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I'm stunned that Maradona was only 60.

He's lived enough lifetimes' worth of adventures for anyone aged 90+!!

Gifted, flawed, hated, loved.

There'll be much raging debate now over his legacy...was he the greatest of all time? Was he simply a cheat with great skill? Do we overlook his obvious flaws and terrible life choices?
I find him hard to love, as an England fan...the Hand of God lives long in the memory.

The full picture (I've taken the liberty of quoting @Lord Blackadder's excellent post below, with which I agree completely) is more nuanced.

Was he "simply a cheat with great skill", or an outrageously talented and gifted footballer who also happened to be a cheat?

A more complex, and fairer (and fuller) picture of Maradona (man and player) would refer to both that astounding goal scored against England - an exhibition of the sort of insanely surreal and skilful brilliance one normally only sees, or dreams about, in football in fantasy - and the Hand of God goal, both of which occurred in the same match.

To be fair to the man, - and his memory - it is important to acknowledge that he could do both: Score one of the most spectacular goals ever scored in a competitive match - one where it mattered (too many so-called "greats" can score scintillating stuff against minnows, but cannot deliver footballing artistry - and accuracy, and composure and unnerving skin - at the top level, when playing a game where the outcome matters against credible opposition) and cheat, shamelessly, with a knowing snigger.

The thing is - and this is where one can question choices he made - is that, once successful in his chosen field, he never seemed capable of outgrowing his background, or transcending it, and becoming even greater than the world that moulded him, as a man, as a flawed character and as a fearsomely talented footballer.
I completely agree.

I don't believe you'll ever see something like this written about Pele:

"He was a racist, he cheated, he used heavy amounts of drugs and alcohol, and he was violent and abusive. No amount of talent on a football pitch should make us overlook the kind of person he was off the pitch."

True, but @Lord Blackadder in his excellent post below, sketches out the context and background (some of which was also covered in an obituary piece in today's Guardian) that gave rise to Maradona.

In that sort of environment, in the minds of many who came from such places, where everything is stacked against you from birth, playing by the Queensbury Rules - and subscribing to the notion of "fair play" - is for those who wrote these rules (whom they are assumed to benefit), not for those who excavate - or manufacture - advantage in clever and opportunistic - and sometimes unscrupulous - play.
Maradona was emblematic of fútbol criollo, the unique style of football developed in South America that emphasized individual artistry and dash - and was not above cheating when opportunities presented themselves.

The creative, subversive nature of fútbol criollo was a cultural counterpunch against The Man as represented by the European colonial footballing powers' staid and industrialized ideas of teamwork and 'fair play'.

While Europe had its creative players from the very beginning, South American football elevated the role and character of the gifted individual into a key facet of the game, without which football today would be unrecognizable.

If one man ever captured all of the qualities we associate with fútbol criollo, that man was "El Diego" Maradona.



I think claims for the "best" player are really impossible to evaluate, because players played in different eras and prior to the latter half of the 20th century there is little to no footage to compare. For example, many credible observiers who watched both Garrincha and Pele play claim the former was a better player. The only record we have of Matthias Sindelar on the pitch are a few newsreel scraps. In contrast, modern players' entire careers are documented on video.

The closest I think we can get to an evaluation is to declare a player "one of the best players ever" and Maradona certainly qualifies for that.
Excellent post.
 
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Maradona was emblematic of fútbol criollo, the unique style of football developed in South America that emphasized individual artistry and dash - and was not above cheating when opportunities presented themselves.

The creative, subversive nature of fútbol criollo was a cultural counterpunch against The Man as represented by the European colonial footballing powers' staid and industrialized ideas of teamwork and 'fair play'.

While Europe had its creative players from the very beginning, South American football elevated the role and character of the gifted individual into a key facet of the game, without which football today would be unrecognizable.

If one man ever captured all of the qualities we associate with fútbol criollo, that man was Diego Maradona.



I think claims for the "best" player are really impossible to evaluate, because players played in different eras and prior to the latter half of the 20th century there is little to no footage to compare. For example, many credible observiers who watched both Garrincha and Pele play claim the former was a better player. The only record we have of Matthias Sindelar on the pitch are a few newsreel scraps. In contrast, modern players' entire careers are documented on video.

