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Personally I disagree with clubs who fail to progress in the CL moving into the EL. It’s just another mechanism to keep the greedy club’s money flowing in.
99% of European competition is pure bloat. Why not just have league winners only invited to a straight knockout to decide who the best team in Europe is?

Answer? Money. (Money is always the answer to these sorts of questions.)

That doesn’t mean we never see good matches in these European cup completions. But we also see a lot of dross.
 
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Am i the only fan who thinks or wants Arsenal to get knocked out of Europa League. I think we should concentrate on PL.
As an Arsenal Neutral, I actually like to see them in Europe. I feel like it's where they belong, traditionally. It doesn't feel like European football, if Arsenal aren't being beaten dramatically in the quarter finals.
 
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99% of European competition is pure bloat. Why not just have league winners only invited to a straight knockout to decide who the best team in Europe is?

Answer? Money. (Money is always the answer to these sorts of questions.)

That doesn’t mean we never see good matches in these European cup completions. But we also see a lot of dross.
100% agree. The CL should just be for the champions of each country.
The third tier of European football that we find ourselves in is even worse. It’s the inter toto cup that just lasts far too long.
 
Haaland out injured. FF players everywhere will be grinding their teeth at that. Leicester on the other hand will be hoping they can capitalise.
0-0 at half time. But a long way to go.

We play Utd tomorrow. Jarrod Bowen is a doubt so not feeling too hopeful. We are better at home, so not expecting a good result at OT.
 
Haaland out injured. FF players everywhere will be grinding their teeth at that. Leicester on the other hand will be hoping they can capitalise.
0-0 at half time. But a long way to go.

We play Utd tomorrow. Jarrod Bowen is a doubt so not feeling too hopeful. We are better at home, so not expecting a good result at OT.
People have been so focused on Haaland they seem to have forgotten about de Bruyne, still one of the best players in the league…
 
People have been so focused on Haaland they seem to have forgotten about de Bruyne, still one of the best players in the league…

Indeed. Man City have plenty of talent besides Haaland.
It should come as small surprise that a goal from the exceptionally talented de Bruyne gave them victory, taking them to the top of the table.

Arsenal have done very well to retain the top spot until now, but, I fear that dislodging Manchester City from that position will be a task beyond every other team in the Premier League.
 
Oh dear 'Pool...

Its very telling that Alisson has easily been their best player this season

Full credit to Leeds and Meslier though.

Everybody except City looks convincingly beatable. Its a shame really, its like three separate leagues in one league.

Title (largely decided), Europe, Relegation scrap.
 
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So it seems if you want to best Liverpool you just need to be in the bottom two of the premier league.
Leeds have always been one of those clubs capable of producing a surprise result. They don’t have many 0-0 matches do they?
Also Brighton show their old manager they are still a capable team without him.
Anyway always nice when some of the greedy six lose.
 
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So it seems if you want to best Liverpool you just need to be in the bottom two of the premier league.

Right now, anyone could beat Liverpool. The season’s long gone, and I still see fatigue and injuries as the primary culprits. Maybe top four is still possible but really, I’m just marking time till next August and we start again. It’s not like anyone else is going to challenge for the league anyways. I have confidence in Klopp and am not interested in changing things - odds are Liverpool’s next manager won’t be as successful as he has been, but this season just didn’t work out. And with the World Cup looming, more fatigue and injuries are on the horizon.

Leeds will be rightfully proud of this win but it probably proves little in the bigger picture, as ‘Pool were bad today and not a direct rival in their campaign for survival. If they want to climb out to the bottom of the league they’ll need to start beating the teams around them, which so far they have struggled to do. I’d like to see Marsch succeed, so here’s hoping he can string together more results.
 
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Haven’t managed to post in here for a while as I’ve been dizzy with newcastle being at crazy heights of 4th.

People will say it’s all money and whilst that certainly hasn’t hurt the turn around in players that were already there has been amazing. Even the money spent has only been overcoming the lack of investment previous.

I’m not expecting to finish 4th but I’m starting to dream again.
 
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Right now, anyone could beat Liverpool. The season’s long gone, and I still see fatigue and injuries as the primary culprits. Maybe top four is still possible but really, I’m just marking time till next August and we start again. It’s not like anyone else is going to challenge for the league anyways. I have confidence in Klopp and am not interested in changing things - odds are Liverpool’s next manager won’t be as successful as he has been, but this season just didn’t work out. And with the World Cup looming, more fatigue and injuries are on the horizon.

Leeds will be rightfully proud of this win but it probably proves little in the bigger picture, as ‘Pool were bad today and not a direct rival in their campaign for survival. If they want to climb out to the bottom of the league they’ll need to start beating the teams around them, which so far they have struggled to do. I’d like to see Marsch succeed, so here’s hoping he can string together more results.
Fatigue and injuries? It sounds like the sort of rubbish Klopp spouts. 90-95% of the PL have less resources at their disposal.
As for the stupidly timed WC it will affect all teams. So I don’t think that can really be a valid reason for any one team to be struggling in the New Year.

As for your comments about no one else challenging for the league, I think Arsenal already are.
 
Haven’t managed to post in here for a while as I’ve been dizzy with newcastle being at crazy heights of 4th.

People will say it’s all money and whilst that certainly hasn’t hurt the turn around in players that were already there has been amazing. Even the money spent has only been overcoming the lack of investment previous.

I’m not expecting to finish 4th but I’m starting to dream again.

Yes, the players have been amazing, and some degree of hope (in a deeply depressed and deprived part of the country) has been restored to the people who support one of the teams from the region.

And yes, that team had been disgracefully run under the previous ownership. (And yes, also, I would have loved to have seen Newcastle win the League when Kevin Keegan was in charge.)

