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Every opposition manager knows what it takes to beat Liverpool from a broad tactical perspective: either exploit 'Pool's high line with balls over the top, or attack Liverpool on the wings when the wingbacks have gone walkabout upfield. The challenge there is not in tactics but execution.

Shrewsbury knew this and did a good job exploiting both of Liverpool's weaknesses, especially in the first half. Udoh was a real menace playing off the shoulders of the Liverpool center backs and looking for those long passes over the top. Ogbeta on Shrewsbury's left scythed repeatedly through Liverpool's young right flank of Bradley, Dixon-Bonner, and Gordon, who just couldn't cope with the demands of pushing forward but also defending. He put in two great crosses early and one yielded a textbook goal. Konate probably could have done better defending the cross.

But that youthful Liverpool right side also produced a nice goal, with Gordon finishing very well after a Bradley cross. 'Pool had their noses in front after a late first half PK but were laboring till Firmino got subbed in and injected some cheeky magic and iced it with a back-heeled goal in the second half. Classic Klopp Liverpool - they can be got at but they will usually hurt you more than you hurt them. Fabinho roofed a fourth at the death.

The scoreline makes the match look a lot more one-sided than it was though. Most of the match was Shrewsbury defending but looking fairly comfortable doing so, and patiently waiting for an opportunity. Liverpool were the better side but not by miles. They never really got behind Shrewsbury's defense, instead trying to shoot through them and break through on set plays. Minamino's cameo was anonymous and Konate had a bit of a lumbering performance, a few wayward touches.

Shrewsbury conceded a dumb penalty and had a goal chalked off for a tight but clear offside. Had those incidents gone differently it could have been a hairier ride for Liverpool.
The difference between good sides and lower opposition is fitness levels and finishing. Give a top striker a sniff at goal and they will score every other chance. Lower quality strikers need 3-4 attempts. You don’t always get that against better sides.

Meanwhile we have dispatched Leeds Utd. But unless we win the cup, we could really do without the extra games. Like all the tough fixtures we faced in the Carabo cup. Just extra minutes on the pitch in the end.
 
Actually, as a closeted football romantic, I love the "giant-killing" fairy tale potential and the possibility of same in FA Cup runs; it is the kind of thing that fires (footballing) imaginations in children (indeed, not just in children) and keeps dreams alive in adults.
Forest Arsenal later. I remember when they were two of the top sides.
 
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The difference between good sides and lower opposition is fitness levels and finishing. Give a top striker a sniff at goal and they will score every other chance. Lower quality strikers need 3-4 attempts. You don’t always get that against better sides.
Liverpool's youth were just about getting the job done, but it was the senior players who made sure of the win. To be fair, Shrewsbury only created one clear chance but they buried it. So I can't fault their finishing today.

Meanwhile we have dispatched Leeds Utd. But unless we win the cup, we could really do without the extra games. Like all the tough fixtures we faced in the Carabo cup. Just extra minutes on the pitch in the end.

West Ham's first goal should have been chalked off IMO, but they were the better team and scored a second anyway. On to the next round. This is a terrible time of the season to be playing these extra matches. Klopp will want to persist with heavy rotation but if Liverpool draw a tough opponent he'll probably have to risk more senior players than he wants to.

Cardiff-Preston is currently in its second half of extra time, tied 1-1. An empty stadium in Wales so you can hear swears every time a pass goes astray.
 
Forest Arsenal later. I remember when they were two of the top sides.
Ooooooh.

And ouch.

Nevertheless, Arsenal tend to be a reasonably good Cup team, and they did, after all, win the FA Cup - which, to my mind, still ranks as serious silverware - as recently as two years ago, and, moreover, they have lifted it in victory on all of 14 occasions, more than any other club.
 
Ooooooh.

And ouch.

Nevertheless, Arsenal tend to be a reasonably good Cup team, and they did, after all, win the FA Cup - which, to my mind, still ranks as serious silverware - as recently as two years ago, and, moreover, they have lifted it in victory on all of 14 occasions, more than any other club.
You certainly have a good cup pedigree. And yes the FA cup is an important piece of silverware.
 
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You certainly have a good cup pedigree. And yes the FA cup is an important piece of silverware.
Well, it looks as though we will not be adding a fifteenth FA Cup to our total tally, this season.

Nottingham Forest (deservedly) dump us out of the FA Cup, winning by a goal to nil; okay, in the FA Cup, I do like to see underdogs emerge victorious, especially when they deserve to do so.
 
Well, it looks as though we will not be adding a fifteenth FA Cup to our total tally, this season.

Nottingham Forest (deservedly) dump us out of the FA Cup, winning by a goal to nil; okay, in the FA Cup, I do like to see underdogs emerge victorious, especially when they deserve to do so.
I didn’t catch it all, but Forest did play well. Now you can concentrate on securing a CL spot. No Europe or cup games to distract you. Might have done you a favour.
 
Well, it looks as though we will not be adding a fifteenth FA Cup to our total tally, this season.

Nottingham Forest (deservedly) dump us out of the FA Cup, winning by a goal to nil; okay, in the FA Cup, I do like to see underdogs emerge victorious, especially when they deserve to do so.
Good goal by Forest. Arsenal don't have the depth for cup runs right now if they want to fight for league places.

Man City are so far ahead of everyone else at the moment domestically it's hard to see anything being a 'competition' for silverware. We just have to pray the club hits a slump that keeps things interesting.
 
Man Utd scrape through past Villa. Performance-wise it was a more or less draw, but the result itself hinged on what appears to be one of those genuinely debatable VAR calls.
 