The closest I think we can get to an evaluation is to declare a player "one of the best players ever" and Maradona certainly qualifies for that.
He’s certainly up there. My completely neutral unbiased list of all time greats includes

Bobby Moore
Geoff Hurst
Billy Bonds
Trevor Brookin (@Scepticalscribe’s favourite)
Alvin Martin
Tony Cottee
Julian Dicks
Paulo Di Cano
Mark Noble

I think I got away with my unbiased list!
 
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A dreadful first half from Liverpool against Atalanta, who have not been very good either but won't need to be to win this. Klopp's men are down 1-0 after an hour and I don't see where a goal is coming from based on the performance.

Klopp has sent in the cavalry, i.e. Diogo Jota. Perhaps he can rescue this?

EDIT: Nope. Not a must-win match, and with a changed side, but plenty disappointing all the same.
 
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A dreadful first half from Liverpool against Atalanta, who have not been very good either but won't need to be to win this. Klopp's men are down 1-0 after an hour and I don't see where a goal is coming from based on the performance.

Klopp has sent in the cavalry, i.e. Diogo Jota. Perhaps he can rescue this?

EDIT: Nope. Not a must-win match, and with a changed side, but plenty disappointing all the same.
Two well-taken goals by Atalanta though...but the Atalanta players shouldn't have gotten that far into the offensive third, if you're a Liverpool fan.

Personally, I thought Sadio Mane had an OK game, but looked like he lacked any real conviction in the final third, which is what used to frustrate me when he was at Saints.
 
Two well-taken goals by Atalanta though...but the Atalanta players shouldn't have gotten that far into the offensive third, if you're a Liverpool fan.

Personally, I thought Sadio Mane had an OK game, but looked like he lacked any real conviction in the final third, which is what used to frustrate me when he was at Saints.
It was a B team from the midfield back, so I am not surprised Liverpool conceded. But I would have expected some goals from the front three.
 
Good win for the Arsenal this Morning/Evening/Afternoon

Well, yes, but:

A heretical thought comes to mind: At one level, to be perfectly candid, I would far prefer if Arsenal were not in Europe (not exposed to the distractions of the Europa Cup, at any rate, the Champions' League is different).

I cannot see them winning the competition, - which, in that competition, is really the only thing that matters, as it earns you a CL plan the following season, and domestically, they have far too much to do by way of remedial action, and actually blending and bonding (and performing) as a team focussed on some common goals, to want to be distracted by the demands of a competition that means little, but which serves to draw time, and attention and resources away from what really counts.
 
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Well, yes, but:

A heretical thought comes to mind: At one level, I would prefer if Arsenal were not in Europe (not exposed to the distractions of the Europa Cup, at any rate, the Champions' League is different).

I cannot see them winning the competition, - which, in that competition, is really the only thing that matters, as it earns you a CL plan the following season, and domestically, they have far too much to do by way of remedial action, and actually blending and bonding (and performing) as a team focussed on some common goals, to want to be distracted by the demands of a competition that means little,but which serves to draw time, and attention and resources away from what really counts.
From a competitive standpoint Arsenal would absolutely be better off if they were not in the Europa League. I am not sure the money is worth it either, even during the pandemic. It might be.

As I've said before, for teams with CL ambitions the Europa League is a waste of time unless you win it - which is tougher to do than just finishing fourth in the PL.
 
From a competitive standpoint Arsenal would absolutely be better off if they were not in the Europa League. I am not sure the money is worth it either, even during the pandemic. It might be.

As I've said before, for teams with CL ambitions the Europa League is a waste of time unless you win it - which is tougher to do than just finishing fourth in the PL.

Absolutely agreed.
 
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I love Klopp.

That post game interview was mind boggling.

@Lord Blackadder you will have to explain to me what exactly it was that he was mad about. Because I , and the broadcast team, thought he was going to be mad about something else...


Wait:

This cleared it up.
 
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Columbus' squad has come down with a total of seven cases of COVID ahead of their crucial Easter Conference against Nashville. Starting goalkeeper Eloy Room is one of them; I believe five of the rest are reserve players but not sure about the seventh.

