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Decent Brother (who supports Sunderland) is delighted with their current form, admires their current manager, Tony Mowbray, deeply regrets that a brilliant loanee from Manchester United (Amad Diallo) will probably have to return to Old Trafford - but has said to me that he doesn't think that they are quite ready for promotion (even though they managed to get to the play-offs, but were defeated by Luton Town over two legs) and thought that, even if they were promoted this year, that they would have headed right back down next season.

I have to agree with that assessment. Unless they find another loanee next season as good as Amad, it's going to be challenging for them to build on this season's results. Luton Town looked a stronger and deeper team overall. Honestly, I think Amad has what it takes to challenge Antony on the right for United.

United looking set for top 4 now after some anxious weeks. Gotta get one point out of two matches — thankfully they're both at OT, which makes it somewhat less daunting.
 
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I have to agree with that assessment. Unless they find another loanee next season as good as Amad, it's going to be challenging for them to build on this season's results. Luton Town looked a stronger and deeper team overall. Honestly, I think Amad has what it takes to challenge Antony on the right for United.

United looking set for top 4 now after some anxious weeks. Gotta get one point out of two matches — thankfully they're both at OT, which makes it somewhat less daunting.
Doesn't the team that ends in 4 still have to qualify for the CL by playing in playoff games with another team that finished 4th in their league?
 
Doesn't the team that ends in 4 still have to qualify for the CL by playing in playoff games with another team that finished 4th in their league?

That hasn't been an issue for the 4th place English team for some time. There was either some reform to the qualifying formula, or the PL's competitive strength increased enough that they automatically got four teams in without further qualifiers.
 
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I think Rice to Arsenal is done deal if you go by his socials. Rice started following half the Arsenal team recently.
@daneoni, - quoted below - has beaten me to it.

However, given how the Mudryk transfer worked out - Mudruk wasn't just following half the Arsenal team, he was posting tweets on Twitter that showed him watching Arsenal and cheering for them when they scored - I take this with a proverbial grain of salt.
Agreed. But I’m not on any socials so definitely don’t use that!

I hear you and agree with you.
Mudryk was liking posts and basically twerking for Arsenal and we all know how that turned out.
Exactly.

Until Declan Rice appears in an Arsenal shirt, and has put his name to a contract, I will not believe it.

Yes, we are probably pursuing him, and yes, I assume that this interest is reciprocated, but - for now - that seems to be as far as it goes.

However, I do think it likely that West Ham will find it hard to retain his services on the football field.
 
A very valuable point for Leicester (which they clawed from Newcastle in St James's Park, holding the Magpies to a nil all draw).

They have given themselves the chance of a life-line to escape relegation.

Just about.
 
Actually, I'm not sure that returning to the Premier League immediately (even if this is possible) is a good idea; to my mind, it is better to take a year to take stock, find (and nurture) some decent young players, craft a team together, sort out the finances, and then seek promotion.

Decent Brother (who supports Sunderland) is delighted with their current form, admires their current manager, Tony Mowbray, deeply regrets that a brilliant loanee from Manchester United (Amad Diallo) will probably have to return to Old Trafford - but has said to me that he doesn't think that they are quite ready for promotion (even though they managed to get to the play-offs, but were defeated by Luton Town over two legs) and thought that, even if they were promoted this year, that they would have headed right back down next season.
Whilst I somewhat agree with that sentiment; as has been proven by other teams, there's also the argument that a prolonged stay outside the Prem simply establishes a team as either a Football League club, or a yo-yo club, who are destined to boing about between the divisions.

Our (Southampton's) stay in the Football League lasted a lot longer than we wanted last time, but as a result of very astute scouting/recruitment alongside a very clearly defined plan by a very wealthy fan/owner (the late, great Markus Liebherr) we were able to put together one of the best squads our team had seen in decades (always appropriate to the league we were in and with fiscal responsibility) and work our way out of the depths of despair (and League 1) and enjoy back-to-back promotions and subsequently 8th/7th/6th/8th place finishes in the Premier League.

The caveat I would put on that is that there wasn't the level of obscene wealth in the English football scene at that time - Chelsea were bankrolled by a billionaire Oligarch, but that was about it. Now it's all the State Owned clubs and various Billionaire-Backed teams that enjoy the successes.

So while I would like us to take a year, gather our strength and put together a great team again to challenge for Premiership glory once again, I feel like if we don't bounce back quickly, we'll remain outside the top flight long term.
 
Whilst I somewhat agree with that sentiment; as has been proven by other teams, there's also the argument that a prolonged stay outside the Prem simply establishes a team as either a Football League club, or a yo-yo club, who are destined to boing about between the divisions.

Our (Southampton's) stay in the Football League lasted a lot longer than we wanted last time, but as a result of very astute scouting/recruitment alongside a very clearly defined plan by a very wealthy fan/owner (the late, great Markus Liebherr) we were able to put together one of the best squads our team had seen in decades (always appropriate to the league we were in and with fiscal responsibility) and work our way out of the depths of despair (and League 1) and enjoy back-to-back promotions and subsequently 8th/7th/6th/8th place finishes in the Premier League.

