the less said about Liverpool's goalie, the better,
Ramos does not history of trying to injury players. He is not dirty. He is very physical, and everyone knows he doesn’t stay level headed. He was not head hunting, so let’s just stop that garbage now.
When physical becomes very physical - and leads to a potentially serious injury - and 'not staying level headed' - well, perhaps, perspectives differ, but, in northern Europe, she of us have a less benign view of this action.
Soccer is not rugby after all, but I do think that there was an element of seeking to take out Liverpool's best and most creatively gifted player by means that finessed that porous boundary between fair and foul.
Liverpool lost the match, but they showed they are not a one-man team tonight. Real needed two goalkeeping errors and a word class strike to win today. Credit to them for winning, but Liverpool played a good match after losing their best player. 2-1 is hardly a blowout, and if Karius hadn’t practically thrown into his own net it could have gone to PKs.
Despite their wealth, Liverpool will never be able to compete with likes of Real or The Manchester clubs. But Klopp has them punching above their weight. An Arsenal supporting friend watched the match with me and he 1) laughed at my abject misery and 2) said ‘don’t worry, only three teams in the world are allowed to win the Champions League anymore’.
Liverpool had the better play while he was on the field, after he was off, things changed. Indicative of Liverpool overly depending on one player.
The game result was 3-1, not 2-1, which often is referred to as a ‘thrashing’!
Mind you, for this game, that would be a bit harsh!
The game result was 3-1, not 2-1, which often is referred to as a ‘thrashing’!
Mind you, for this game, that would be a bit harsh!
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If you think Real did that on purpose, you know nothing about them. They don’t do thinks like that. Your grasping for straws on this.
Real were the better team on the night. I freely admit that. But this:
It’s still heartbreaking for Liverpool and, more importantly, for Egypt. A bit of gamesmanship on Ramos’s part changed everything for one team and one nation. I’m not saying he deliberately injured Salah, but in that moment he didn’t care what happened as long as it stopped his opponent. Enjoy your third champions league in a row - probably no other team will - but spare a thought for everyone else in the footballing world. I was hoping to see Salah in the World Cup, and at the moment it’s not looking good for him.
It’s still heartbreaking for Liverpool and, more importantly, for Egypt. A bit of gamesmanship on Ramos’s part changed everything for one team and one nation. I’m not saying he deliberately injured Salah, but in that moment he didn’t care what happened as long as it stopped his opponent. Enjoy your third champions league in a row - probably no other team will - but spare a thought for everyone else in the footballing world. I was hoping to see Salah in the World Cup, and at the moment it’s not looking good for him.
Liverpool had the better play while he was on the field, after he was off, things changed. Indicative of Liverpool overly depending on one player.
The game result was 3-1, not 2-1, which often is referred to as a ‘thrashing’!
Bale became the best player on pitch.
Read my post about Salah. If he misses the WC, we all suffer. He is a great talent. I really do feel bad for him.
That said, Ramos went in hard and was taking Salah down. Yep it was stupid, but there was no intent on destroy Salah for Real to win. If that were the case, they would have been head hunting since the quarters when we faced an attach of PSG that is equal but most likely better than Liverpool’s. We didn’t need to take Salah out to win tonight.
I know I am in the minor here, and I am talking to a bunch of EPL fans, but honestly. Real is not in the business of taking guys out. Zidane is not that type of person. Ramos is careless, but he isn’t dirty.
Also making remarks as if we are lucky. Come on. I get it’s tough. I really do, but don’t try to take away win by saying the other team was just lucky. You think Real won’t have scored more had they needed it?
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I'm happy for Bale tonight - I think many (not all) Real fans have given him a lot of unfair criticism, and he proved himself world-class tonight, just has he did for Spurs before he moved to Madrid.
From a completely selfish standpoint, I hope the rumored move to Man Utd does not come to pass. I'd love to see him go back to Spurs actually (though they would never meet his wage demands). Great player.
Interesting also to see both Bale and Crispy Ronaldo (who Liverpool, kept pretty quiet, by the by) after the match both effectively saying 'goodbye Real'. I guess there is nothing left to win now.
Real are winners, no disputing that. They were the better team today. But if I were a Real fan I'd feel at least a tiny bit sheepish about the way the match played out.
