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Super six? Surly you can’t be counting Liverpool then. You’ve only won the Premier League as many times as Blackburn and Leicester.

I think the Big Six, to the extent that the term has any meaning, is defined primarily by ambition coupled with finances, rather than by trophies won since Sky invented football. Otherwise Spurs and even Arsenal wouldn't be in there either...

I also don't think the next six biggest clubs would be any more egalitarian or sustainable in their behavior if they were on top of the pile. It's a systemic issue with the game above all.

Ouch! The banter is flying thick and heavy in here today.

Love or hate City and Liverpool, but that was a top class match. Even Chelsea is not at the level of those two teams, at least not yet.

I'm just on repeat about United here: the central midfield is awful, Ole makes weird substitutions, they should never be dropping points at home to an Everton squad missing DCL and Richarlison, etc. etc. After this international break, the schedule only gets harder.

Chelsea are not as good but might be just as effective. We'll see, though they're in a mini blip right now. Definitely some tough matches ahead for Man Utd. Though maybe not as tough as some suggest. Spurs and Leicester are not in great form right now, so those threats are probably less than they might seem on paper. A mediocre performance plus the obligatory Ronaldo goal might be enough to win both. Atalanta and 'Pool should prove much more difficult, however.
 
I think the Big Six, to the extent that the term has any meaning, is defined primarily by ambition coupled with finances, rather than by trophies won since Sky invented football. Otherwise Spurs and even Arsenal wouldn't be in there either...

I also don't think the next six biggest clubs would be any more egalitarian or sustainable in their behavior if they were on top of the pile. It's a systemic issue with the game above all.



Chelsea are not as good but might be just as effective. We'll see, though they're in a mini blip right now. Definitely some tough matches ahead for Man Utd. Though maybe not as tough as some suggest. Spurs and Leicester are not in great form right now, so those threats are probably less than they might seem on paper. A mediocre performance plus the obligatory Ronaldo goal might be enough to win both. Atalanta and 'Pool should prove much more difficult, however.
Just messing with you. ;) Big six is a myth in my opinion. Clubs come and go. I think if there is a separate group of clubs at the top, big three or four is more realistic. Spurs and Arsenal haven’t been title contenders for a good while.
But I would suggest plenty of clubs handled themselves better than the greedy six did last season. There greed was obvious for all to see. That’s why there was such a backlash (and rightly so).
 
Just messing with you. ;) Big six is a myth in my opinion. Clubs come and go. I think if there is a separate group of clubs at the top, big three or four is more realistic. Spurs and Arsenal haven’t been title contenders for a good while.

Right now it's really a big three/four, especially if/when Man Utd hire a proven manager. But Man City and Chelsea are clear at the top of the four in terms of wealth, because they are neither trying to make money nor are they dependent on income. Petro/State Clubs > Hedge Fund Clubs.

But I would suggest plenty of clubs handled themselves better than the greedy six did last season. There greed was obvious for all to see. That’s why there was such a backlash (and rightly so).
Yes and no. Call me cynical, but ruling yourself out of something you weren't invited to in the first place could be genuinely taking a stand, or it could just be putting the boot in and getting some good PR in the bargain. I don't really trust any of the owners in the Premier League when it comes to building towards a more sustainable, fan-driven sport.

In Liverpool's case, FSG have been fairly good about listening to the fans when they screw up - BUT they are dangerously close to screwing up too often.

Also, lower league fans look up at clubs like West Ham and Leicester and see them as fat-cat bullies in the same way West Ham fans might look askance at so-called Big Six clubs. From the perspective of the Premier League we might see Leicester's success as a real feel-good story, but some lower league fans gripe that they just got rich sugar daddy owners who bought their way up to the top. Other clubs at still lower levels, like Crawley Town a while back, have been similarly accused of financial doping. So the system is rotten from top to bottom, really. And that is because it's largely self-regulated.
 
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Right now it's really a big three/four, especially if/when Man Utd hire a proven manager. But Man City and Chelsea are clear at the top of the four in terms of wealth, because they are neither trying to make money nor are they dependent on income. Petro/State Clubs > Hedge Fund Clubs.


Yes and no. Call me cynical, but ruling yourself out of something you weren't invited to in the first place could be genuinely taking a stand, or it could just be putting the boot in and getting some good PR in the bargain. I don't really trust any of the owners in the Premier League when it comes to building towards a more sustainable, fan-driven sport.