The caveat I would put on that is that there wasn't the level of obscene wealth in the English football scene at that time - Chelsea were bankrolled by a billionaire Oligarch, but that was about it. Now it's all the State Owned clubs and various Billionaire-Backed teams that enjoy the successes.

So while I would like us to take a year, gather our strength and put together a great team again to challenge for Premiership glory once again, I feel like if we don't bounce back quickly, we'll remain outside the top flight long term.
"Quickly", yes, but not so quickly that you simply sink back down again having promoted.

I take your arguments in general - being outside the Premiership for too long damages a club - but a sustained period of instability is also a challenge to deal with, for players, owners and supporters.

Decent Brother had remarked that he hope that Sunderland wouldn't even qualify for the playoffs, because they might then run the risk of promoting, something which hasn't come to pass.

Actually, assuming that Sunderland are able to either retain Diallo, or find an adequate replacement, Decent Brother had said that he would like to think that they might be able to challenge for promotion next season; he simply (and with reluctance - he couldn't have seen this, or said this, as a teenager or young man) said that next season would have been too soon.
 
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Everything has to be right to succeed. That is either winning the league or staying up. Premier league winners Leicester proved that in that you do not need uber wealthy owners, you do not need a team full of stellar signings and star players, you do not need players who want millions a year in wages. Everything was clicking into place at Leicester, they just needed the missing piece and that piece was the right manager. They got the right manager and everything clicked into place. Everton under Moyes is another one. For years they languished in the middle to bottom half of the table year in year out. They didn't have stellar star players, they did not have a high wage bill, they had everything in place and they also needed the missing piece which again was the right manager. Moyes came in and turned a languishing bottom to middle table team into European contenders and he did so with very little to work with. Uber amount of money does not make a team winners or make them successful as there are team's that have proved it wrong.

A team from the championship can survive in the premiership if they have everything 'right'.
 
I’ve been following the rumours that Feyenoord trainer Arne Slot is going to come and manage Spurs. Seems like an interesting move for him.
 
Everything has to be right to succeed. That is either winning the league or staying up. Premier league winners Leicester proved that in that you do not need uber wealthy owners, you do not need a team full of stellar signings and star players, you do not need players who want millions a year in wages. Everything was clicking into place at Leicester, they just needed the missing piece and that piece was the right manager. They got the right manager and everything clicked into place. Everton under Moyes is another one. For years they languished in the middle to bottom half of the table year in year out. They didn't have stellar star players, they did not have a high wage bill, they had everything in place and they also needed the missing piece which again was the right manager. Moyes came in and turned a languishing bottom to middle table team into European contenders and he did so with very little to work with. Uber amount of money does not make a team winners or make them successful as there are team's that have proved it wrong.

A team from the championship can survive in the premiership if they have everything 'right'.
Leicester had pursued an intellient recruitment policy.

They had recruited players - some older - who had been rejected by other senior clubs, and who thus, felt a burning need to prove themselves, and some from the Championship, who felt likewise.

They had recruited intelligently from abroad (players such as Kanté, and Mahrez), from French lower divisions. They had some good youngsters, and some solid journeymen who had the season of their lives.

Above all, they played well together as a team; this is something that still eludes Chelsea and Manchester United.

That Leicester team was better - as a team - than the sum of its constituet parts. And they had Claudio Ranieri, who, in terms of temperament and character was just right for them.
 
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Premier league winners Leicester proved that in that you do not need uber wealthy owners, you do not need a team full of stellar signings and star players, you do not need players who want millions a year in wages.
Just to play devil's advocate a bit, Liecester are owned by King Power, a corporation with an effective monopoly on duty-free retail business in Thailand. The club was the passion project of billionaire King Power owner Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha until his tragic death in a helicopter crash leaving the King Power stadium. His son has taken over as chairman and CEO of the club. So even 'little' Leicester's 5000-1 title bid, as genuienly heartwarming as it was from some angles, was driven by billionaire foreign ownership.
 
Just to play devil's advocate a bit, Liecester are owned by King Power, a corporation with an effective monopoly on duty-free retail business in Thailand. The club was the passion project of billionaire King Power owner Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha until his tragic death in a helicopter crash leaving the King Power stadium. His son has taken over as chairman and CEO of the club. So even 'little' Leicester's 5000-1 title bid, as genuienly heartwarming as it was from some angles, was driven by billionaire foreign ownership.
Yes the club is owned by a wealthy family BUT they did not spend it like one would have expected. They did not go 'flashing the cash' as it were when it came to transfers. The Thai billionaire bought the club in 2010, Vardy was bought in 2012 for £1 million, Riyad Mahrez bought in 2014 for £450,000 and N'Golo Kante in 2015 for £5.6 million. I name these 3 players because they have persistently been named as the outstanding players of Leicester's premier league winning team. None of them were marquee signings, none of them were star players, none of them were stella players but yet look what the club payed for them. A billionaire owner the club may have but never spent like a billionaire.
 