I have no time for Ramos, though. He's a world-class player in terms of skill, no doubt, but also a very dirty one. He didn't want to hurt Salah, I'll grant that, but he recklessly, deliberately fouled him and that is almost as bad. His red card record speaks for itself - and there is simply no arguing with that. If we can't call him a dirty player, I don't know who is. Enjoy the trophies, well done. Give me Pujol and Piqué any day over him, though. He's the Spanish John Terry (speaking of which - oh dear, it was lovely to see "Brave John Terry" and his sad little face today after the match against Fulham - fair play to the Cottagers, I will be happy to see them in the Prem next season, though Villa and Grealish played a good match).
As for Zidane, his managerial career consists of being handed the best players on the planet. He has done very well with them. I wonder how he would do in charge of Atleti, Seville, or (cliché alert) Stoke. We will never know (and, to be fair, the same goes for Guardiola).
From a completely selfish standpoint, I hope the rumored move to Man Utd does not come to pass. I'd love to see him go back to Spurs actually (though they would never meet his wage demands). Great player.
Interesting also to see both Bale and Crispy Ronaldo (who Liverpool, kept pretty quiet, by the by) after the match both effectively saying 'goodbye Real'. I guess there is nothing left to win now.
Real are winners, no disputing that. They were the better team today. But if I were a Real fan I'd feel at least a tiny bit sheepish about the way the match played out.
I have no time for Ramos, though. He's a world-class player in terms of skill, no doubt, but also a very dirty one. He didn't want to hurt Salah, I'll grant that, but he recklessly, deliberately fouled him and that is almost as bad. His red card record speaks for itself - and there is simply no arguing with that. If we can't call him a dirty player, I don't know who is. Enjoy the trophies, well done. Give me Pujol and Piqué any day over him, though. He's the Spanish John Terry (speaking of which - oh dear, it was lovely to see "Brave John Terry" and his sad little face today after the match against Fulham - fair play to the Cottagers, I will be happy to see them in the Prem next season, though Villa and Grealish played a good match).
As for Zidane, his managerial career consists of being handed the best players on the planet. He has done very well with them. I wonder how he would do in charge of Atleti, Seville, or (cliché alert) Stoke. We will never know (and, to be fair, the same goes for Guardiola).
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Both Bale and Ronaldo saying goodbye to Real? Think not.
As for Ramos, we will agree to disagree. He is world class, but not dirty. A dirty player is Pepe. How many times do you see players hard tackle? Sure they don’t mean to hurt anyone, but they sure want to get a message across.
Taking shots at our coaches and players doesn’t really change much. We can play the I wonder if game for a lot of people, but it takes talent to win trophies. Zidane didn’t just randomly get 3. Yes he has great players, maybe some of the best, but how many said this team wasn’t good anymore? They needed something different? Zidane said, no I am good. He was right.
Klopp didn’t exactly go to talentless team. I will give you they got to a place no one saw, but look at their road to the final. Not exactly the one Real went through. Also they haven’t won the league yet under Klopp. Coaching is a bit relative. Why hasn’t Klopp gotten that big team? Don’t get me wrong, I think he’s a really good coach. These giant teams don’t just hire bums off the street to manage their teams. They have to be good.
Jesu Cristo, don't get me started on Pepe. Top three dirtiest player of the post-2000s.
As for Zidane - as you said, we can agree to disagree - I don;t think anyone with a shred of credibility claimed his team "wasn't good anymore". Zizou got handed the best squad in the world on a platter (honestly, which squad is better?), and won with them. He was an epic player, possibly top ten in history. But what did Zidane do today as a manager? Send on Bale? Tony Pulis or Neil Warnock would have done the same, that's a no-brainer. He might be a great coach, but until he leaves Real we won't know for sure. Avram Grant and Roberto Di Matteo Won the Champions League with top-notch squads and did squat with average teams later.
Really? You live in America right? ESPN FC has been saying for the past 6 months this team wasn’t good enough anymore. Fox sports as well. I could go on.
Who’s better? Well you know that Barcelona? They were pretty loaded this year. Man City? They seemed pretty sacked. Neither of those teams were able to win the big game were they? Also if I remember correctly to richest teams right now are in the EPL.