In Liverpool's case, FSG have been fairly good about listening to the fans when they screw up - BUT they are dangerously close to screwing up too often.

Also, lower league fans look up at clubs like West Ham and Leicester and see them as fat-cat bullies in the same way West Ham fans might look askance at so-called Big Six clubs. From the perspective of the Premier League we might see Leicester's success as a real feel-good story, but some lower league fans gripe that they just got rich sugar daddy owners who bought their way up to the top. Other clubs at still lower levels, like Crawley Town a while back, have been similarly accused of financial doping. So the system is rotten from top to bottom, really. And that is because it's largely self-regulated.
I think Derby are the ones looking at all us rich clubs! I heard Wayne Rooney was paying for the team coach out of his own money.
None of us can say who was or wasn’t invited to join the greedy six. I’d imagine others may have had discussions and decided it wasn’t for them.
But as I have said, any league where the greedy six are guaranteed a spot for x years is fundamentally wrong. The English league system (which feeds into the European spots) is based on a pyramid. Any club given enough time and money can rise to the top (or fall to the bottom!). Look at Leeds. How many years did it take them to get back into the top flight? They were quarter (or was it semi) finalists in Europe before that. Imagine if they had been guaranteed a spot at that point? It wouldn’t have been right.
 
Ouch! The banter is flying thick and heavy in here today.

Love or hate City and Liverpool, but that was a top class match. Even Chelsea is not at the level of those two teams, at least not yet.

I'm just on repeat about United here: the central midfield is awful, Ole makes weird substitutions, they should never be dropping points at home to an Everton squad missing DCL and Richarlison, etc. etc. After this international break, the schedule only gets harder.
My son, Man U fan, said the same things.
 
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UP THE OWLS... if only to see how we throw this one away...
 
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Good to see Fort William have picked up a point this season.
They've also picked up a solid 9 goals, which would lead me to believe they may have a new striker!
Big clash tomorrow against Strathspey Thistle. 'Mon the Fort!
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And damn! How far has Brechin City has fallen?!?!



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Wednesday needed 93 minutes to beat Mansfield!

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The Glazers are sucking more money out of Man Utd, selling shares worth half a Neymar or so and dumping the proceeds into their pockets.

Costs a lot to 'keep up with the Glazers' I guess.

In other news, a lower-league Brazilian footballer has been charged with attempted murder after twice kicking a referee in the head - leaving him unconscious - after being whistled for a foul in a match. The referee has, fortunately, been released from hospital.

Absolutely crazy.
 
@Apple fanboy might need to start including Newcastle United on his bad-list of clubs, with the Saudi takeover now looking increasingly likely....

We are moving gradually towards a model where the only clubs capable of winning the Premier League are going to be those owned by entire nation states. o_O:(

Apparently the league are being 'assured' that the Saudi state itself will not be involved. I can tell you right now that that is a lie.
 
@Apple fanboy might need to start including Newcastle United on his bad-list of clubs, with the Saudi takeover now looking increasingly likely....

We are moving gradually towards a model where the only clubs capable of winning the Premier League are going to be those owned by entire nation states. o_O:(

Apparently the league are being 'assured' that the Saudi state itself will not be involved. I can tell you right now that that is a lie.
Only if they try to join a breakaway league where you don’t have to earn your right to be there. Otherwise I have no love lose for Newcastle. Lived there for a few years. During Kevin Keegan’s reign. So close…
 
In other news, a lower-league Brazilian footballer has been charged with attempted murder after twice kicking a referee in the head - leaving him unconscious - after being whistled for a foul in a match. The referee has, fortunately, been released from hospital.

Absolutely crazy.
I saw that video on Reddit - absolutely disgusting and the guy deserves whatever he gets in the Brazilian justice system (I use the word justice loosely - we are likely to never see him again).
 
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@Apple fanboy might need to start including Newcastle United on his bad-list of clubs, with the Saudi takeover now looking increasingly likely....