Yes the club is owned by a wealthy family BUT they did not spend it like one would have expected. They did not go 'flashing the cash' as it were when it came to transfers. The Thai billionaire bought the club in 2010, Vardy was bought in 2012 for £1 million, Riyad Mahrez bought in 2014 for £450,000 and N'Golo Kante in 2015 for £5.6 million. I name these 3 players because they have persistently been named as the outstanding players of Leicester's premier league winning team. None of them were marquee signings, none of them were star players, none of them were stella players but yet look what the club payed for them. A billionaire owner the club may have but never spent like a billionaire.
They have certainly exercised some restraint compaired with other clubs. I was simply pointing out that even ostensibly 'humble' Premier League clubs are still owned by billionaires and large foreign business consortia. And of course Leicester's more careful spending has made it impossible for them to sustain their astonishing rise from the League One to Premier League Champions. You can't compete with state clubs through moneyball or clever management. They wield sheer financial brute force at a level nobody else can match.

It's not even enough to be a billionaire anymore, that's just become the minimum price of entry.
 
Just to play devil's advocate a bit, Liecester are owned by King Power, a corporation with an effective monopoly on duty-free retail business in Thailand. The club was the passion project of billionaire King Power owner Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha until his tragic death in a helicopter crash leaving the King Power stadium. His son has taken over as chairman and CEO of the club. So even 'little' Leicester's 5000-1 title bid, as genuienly heartwarming as it was from some angles, was driven by billionaire foreign ownership.
You’re just jealous as Leicester have won the same number of Premier League tiles as your lot! 😀
 
Yes the club is owned by a wealthy family BUT they did not spend it like one would have expected. They did not go 'flashing the cash' as it were when it came to transfers. The Thai billionaire bought the club in 2010, Vardy was bought in 2012 for £1 million, Riyad Mahrez bought in 2014 for £450,000 and N'Golo Kante in 2015 for £5.6 million. I name these 3 players because they have persistently been named as the outstanding players of Leicester's premier league winning team. None of them were marquee signings, none of them were star players, none of them were stella players but yet look what the club payed for them. A billionaire owner the club may have but never spent like a billionaire.
Billionaires don’t become so by spending money. They do so by making wise investment’s and getting a return on their cash.
Although not a Leicester fan, I’m sad that they have had to sell their best players and will most likely be relegated.
 
Billionaires don’t become so by spending money. They do so by making wise investment’s and getting a return on their cash.
Although not a Leicester fan, I’m sad that they have had to sell their best players and will most likely be relegated.
I think all billionaires are thieves. Nobody comes by that level of wealth completely honestly.
 
Billionaires don’t become so by spending money. They do so by making wise investment’s and getting a return on their cash.
Although not a Leicester fan, I’m sad that they have had to sell their best players and will most likely be relegated.
Just goes to show that the Leicester owner is not much of a billionaire if he allowed their best players to be sold and did nothing much in the transfer market to help get the team back to winning ways. Goes to show there are billionaires and then there are Billionaires, they are not equal.
 
Just goes to show that the Leicester owner is not much of a billionaire if he allowed their best players to be sold and did nothing much in the transfer market to help get the team back to winning ways. Goes to show there are billionaires and then there are Billionaires, they are not equal.
I'm not sure that I would consider that a fair argument.

The two managers who were the inspiration for Leicester's performance that year - Nigel Pearson, under whom they were promoted to the Premier League in 2014, narrowly avoided relegation the following year, (and who had made some excellent buys), and was widely credited with having built the Premier winning team - and, of course, Claudio Ranieri, under whom they actually won the Premiership, the best result in their history (and, remember they have also won the FA Cup in 2021) - were both fired.

Other managers may not necessarily have been quite as good a fit at Leicester.

And, remember, the owner - Vichai Srivaddhanaprabha - who had supported, financed, passionately presided over these years of success was killed traumatically - in full view of some of the players - such as Kasper Schmeichel, who witnessed this - in a helicopter crash on take off from the King Power stadium in 2018. There is no way that this could not have been traumatic for the club.

Unlike, say Newcastle's Mike Ashley, or the Glazers at Manchester United, Srivaddhanaprabha was a passionately supportive owner, not a parasitic one.

Moreover, both Kanté and Mahrez - who departed following Leicester's title win - wished to leave the club; they had rich suitors, - Chelsea (when things were relatively well run at Chelsea), and Manchester City - wooing them.

I am also of the opinion that the more recent departure of Kasper Schmeichel has hurt the club.

"Allowing" players to leave is not really the issue here (Harry Kane notwithstanding). For, if a player really wishes to leave a club, it is very difficult to stand in their way. Thus, the task is to facilitate this in a way that doesn't pernamently damage the club.

Granted, Leicester did buy players; unfortunately, few of these purchases could have been regarded as inspirational.

And that does not take into account the fact that football has changed dramatically since 2016; managers such as Guardiola (with a bottomless budget), and Klopp, have transformed the game, and Leicester lack the means to stay the course with them.
 
Just goes to show that the Leicester owner is not much of a billionaire if he allowed their best players to be sold and did nothing much in the transfer market to help get the team back to winning ways. Goes to show there are billionaires and then there are Billionaires, they are not equal.
Leicester sold players to balance the books. They had to otherwise they would have breached the PL financial regulations.
 
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