It's the worst possible moment for this. We don't lose a lot of starters but the keeper is a big miss in what is a winnable match. Should we be even having these matches as COVID cases soar?

I love Klopp.

That post game interview was mind boggling.

@Lord Blackadder you will have to explain to me what exactly it was that he was mad about. Because I , and the broadcast team, thought he was going to be mad about something else...


Wait:

This cleared it up.

Klopp had just come off a frustrating draw that hinged on a few calls and had lost yet another important player to injury. He was out of temper and popped off unnecessarily. Not a great look for Klopp, of course, but at the end of the day these so-called "bizarre" "rants" by managers help pay the bills at places like BT so, meh.

It's not a great result for Liverpool, who are again struggling a bit to score. This season is going to be a grind for every team, which favors the underdogs and dark horses. A good season for the neutral in that sense, though the overall quality of performances is suffering and the continual game-changing VAR interventions, while they've become the new normal, are not getting any less annoying.
 
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Columbus' squad has come down with a total of seven cases of COVID ahead of their crucial Easter Conference against Nashville. Starting goalkeeper Eloy Room is one of them; I believe five of the rest are reserve players but not sure about the seventh.

It's the worst possible moment for this. We don't lose a lot of starters but the keeper is a big miss in what is a winnable match. Should we be even having these matches as COVID cases soar?



Klopp had just come off a frustrating draw that hinged on a few calls and had lost yet another important player to injury. He was out of temper and popped off unnecessarily. Not a great look for Klopp, of course, but at the end of the day these so-called "bizarre" "rants" by managers help pay the bills at places like BT so, meh.

It's not a great result for Liverpool, who are again struggling a bit to score. This season is going to be a grind for every team, which favors the underdogs and dark horses. A good season for the neutral in that sense, though the overall quality of performances is suffering and the continual game-changing VAR interventions, while they've become the new normal, are not getting any less annoying.
A. We're going to kick the "poop emoticon" out of the Crew. :p ;)


B. Yeah, I get his frustration.
 
Well Jose 'parked the bus'. Took us back to the top of the table.

Did not concede a goal to one of the most dangerous teams in the EPL.

I think COVID-19 may well be the best chance Spurs have to win the league. If you have no fans in the stadium baying for blood (and open attacking play) as a manager you can do whatever you want.

Its not pretty but Spurs sit at the top today.
 
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Amazing how playing an experienced, proper number nine who makes intelligent runs and is a deadly finisher can make your team look better. If Cavani is fit, Cavani should start. Young Mason would do well to watch and learn.
 
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Awful clash of heads (Raul Jimenez and David Luiz) at Arsenal vs Wolves; Jimenez, who was treated on the pitch, and didn't appear to move, was taken straight to hospital, while Luiz, inexplicably, has been allowed to continue to play, despite both a bandaged head, and the fact that he is still clearly bleeding through the bandage.

To my mind, he should be substituted (and treated), and, while that may happen at half-time, I think it should happen now; delayed concussion could well be an issue, and any head injury has the potential to be exceptionally serious and - as research seems to show - the growing possibility - if not increasing likelihood - to come with unfortunate long term consequences. That was a sickening clash of heads.

At the moment, Wolves lead by two goals to one.

Earlier, Spurs and Chelsea drew 0-0.
 
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Awful clash of heads (Raul Jimenez and David Luiz) at Arsenal vs Wolves; Jimenez, who was treated on the pitch, and didn't appear to move, was taken straight to hospital, while Luiz, inexplicably, has been allowed to continue to play, despite both a bandaged head, and the fact that he is still clearly bleeding through the bandage.

To my mind, he should be substituted (and treated), and, while that may happen at had-time, I think it should happen now; delayed concussion could well be an issue, and any head injury has the potential to be exceptionally serious and - as research seems to show - the growing possibility - if not increasing likelihood - to come with unfortunate long term consequences. That was a sickening clash of heads.

At the moment, Wolves lead by two goals to one.

Earlier, Spurs and Chelsea drew 0-0.
Didn’t see it but sounds nasty. But if this bad run continues at Arsenal I can’t see your manager lasting.
 
And Saints have thrown another promising lead away by conceding 3 goals in the second half against Man U.