We are moving gradually towards a model where the only clubs capable of winning the Premier League are going to be those owned by entire nation states. o_O:(

Apparently the league are being 'assured' that the Saudi state itself will not be involved. I can tell you right now that that is a lie.
I'm hoping that an unscrupulous middle-eastern oil baron comes in and buys Saints from our equally unscrupulous, but empty-pocketed Chinese owner.
I'd like to see us become the next BIG SIX club to join the big 12 or 18 clubs that are backed by blood money and start competing for everything.

Surely it's got to be better than constantly worrying about relegation...I mean, it's not like they infringe on my human rights, right?
 
@Apple fanboy might need to start including Newcastle United on his bad-list of clubs, with the Saudi takeover now looking increasingly likely....

We are moving gradually towards a model where the only clubs capable of winning the Premier League are going to be those owned by entire nation states. o_O:(

Apparently the league are being 'assured' that the Saudi state itself will not be involved. I can tell you right now that that is a lie.

How is it only an issue when it’s Newcastle?
Man City have won titles as a division of the UAE. This boat sailed years ago.

The 14 year nightmare is almost over and it feels glorious.
 
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@Apple fanboy might need to start including Newcastle United on his bad-list of clubs, with the Saudi takeover now looking increasingly likely....

We are moving gradually towards a model where the only clubs capable of winning the Premier League are going to be those owned by entire nation states. o_O:(

Apparently the league are being 'assured' that the Saudi state itself will not be involved. I can tell you right now that that is a lie.

Completely agree with you.
 
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How is it only an issue when it’s Newcastle?
Man City have won titles as a division of the UAE. This boat sailed years ago.

The 14 year nightmare is almost over and it feels glorious.
It’s an issue whenever it happens. I sympathize with Newcastle fans over Ashley, a dreadful owner and from what I can tell a terrible human being. if I were a Newcastle fan I’d be hugely relieved to see the back of Ashley, and hopeful that the club's future brings better fan-owner relationships and success on the pitch.

I don't want to make this too heavy, but football fans (in my opinion) aren't just spectators but custodians of grassroots institutions. Owners come and go, but fans remain.

And from that perspective, as David Conn points out, there are many reasons to be very suspicious and even downcast about this change in ownership. Depending on how you slice it, it's an absolute monarchy or dictatorship with a backwards and highly theocratic legal system, and an appalling human rights record. Seeing (a very few, to be fair) Newcastle fans waving Saudi Arabian flags in the streets is a very short-sighted, and frankly distasteful, sight.

Newcastle fans claim that nobody has the right to criticize them because they've had a raw deal for decades and ‘Everyone’s doing it now, why can’t we?’. But this is bigger than Newcastle. It doesn’t make the terrible ownership models that are increasingly ruining the game OK. We have to call it out every time it happens or the game is lost to this new paradigm. The raw deal part for Newcastle fans is true, but it is also true that the fans are welcoming ownership by Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund (PIF), chaired by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. If I were a Newcastle fan I would be very suspicious of this group and I would be extremely suspicious of their claims that the Saudi government will have no involvement with or control over how their club is run. The PIF and the government are inextricably linked through the persons involved in both.

We constantly hold players, managers, and owners to account. The fans have a responsibility too. I have limited my monetary outlay on Liverpool because I am suspicious of FSG. Had they gone into the Super League I would have stopped supporting the team as long as it operated under that model. I spend more on Columbus because they are a smaller club and (apart from the recent awful logo affair) I have decided to reward them for their running of the club.

If I were a Newcastle fan I would, again, be hopeful, but not optimistic, and I would not be buying merch and tickets.

We as fans need to see ourselves as in this together, regardless of club affiliation. Otherwise we can never complain when owners arbitrarily act against our interests and either run clubs into the ground, price us out of the game, or turn our sporting institutions into national propaganda tools.

I hope all my suspicions about Newcastle's new owners turn out to be wrong. I hope the Toon Army are on the verge of a new bright period in the club's history. But there are genuine reasons to be very concerned.
 
It’s an issue whenever it happens. I sympathize with Newcastle fans over Ashley, a dreadful owner and from what I can tell a terrible human being. if I were a Newcastle fan I’d be hugely relieved to see the back of Ashley, and hopeful that the club's future brings better fan-owner relationships and success on the pitch.

I don't want to make this too heavy, but football fans (in my opinion) aren't just spectators but custodians of grassroots institutions. Owners come and go, but fans remain.

