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The 2022-2023 Football Thread

Apple fanboy said:
Every player we get linked with for the rest of the summer suddenly went up by £20 million because of the Rice deal.
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Which does raise the question of whether the high asking price is ultimately a net gain for West Ham. We've seen this before, for example when Gareth Bale left Spurs for big money and the players brought in from the sale fee were collectively not very successful (apart from Christian Eriksen, but he was not a 1:1 replacement for Bale in any case).

At the end of the day, there needs to be some form of transfer fee caps to deflate transfer fees. Most people in the sport don't benefit from this inflation, and the ones that do (club suits, agents) are not people I am rooting for to make more money. Inflation in the game ultimately leads to higher ticket and merch prices and more expensive TV subscriptions. Bad for fans.

This is not, by the way, a 'West Ham problem.' It's a global issue in the game but obviously the Rice sale is an example of this inflation.
 
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Apple fanboy said:
All the West Ham hate makes me chuckle.
Arsenal are negotiating with us to sell a player. We have stated what we wanted from the start.
£120 million
Or
£100 million plus a player.

I don’t see our position has changed. Paying the money slower than we would like is just another tactic to try and use the funds elsewhere by Arsenal. Clearly we need those funds to reinvest.
Every player we get linked with for the rest of the summer suddenly went up by £20 million because of the Rice deal.
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£120 million!!! West Ham are having a laugh aren't they!!?? Rice is a good player but not THAT good. English tax and PL tax at work it would seem. I have no doubt there are far better players out there than Rice and at a cheaper price.

This is the problem PL teams have now because they want players with PL experience because time and time again it has been shown that many players outside of the PL struggle to fit in and thus takes time to get them adjusted to playing in the PL and due to the pressures from club owners, many PL managers are not prepared to wait.

Years and years ago it was common place to let players adjust to their new environment and get them adjusted to the new league they would be playing in. It was very common to hear from managers 'it is a learning curve for my new player(s), they will need time to adjust'. Now due to the pressures of succeeding, managers want ready made PL players that can fit in straight away, they are not prepared to allow players to adjust and of course this means PL players come at a premium and club owners know it, hence the silly prices we see of some PL players, especially English ones.
 
laptech said:
£120 million!!! West Ham are having a laugh aren't they!!?? Rice is a good player but not THAT good. English tax and PL tax at work it would seem. I have no doubt there are far better players out there than Rice and at a cheaper price.
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Value in this market is derived from what people are willing to pay, which is in turn based on how much money the wealthiest clubs are willing to spend. There is no standard to anchor this. In the current market Rice's fee is on the high end of what I would expect, but you have to remember everything is hugely inflated.

Remember how everyone freaked out when Chelsea paid £30m for Shevchenko in 2006? The market has inflated over 300% since then. Rice is not 300% better than Shevchenko was, but that has nothing to do with it.

Just be glad the cost of living hasn't inflated 300% since 2006...though it often feels like it has.
 
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No, I don't think that West Ham are "having a laugh"; instead, they are attempting to capitalise on a player whose skills are in demand, and that, in turn, drives the price of a player ever higher.

However, had they not accepted their own asking price, I would have viewed them as negotiating in bad faith.
 
Havertz and Rice are good moves to strengthen the squad, which Arsenal need to do if they are serious about competing next year. They’ll be in the Champions League and it will be a more demanding season.
 
Bodhitree said:
Havertz and Rice are good moves to strengthen the squad, which Arsenal need to do if they are serious about competing next year. They’ll be in the Champions League and it will be a more demanding season.
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This is true.

Irrespective of who is bought or sold, they will need to strengthen their squad, and to try to have more strength in depth.
 
Lord Blackadder said:
Which does raise the question of whether the high asking price is ultimately a net gain for West Ham. We've seen this before, for example when Gareth Bale left Spurs for big money and the players brought in from the sale fee were collectively not very successful (apart from Christian Eriksen, but he was not a 1:1 replacement for Bale in any case).

At the end of the day, there needs to be some form of transfer fee caps to deflate transfer fees. Most people in the sport don't benefit from this inflation, and the ones that do (club suits, agents) are not people I am rooting for to make more money. Inflation in the game ultimately leads to higher ticket and merch prices and more expensive TV subscriptions. Bad for fans.

This is not, by the way, a 'West Ham problem.' It's a global issue in the game but obviously the Rice sale is an example of this inflation.
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I’ve never seen it as anything but a lise for West Ham. We will lose a star player and bring in 3 mediocre ones.
Hopefully our under 18 PL winners can unearth a few jems.
 
West Ham next season after £100m+ spending spree.

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I wish Rice well as he has been a brilliant player for us. Shame he's going to a club with not much prospect of silverware!

Actually I think it will help Arsenal a lot. But I still believe this year's number 2 club benefited from virtually no European games and a very poor season from Liverpool (by their recent standards), Chelsea and Spurs.

I guess it's wait and see for us as to if we invest the money wisely or if it just pushes us into the Championship.
 
Apple fanboy said:
I wish Rice well as he has been a brilliant player for us. Shame he's going to a club with not much prospect of silverware!

Actually I think it will help Arsenal a lot. But I still believe this year's number 2 club benefited from virtually no European games and a very poor season from Liverpool (by their recent standards), Chelsea and Spurs.

I guess it's wait and see for us as to if we invest the money wisely or if it just pushes us into the Championship.
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Sorry for your loss
 
West Ham need to give a very big thank you to Man City because without their 'we didn't really want him' bid, they wouldn't have got the money they wanted.
 
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Sal09 said:
Madders deleted his old tweets before joining Spurs.
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Social media is closing in on 3 decades old now, and humans have yet to learn never to post things to the internet they don't want everyone to know, and remember. Forever.

The first rule of social media is don't.

Oh, and just for the record, RE: Maddison's first tweet there....Liverpool beat Spurs 3-2 with a late Gerrard PK that day. Not 'destruction' (Though Suarez also found the net, and Stuart Downing scored one of his three for 'Pool) but I imagine James was smiling. :)
 
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Sal09 said:
Madders deleted his old tweets before joining Spurs.

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Arsenal were excellent this past season - they led the table for most of the season, and led it well, and coming second to this Manchester City team was no mean achievement, though, obviously, I would have far preferred had we finished the season as League Champions.

Unfortunately, their tragedy was they - the team - lacked strength in depth.
 
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Mason Mount to United is a go. £55M + potential add-ons. Still too rich for my blood, but is ETH is convinced he's the 8-10 he needs, I guess I'll go along with it.

Hopefully a new keeper in André Onana isn't far behind. If you want to play out from the back, he's your guy.

Lord knows what the plan is for a striker.
 
Silencio said:
Mason Mount to United is a go. £55M + potential add-ons. Still too rich for my blood, but is ETH is convinced he's the 8-10 he needs, I guess I'll go along with it.

Hopefully a new keeper in André Onana isn't far behind. If you want to play out from the back, he's your guy.

Lord knows what the plan is for a striker.
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The thing is with the striker, has ETH personally himself said he needs a striker? because all I can remember reading is what has come from football sports writers saying United need a striker due to the lack of goals they have been scoring. If ETH has personally said he needs a striker then it seems very weird that he has gone for a midfielder and is looking at another goalkeeper when the club are desperately in need of a proven striker.
 
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