Defence looked shaky from the off and the two goals that gave us our lead were largely against the run of play (but that free kick from JWP was another masterclass in set-plays), so we were probably lucky to be up, if I am honest.

I'd really like to see some additional players added to the roster in January - we have little depth and when the players get gassed (as the high-press, high-energy game tends to sap the energy from the players after an hour) we could potentially have some ready-made super-subs. But...no. Looks like our Chairman is not keen on investment.
 
Awful clash of heads (Raul Jimenez and David Luiz) at Arsenal vs Wolves; Jimenez, who was treated on the pitch, and didn't appear to move, was taken straight to hospital, while Luiz, inexplicably, has been allowed to continue to play, despite both a bandaged head, and the fact that he is still clearly bleeding through the bandage.

To my mind, he should be substituted (and treated), and, while that may happen at had-time, I think it should happen now; delayed concussion could well be an issue, and any head injury has the potential to be exceptionally serious and - as research seems to show - the growing possibility - if not increasing likelihood - to come with unfortunate long term consequences. That was a sickening clash of heads.

At the moment, Wolves lead by two goals to one.

Earlier, Spurs and Chelsea drew 0-0.

My thoughts exactly.

@Lord Blackadder - Congrats to the Crew!
 
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Quite a day yesterday. First Romain Grosjean, then Luiz remaining on the pitch. And to add, we played awfully, no...?

Arteta needs to 'fix' this quickly. Do we need to put Auba back on the left? What is the answer...
 
My thoughts exactly.

@Lord Blackadder - Congrats to the Crew!

It was a tough, cagey match between two well-organized defenses. Columbus did a good job of protecting their backup keeper (though Tarbell did make a couple saves when required) but both teams created some decent chances in regular time and it could have gone either way. Columbus' firepower up front eventually made the difference. Zelarayan has had a few injury problems but he is proving a good signing, and with Santos and Zardes in attendance there is plenty of creativity up top. Our finishing could be better, but this is MLS, not the PL.

Reaching a conference semifinal is a good season by any standards, even more so for an inaugural season, so I think Nashville fans have a lot to be pleased about.

Quite a day yesterday. First Romain Grosjean, then Luiz remaining on the pitch. And to add, we played awfully, no...?

Arteta needs to 'fix' this quickly. Do we need to put Auba back on the left? What is the answer...

Not to take it too far OT, but there is a lesson there from F1. They introduced an initially unpopular safely device - the halo - and it just saved one of their drivers from almost certain grisly death. Nobody is arguing about the halo now.

Meanwhile, the Premier League is dragging its feet over head injury substitutions - something rugby successfully introduced a while ago now. VAR is far more disruptive to the flow of the game than a temporary head injury substitution would be, and yet VAR is here and here to stay.
 
That was unbelievable the car snapped in half and the fuel tank which should have been part of the drivers protective cage burst into flames maybe due to ruptured fuel lines or hot batteries. Still the guy walked away with only burns to his hands. Love the sport or hate it the technological advances they make sometimes filter down to out every day road cars and make us all safer. Except Jeremy Clarkson's complaints about 'flappy paddle' gearboxes of course!
 
And Saints have thrown another promising lead away by conceding 3 goals in the second half against Man U.

Defence looked shaky from the off and the two goals that gave us our lead were largely against the run of play (but that free kick from JWP was another masterclass in set-plays), so we were probably lucky to be up, if I am honest.

I'd really like to see some additional players added to the roster in January - we have little depth and when the players get gassed (as the high-press, high-energy game tends to sap the energy from the players after an hour) we could potentially have some ready-made super-subs. But...no. Looks like our Chairman is not keen on investment.

Agreed, United always looked like the team in control of the match, except for that 10-15 minute spell in the first half.

Overall I have been very impressed with the progress Soton has made. It's going to be hard for a club of their size and position to add enough depth to take the next step forward, especially with Covid causing a big drop in revenues that smaller clubs are less equipped to weather.

It's clear that Danny Ings is sorely missed — how long is he out for?

In other news, Edinson Cavani may be in hot water for using a Spanish form of the n-word in an Instagram DM to someone who appears to be a personal friend or family member. While it looks pretty clear there was no malignant intent, he will no doubt get a ban.
 
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