And from that perspective, as David Conn points out, there are many reasons to be very suspicious and even downcast about this change in ownership. Depending on how you slice it, it's an absolute monarchy or dictatorship with a backwards and highly theocratic legal system, and an appalling human rights record. Seeing (a very few, to be fair) Newcastle fans waving Saudi Arabian flags in the streets is a very short-sighted, and frankly distasteful, sight.

Newcastle fans claim that nobody has the right to criticize them because they've had a raw deal for decades and ‘Everyone’s doing it now, why can’t we?’. But this is bigger than Newcastle. It doesn’t make the terrible ownership models that are increasingly ruining the game OK. We have to call it out every time it happens or the game is lost to this new paradigm. The raw deal part for Newcastle fans is true, but it is also true that the fans are welcoming ownership by Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund (PIF), chaired by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. If I were a Newcastle fan I would be very suspicious of this group and I would be extremely suspicious of their claims that the Saudi government will have no involvement with or control over how their club is run. The PIF and the government are inextricably linked through the persons involved in both.

We constantly hold players, managers, and owners to account. The fans have a responsibility too. I have limited my monetary outlay on Liverpool because I am suspicious of FSG. Had they gone into the Super League I would have stopped supporting the team as long as it operated under that model. I spend more on Columbus because they are a smaller club and (apart from the recent awful logo affair) I have decided to reward them for their running of the club.

If I were a Newcastle fan I would, again, be hopeful, but not optimistic, and I would not be buying merch and tickets.

We as fans need to see ourselves as in this together, regardless of club affiliation. Otherwise we can never complain when owners arbitrarily act against our interests and either run clubs into the ground, price us out of the game, or turn our sporting institutions into national propaganda tools.

I hope all my suspicions about Newcastle's new owners turn out to be wrong. I hope the Toon Army are on the verge of a new bright period in the club's history. But there are genuine reasons to be very concerned.
Superb post and, bravo, very well said.

The Guardian have published a number of excellent and thoughtful articles on this topic over the past two days, which are well worth reading.
 
I spend more on Columbus because they are a smaller club and (apart from the recent awful logo affair) I have decided to reward them for their running of the club.
Just to bring this full circle on owner behavior, when the Haslams bought the Crew there were a lot of comments online from other fan bases questioning how we could possibly be happy supporting owners that run a company that defrauded large numbers of their customers....And that was while we were facing the club being taken out of Columbus!

They have been incredible owners and been willing to listen to fan pressure in their running of the club (the logo affair you mention.)

If I were a Newcastle fan I would be very suspicious of this group and I would be extremely suspicious of their claims that the Saudi government will have no involvement with or control over how their club is run. The PIF and the government are inextricably linked through the persons involved in both.

This comparison to the Haslam's business dealings is in no way an excuse or equivalence between the two situations. They are clearly different.

The Saudi government has an abysmal track record on human rights and I think we NUFC fans have an obligation to be aware of that and be alert to ways we are being used by the state to sportswash their past. As you say, we need to be suspicious of their motives. As an historian, I would also urge people to reflect on the history of human rights abuses of their own nations and recognize the sacrifices made to fight those abuses.

The few cases of the behavior you note is disgusting and has been observed and called out by supporters since before the Saudis were involved with Newcastle. (There was another takeover "attempt" in 2019 that saw much the same behavior from people and they were routinely mocked and disavowed amongst fans.) I think it could be a result of people finding a very poor way to vent their frustrations with Ashley's ownership, but I think a not insignificant number appears to be people who are looking to get a rise out of others. It's a poor reflection in any case.

Right now, I think the overwhelming relief of seeing an end to the Mike Ashley era is being voiced by a large majority of NUFC fans. Does it appear that any nuanced discussions have never taken place? Perhaps, but that isn't the case.

Over the last 18 months there have been a lot of talk in NUFC circles about PIF, the Saudi government and how to balance both the joy of seeing the end of the Ashley era with the moral implications of Saudi ownership. What I don't know, is how you force policy change upon a foreign state as a club supporter. We are talking about a group with more money than God. I'm not convinced that an empty SJP or low kit sales would change Saudi agendas. What I think would be more useful is seeing the supporters of their new team, which they want to be a global brand, push an agenda of equality that challenges their policies. Again, that means that we NUFC fans have a responsibility to be aware and push back.