Man Utd scrape through past Villa. Performance-wise it was a more or less draw, but the result itself hinged on what appears to be one of those genuinely debatable VAR calls.

There were several possible reasons why the goal could have been overturned: offside, a hand ball, or the push-off.

I'd say Villa were the better side, though. United were still a disjointed mess aside from the first 10 minutes of the match.
 
Apparently Lucas Digne and Rafa has had a falling out:


I'm getting increasingly sure that Benitez just isn't a good fit for Everton.

I'm sure one of them are gone by January, and - even though Godfrey has been excellent as a substitute - Digne had been one of our top players the last couple of seasons...
Well, that settles that:


Wil someone, please, give Benitez a better offer? I'm genuinely concerned this season will end with relegation...
 
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Well, I'm writing off the league campaign; the only thing that can stop Man City now is a major injury crisis/COVID outbreak, or probably several of each given their points advantage. The fact that Chelsea spent so much of the match defending their penalty area says it all - they were supposed to be Man City's title rivals today. We're seeing another one of Man City's looooooog winning streaks.

The thing that annoys me the most about Man City's dominance is that it has made me fall out of love with Pep Guardiola. He bores me now - his occasional little tantrums, his glib defense of his club's financially-doped squad depth advantage. Somehow at Barca he was much more palatable, even though that club was also a league bully at the time.

Liverpool, with two matches in hand over Man City, must win their next 4-5 matches while missing key players just to maintain the fiction of a title campaign.
 
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Well, I'm writing off the league campaign; the only thing that can stop Man City now is a major injury crisis/COVID outbreak, or probably several of each given their points advantage. The fact that Chelsea spent so much of the match defending their penalty area says it all - they were supposed to be Man City's title rivals today. We're seeing another one of Man City's looooooog winning streaks.

The thing that annoys me the most about Man City's dominance is that it has made me fall out of love with Pep Guardiola. He bores me now - his occasional little tantrums, his glib defense of his club's financially-doped squad depth advantage. Somehow at Barca he was much more palatable, even though that club was also a league bully at the time.

Liverpool, with two matches in hand over Man City, must win their next 4-5 matches while missing key players just to maintain the fiction of a title campaign.
You certainly missed Salah against a 10 man Arsenal the other night. Not a great game.
We play Leeds tomorrow. They will either get thrashed by us or thrash us! They don’t play to many 0-0 draws!
 
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You certainly missed Salah against a 10 man Arsenal the other night. Not a great game.
We play Leeds tomorrow. They will either get thrashed by us or thrash us! They don’t play to many 0-0 draws!
I think you'll be OK against Leeds.

The League Cup tie match with Arsenal was a bit disappointing, but not surprising given fatigue and missing players. Arsenal put in a committed defensive performance, which against Liverpool Best XI would not have been enough, but under the circumstances it sufficed. It's Klopp's fourth priority as a competition and this is the time we need to see players like Minamino step up big. In the event, he didn't provide enough extra.
 
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Well, I'm writing off the league campaign; the only thing that can stop Man City now is a major injury crisis/COVID outbreak, or probably several of each given their points advantage. The fact that Chelsea spent so much of the match defending their penalty area says it all - they were supposed to be Man City's title rivals today. We're seeing another one of Man City's looooooog winning streaks.

The thing that annoys me the most about Man City's dominance is that it has made me fall out of love with Pep Guardiola. He bores me now - his occasional little tantrums, his glib defense of his club's financially-doped squad depth advantage. Somehow at Barca he was much more palatable, even though that club was also a league bully at the time.

Liverpool, with two matches in hand over Man City, must win their next 4-5 matches while missing key players just to maintain the fiction of a title campaign.
Unfortunately, very true.

We are moving from a situation where the template to win titles is that of unsavoury - if exceptionally wealthy and well-resourced - individuals owning clubs, to wealthy yet unsavoury states with all of the resources that implies owning clubs becoming the template for title and trophy winning success.
You certainly missed Salah against a 10 man Arsenal the other night. Not a great game.
We play Leeds tomorrow. They will either get thrashed by us or thrash us! They don’t play to many 0-0 draws!

I think you'll be OK against Leeds.

The League Cup tie match with Arsenal was a bit disappointing, but not surprising given fatigue and missing players. Arsenal put in a committed defensive performance, which against Liverpool Best XI would not have been enough, but under the circumstances it sufficed. It's Klopp's fourth priority as a competition and this is the time we need to see players like Minamino step up big. In the event, he didn't provide enough extra.
Actually, Arsenal defended very well, and, paradoxically, the dismissal of Granit Xhaka - after the descent of yet another red mist resulting in yet another red card - served to cement the focus of the defence of the team.
 
And yes, earlier today, Manchester City brushed aside Chelsea with almost embarrassing ease, especially given that this was a contest between the teams currently lying first (by a very comfortable margin of thirteen points now - it is vanishingly unlikely that this will be over-hauled, or even seriously challenged by the close of the season) and second in the Premier league.
 
Steven Gerrard outmanaged Ralf Rangnick for a second straight match.

The real problem, though, is this United squad is neither very good nor very motivated. Time to find a young, hungry manager and make wholesale changes to the squad. Build around hungrier, younger players. Take your lumps for a few years and build something sustainable, or keep on spinning your wheels with a high-priced squad that would be lucky to qualify for Europa.

I doubt the Glazers have the stomach for that, but they'll have to be satisfied with finishing 7th or 8th for the foreseeable future as things stand.
 
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