I know it’s the easy thing to hate on Real, but they sure weren’t winning CLs under other managers. 4 years ago it was pretty much this same team. Did Zidane just throw out some players and just say have fun today? Did they just decide to change formation when Bale came on themselves? I am so tired of this take that he knows nothing about tactics. He seems to out coach the best managers in the world with bigger budgets then his.
A picture paints a thousand words. That is not a defender going for the ball. That's a dirty player at best taking out a more skilful player from the attack or at worst trying to take him out of the game.
Not even a card.
We will never know what would have happened had he stayed on the pitch. But I think we all agree Liverpool (and Egypt) are a better team with him rather than without.
I think it would have been an exciting game if Salah had have stayed on. I think we were robbed of seeing that. Liverpool coped well and can hold their heads high in hindsight, but that idiotic challenge lost us the game. I don’t know if the intention was to injure or not, but I do think the game plan was to go hard on Salah to at least put him off. That would be any teams strategy. Ramos is just an idiot though, a great player but lacking in the head department and went in far too recklessly.
I have seen plenty of my Man Utd supporting mates taking to social media to stick the knife in. Obviously forgetting they got nowhere near the final. This is why I tend not to discuss football online and rarely participate in this thread. I found out many years ago it was fruitless. It’s not a gentleman’s game with respect sadly, and not technical enough to attract level discussion. You guys are a refreshing change though.
Well not being a supporter of any club that ever even gets to think about the CL, let alone the final does give you the rather sensible neutral point of view rather than the passionate, one sided point of view!I think it would have been an exciting game if Salah had have stayed on. I think we were robbed of seeing that. Liverpool coped well and can hold their heads high in hindsight, but that idiotic challenge lost us the game. I don’t know if the intention was to injure or not, but I do think the game plan was to go hard on Salah to at least put him off. That would be any teams strategy. Ramos is just an idiot though, a great player but lacking in the head department and went in far too recklessly.
I have seen plenty of my Man Utd supporting mates taking to social media to stick the knife in. Obviously forgetting they got nowhere near the final. This is why I tend not to discuss football online and rarely participate in this thread. I found out many years ago it was fruitless. It’s not a gentleman’s game with respect sadly, and not technical enough to attract level discussion. You guys are a refreshing change though.
I will say this again, I do realize that I may be the only person here that wasn’t cheering for Liverpool and am fighting an uphill battle.
I will give you that it should have been a yellow. It was clearly a rough tackle. Again there was no intent on Salah. Real didn’t need to remove Salah to win the game. Remember, there had been no goals scored to that point. Also think about who we had played before this match to get there. We played PSG in the France and didn’t need to take out Neymar or Mbappe to win that game. Acting as if Real needed Salah gone to win this game is just stretching, and it doesn’t really look good. Looks like there are a bunch of people crying.
I know most of you guys don’t pay attention to La Liga, but a few weeks back Real and Barcelona played. There were some really nasty tackles, and one you probably will never hear about. A revenge tackle from none other than Messi on Ramos. Could have injured him, but didn’t. No one cared because who was it, Messi. He can’t do anything wrong. Remember, this stuff is all perspective. Had Liverpool injured Ronaldo, we wouldn’t be here discussing it. Also don’t here too much about Carvajal either. That was our best FB defensively, and gone shortly after Salah.
I do believe Liverpool were good enough to win last night had Salah not gone off. That was the turning point in the game for us. It can’t be changed and this is football so I wouldn’t get bitter over it. Gifting 2 goals away was shocking and I hope that’s his last game in a Liverpool shirt personally. The whole event was an anti climax in the end for me and being English I’ve learned that’s the norm in football lol.
I just have to unsubscribe from Wales Online now to avoid the Bale celebrations now.
I just have to unsubscribe from Wales Online now to avoid the Bale celebrations now.
Not Salah personally no. I fancied him to score a couple of goals though and think he would have done. It would have been a better match all round rather than damage limitation and relying solely on Mane after that. I do think it’ll give us a boost going into the off season though. We can’t afford to dwell on the events last night too long. We’ve got the best team in years and it’s been an awesome season and champions league.
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