Like the Nordecke in Columbus used their platform to 1. support the players and 2. make it clear to anyone watching that Precourt was wrong about our club, our fans, and our city. Again, I know the situation is different, but I have seen the power in fan activism and it is not by walking away or disengaging.

Edited to add: I know it wasn't just the Nordecke. The Save the Crew movement was a much larger body than just the Nordecke. In my end of week exhaustion I didn't make that clear.

We as fans need to see ourselves as in this together, regardless of club affiliation. Otherwise we can never complain when owners arbitrarily act against our interests and either run clubs into the ground, price us out of the game, or turn our sporting institutions into national propaganda tools.
I agree that reform needs to happen at all levels of sport not just English football. I would add that the FA and/or Premier League missed a golden opportunity by letting the Super League ownership groups skate by unpunished.
 
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It’s an issue whenever it happens. I sympathize with Newcastle fans over Ashley, a dreadful owner and from what I can tell a terrible human being. if I were a Newcastle fan I’d be hugely relieved to see the back of Ashley, and hopeful that the club's future brings better fan-owner relationships and success on the pitch.

I don't want to make this too heavy, but football fans (in my opinion) aren't just spectators but custodians of grassroots institutions. Owners come and go, but fans remain.

And from that perspective, as David Conn points out, there are many reasons to be very suspicious and even downcast about this change in ownership. Depending on how you slice it, it's an absolute monarchy or dictatorship with a backwards and highly theocratic legal system, and an appalling human rights record. Seeing (a very few, to be fair) Newcastle fans waving Saudi Arabian flags in the streets is a very short-sighted, and frankly distasteful, sight.

Newcastle fans claim that nobody has the right to criticize them because they've had a raw deal for decades and ‘Everyone’s doing it now, why can’t we?’. But this is bigger than Newcastle. It doesn’t make the terrible ownership models that are increasingly ruining the game OK. We have to call it out every time it happens or the game is lost to this new paradigm. The raw deal part for Newcastle fans is true, but it is also true that the fans are welcoming ownership by Saudi Arabia's Public Investment Fund (PIF), chaired by Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman. If I were a Newcastle fan I would be very suspicious of this group and I would be extremely suspicious of their claims that the Saudi government will have no involvement with or control over how their club is run. The PIF and the government are inextricably linked through the persons involved in both.

We constantly hold players, managers, and owners to account. The fans have a responsibility too. I have limited my monetary outlay on Liverpool because I am suspicious of FSG. Had they gone into the Super League I would have stopped supporting the team as long as it operated under that model. I spend more on Columbus because they are a smaller club and (apart from the recent awful logo affair) I have decided to reward them for their running of the club.

If I were a Newcastle fan I would, again, be hopeful, but not optimistic, and I would not be buying merch and tickets.

We as fans need to see ourselves as in this together, regardless of club affiliation. Otherwise we can never complain when owners arbitrarily act against our interests and either run clubs into the ground, price us out of the game, or turn our sporting institutions into national propaganda tools.

I hope all my suspicions about Newcastle's new owners turn out to be wrong. I hope the Toon Army are on the verge of a new bright period in the club's history. But there are genuine reasons to be very concerned.
The trouble as I see it is the PL has a fair and proper owner check system in place. You do sort of wonder how that 'test' looks.

Question 1. Name

Question 2. Do you have enough money?

Question 3. (can't think of any more questions)


Congratulations! Welcome to the Premier League owners club!

When the Newcastle owners ban all Women unless they are seated in a separate area with the correct head gear, saw what the Geordies think then!

Then again having lived in Newcastle......
 
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Just to bring this full circle on owner behavior, when the Haslams bought the Crew there were a lot of comments online from other fan bases questioning how we could possibly be happy supporting owners that run a company that defrauded large numbers of their customers....And that was while we were facing the club being taken out of Columbus!

They have been incredible owners and been willing to listen to fan pressure in their running of the club (the logo affair you mention.)
You are absolutely correct. I cannot say I am totally comfortable with the Haslams, for the simple fact that I find it impossible to be totally comfortable with anyone that wealthy. To get that rich you either have to inherit a ton of wealth you never earned, or be a shark. So far they have done well, but owners are never really off probation.

It's also worth mentioning that Dr. Pete Edwards, orthopedic surgeon, club doctor, and now Columbus Crew co-owner, also put up a substantial stake to help buy the club and Save the Crew, and nobody can really question his commitment to the club - while quite wealthy himself, he's less so than the Haslams, has put in a bigger proportion of his money and has served the club for many years in a professional capacity. So when I refer to the Crew ownership the Haslams are top dog, but Edwards also has a say, and I come as close to trusting him as I could any team owner (famous last words, I know).

This comparison to the Haslam's business dealings is in no way an excuse or equivalence between the two situations. They are clearly different.

The Saudi government has an abysmal track record on human rights and I think we NUFC fans have an obligation to be aware of that and be alert to ways we are being used by the state to sportswash their past. As you say, we need to be suspicious of their motives. As an historian, I would also urge people to reflect on the history of human rights abuses of their own nations and recognize the sacrifices made to fight those abuses.

The few cases of the behavior you note is disgusting and has been observed and called out by supporters since before the Saudis were involved with Newcastle. (There was another takeover "attempt" in 2019 that saw much the same behavior from people and they were routinely mocked and disavowed amongst fans.) I think it could be a result of people finding a very poor way to vent their frustrations with Ashley's ownership, but I think a not insignificant number appears to be people who are looking to get a rise out of others. It's a poor reflection in any case.

Right now, I think the overwhelming relief of seeing an end to the Mike Ashley era is being voiced by a large majority of NUFC fans. Does it appear that any nuanced discussions have never taken place? Perhaps, but that isn't the case.

Over the last 18 months there have been a lot of talk in NUFC circles about PIF, the Saudi government and how to balance both the joy of seeing the end of the Ashley era with the moral implications of Saudi ownership. What I don't know, is how you force policy change upon a foreign state as a club supporter. We are talking about a group with more money than God. I'm not convinced that an empty SJP or low kit sales would change Saudi agendas. What I think would be more useful is seeing the supporters of their new team, which they want to be a global brand, push an agenda of equality that challenges their policies. Again, that means that we NUFC fans have a responsibility to be aware and push back.

Like the Nordecke in Columbus used their platform to 1. support the players and 2. make it clear to anyone watching that Precourt was wrong about our club, our fans, and our city. Again, I know the situation is different, but I have seen the power in fan activism and it is not by walking away or disengaging.

Edited to add: I know it wasn't just the Nordecke. The Save the Crew movement was a much larger body than just the Nordecke. In my end of week exhaustion I didn't make that clear.

Great points. I don't think this deal should be allowed to go through, and unfortunately I don't think you, as fans, can force policy changes on the Saudis. But I completely agree that, given the situation as it is, being activist is the best thing the fans can do. Do not let yourselves become the useful idiots of this regime - if they want Newcastle, they've got it now...so make sure the Saudis are reminded what your values in Newcastle are, especially in contrast to what the Saudis have been up to. Fan power remains a massively untapped (repressed?) resource.

I agree that reform needs to happen at all levels of sport not just English football. I would add that the FA and/or Premier League missed a golden opportunity by letting the Super League ownership groups skate by unpunished.

All 'Big Six' should have been banned from the CL as punishment. Just as Man City should have been banned from CL for violating FFP. But, as we have learned time and time again, nothing more than a slap on the wrist ever gets dealt out for this sort of thing. Even the defiant clubs that never gave up - Real, Barca, Juve - escaped any meaningful punishment.

But as I said before, as long as football is self-regulated, fans will have to accept that the game is now run and regulated by offshore hedge funds, oligarchs, and undemocratic foreign nation states. I wouldn't want that mob running a hot dog stand in my town, let alone a sports team.

...and if you read about the reactions of the other 19 Premier League clubs to this news, it becomes obvious that this self-regulation is not only corrupt and self-serving, it's not even being done very well.
 
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The trouble as I see it is the PL has a fair and proper owner check system in place. You do sort of wonder how that 'test' looks.

Question 1. Name

Question 2. Do you have enough money?

Question 3. (can't think of any more questions)


Congratulations! Welcome to the Premier League owners club!

When the Newcastle owners ban all Women unless they are seated in a separate area with the correct head gear, saw what the Geordies think then!

Then again having lived in Newcastle......
And ban the sale of Newcastle Brown Ale....at half-time.

Anyway, @WoodNUFC: To reiterate, @Lord Blackadder's post is excellent.

Now, I am not asking Newcastle - and I taught for a year of my life (a little over 20 years ago) in one of the universities in the north east, so I do remember - as @Apple fanboy doubtless does - the testing, trying, challenging, difficult and sometimes heart-breaking - conditions of living and life in that part of the UK world - to meet standards that others don't.

And I don't doubt that Mike Ashley was dreadful, good grief, we know he was perfectly dreadful.

But, as today's edition of the Guardian points out, there is dreadful and there is dreadful, and there is a bit of a distinction to be drawn between differing degrees of what is defined as dreadful: One dreadful is zero hours contracts, contempt for fans, and the sort of parsimony that refuses to engage with changed circumstances (financial among others) when running (and owning) a football club. Yes, Mr Ashley, I am looking at you.

The other dreadful - among many other things - is murder (of one of your own citizens) by bone saw, protected by the fact that this took place in a building with diplomatic immunity (in another country). And that is quite apart from the rest (take a look at the book Blood And Oil by Bradley Hope and Justin Scheck for an intelligent, exceedingly well informed, rather disturbing and well very written account of modern Saudi Arabia and the career of MBS).
 
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And ban the sale of Newcastle Brown Ale....at half-time.

Anyway, @WoodNUFC: To reiterate, @Lord Blackadder's post is excellent.

Now, I am not asking Newcastle - and I taught for a year of my life (a little over 20 years ago) in one of the universities in the north east, so I do remember - as @Apple fanboy doubtless does - the testing, trying, challenging, difficult and sometimes heart-breaking - conditions of living and life in that part of the UK world - to meet standards that others don't.

And I don't doubt that Mike Ashley was dreadful, good grief, we know he was perfectly dreadful.

But, as today's edition of the Guardian points out, there is dreadful and there is dreadful, and there is a bit of distinction to be drawn between differing degrees of what is defined as dreadful: One dreadful is zero hours contracts, contempt for fans, and the sort of parsimony that refuses to engage with changed circumstances (financial among others) when running (and owning) a footbal club. Yes, Mr Ashley, I am looking at you.

The other dreadful is murder (of one of your own citizens) by bone saw protected by the fact that this took place in a building with diplomatic immunity (in another country). And that is quite apart from the rest (take a look at the book Blood And Oil by Bradley Hope and Justin Scheck for an intelligent, exceedingly well informed, rather disturbing and well very written account of modern Saudi Arabia and the career of MBS).
Newcastle was the first place I moved to when I left home at 17. It was an eye opener for sure!

The football fans are passionate and (like many other fans do), think they really should be challenging for silverware every year.
I do wonder who they will bring in as a manger? No doubt Steve Bruce will get a decent pay off and land another job. He seems to walk from one to the next with no issues. Not sure why.
 
The trouble as I see it is the PL has a fair and proper owner check system in place. You do sort of wonder how that 'test' looks.

Question 1. Name

Question 2. Do you have enough money?

Question 3. (can't think of any more questions)


Congratulations! Welcome to the Premier League owners club!

When the Newcastle owners ban all Women unless they are seated in a separate area with the correct head gear, saw what the Geordies think then!

Then again having lived in Newcastle......

I will reply to the other posts I just haven’t a lot of time right this second but this post just bothers me a bit.
Stop pretending this is something which is even possible to happen. The Saudi PIF have bought the club it hasn’t been relocated to Jeddah. there’s no requirement to make up scenarios that we all know full well aren’t going to happen and couldn’t even legally in the UK.
 
The other dreadful is murder (of one of your own citizens) by bone saw protected by the fact that this took place in a building with diplomatic immunity (in another country). And that is quite apart from the rest (take a look at the book Blood And Oil by Bradley Hope and Justin Scheck for an intelligent, exceedingly well informed, rather disturbing and well very written account of modern Saudi Arabia and the career of MBS).
...and that's the rub. If you ask me, the new owners are far worse than the old owner (as bad as he was!) - and that would remain true even if they won the league ten times running. Newcastle fans don't have the luxury of being as detached about it, and I understand why they are defensive and feel under siege over this, but my point has always been we're in this together - Newcastle having Saudi owners is bad for me, as a Liverpool fan, too. We are all connected and anything that damages the game hurts all of us.
 
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