However, it is far too euphemistic to argue that the (vast, and bottomless) flow of money from a (rather repellant yet obscenely wealthy) sovereign state has "hasn't hurt" the team.

Rather, the team has sold its soul.

Although, @Apple fanboy may rail (with considerable justification) against the "greedy six", I must admit that my greatest dislike and detestation is reserved for the clubs bought by those wealthy sovereign states, with atrocious records on human rights, in a classic a classic expression of - and projection of - "soft power".

While I disliked (detested, even) the world where oligarchs (and irresponsible or greedy businessmen) could buy - and wreck - football clubs, as an expression of ego, - the fact that states with outrageous records on human rights are permitted to purchase football clubs appals me.
Fatigue and injuries? It sounds like the sort of rubbish Klopp spouts. 90-95% of the PL have less resources at their disposal.
As for the stupidly timed WC it will affect all teams. So I don’t think that can really be a valid reason for any one team to be struggling in the New Year.

As for your comments about no one else challenging for the league, I think Arsenal already are.
No.

We may challenge, and chase - I think we have done exceptionally well so far - but we lack the strength in depth to mount the sort of brilliant challenge that Liverpool managed twice in recent years - chasing the competition to the wire, to the last day. As for winning, I very much doubt it.

In truth, I'll be happy with a CL spot, and - for the first time in years - I think we have a good chance of achieving that ambition.
 
Fatigue and injuries? It sounds like the sort of rubbish Klopp spouts. 90-95% of the PL have less resources at their disposal.
As for the stupidly timed WC it will affect all teams. So I don’t think that can really be a valid reason for any one team to be struggling in the New Year.
I’m not seeking sympathy, I just think that’s why they’re performing poorly. That and new players taking time to bed in. Jota’s injury issues should not be forgotten, he has contributed a lot of goals and chance creating in a Liverpool shirt. I dont think Liverpool are being ‘found out’ tactically, and league-winning players don’t turn into donkeys in a season or two. Age is also a factor for some players. Liverpool have a fairly deep, TA belted squad - but their squad is not the deepest, and they have also played more matches than anyone else in the league over the last year.

The WC will affect all teams, it’s true, but the wealthier teams tend to have more internationals who start for their national team, go deeper in tournaments , thus playing more matches.

As for your comments about no one else challenging for the league, I think Arsenal already are.

They are right now, very true. But my money is on them not being able to sustain it. They might even finish second but I’ll be surprised if they actually push City all the way in terms of points.
 
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I’m not seeking sympathy, I just think that’s why they’re performing poorly. That and new players taking time to bed in. Jota’s injury issues should not be forgotten, he has contributed a lot of goals and chance creating in a Liverpool shirt. I dont think Liverpool are being ‘found out’ tactically, and league-winning players don’t turn into donkeys in a season or two. Age is also a factor for some players. Liverpool have a fairly deep, TA belted squad - but their squad is not the deepest, and they have also played more matches than anyone else in the league over the last year.

The WC will affect all teams, it’s true, but the wealthier teams tend to have more internationals who start for their national team, go deeper in tournaments , thus playing more matches.



They are right now, very true. But my money is on them not being able to sustain it. They might even finish second but I’ll be surprised if they actually push City all the way in terms of points.
Liverpool’s problems all seem to be with the defence. So uncommitted at the back yesterday. You never look comfortable when teams attack.
 
Yes, the players have been amazing, and some degree of hope (in a deeply depressed and deprived part of the country) has been restored to the people who support one of the teams from the region.

And yes, that team had been disgracefully run under the previous ownership. (And yes, also, I would have loved to have seen Newcastle win the League when Kevin Keegan was in charge.)

However, it is far too euphemistic to argue that the (vast, and bottomless) flow of money from a (rather repellant yet obscenely wealthy) sovereign state has "hasn't hurt" the team.

Rather, the team has sold its soul.

Although, @Apple fanboy may rail (with considerable justification) against the "greedy six", I must admit that my greatest dislike and detestation is reserved for the clubs bought by those wealthy sovereign states, with atrocious records on human rights, in a classic a classic expression of - and projection of - "soft power".

While I disliked (detested, even) the world where oligarchs (and irresponsible or greedy businessmen) could buy - and wreck - football clubs, as an expression of ego, - the fact that states with outrageous records on human rights are permitted to purchase football clubs appals me.

No.

We may challenge, and chase - I think we have done exceptionally well so far - but we lack the strength in depth to mount the sort of brilliant challenge that Liverpool managed twice in recent years - chasing the competition to the wire, to the last day. As for winning, I very much doubt it.

In truth, I'll be happy with a CL spot, and - for the first time in years - I think we have a good chance of achieving that ambition.
I think you’ll end up second. But another emphatic win today. Saka’s injury not good for you or England though.

Meanwhile we are trying to win at a ground we never do. Utd look up for it.
 
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I think you’ll end up second. But another emphatic win today. Saka’s injury not good for you or England though.

Meanwhile we are trying to win at a ground we never do. Utd look up for it.
Yes, another emphatic win today, - although Saka's injury is a blow, and I sincerely hope that it is not serious.

This evening, we are top of the table again; and, while that particular stat gives me great pleasure to contemplate, the fact that we have been top of the table for almost the entire first third of the season is (to my mind) a more impressive form of proof that the team actually have improved beyond all recognition.

Unfortunately, as @Lord Blackadder has pointed out - and I agree - I don't think that we have the strength in depth to sustain this over the course the entire season.

Age (of the squad), injuries and fatigue are doing for Liverpool.

Nevertheless, it also remains to be seen how Manchester City will cope with injuries over the course of the season and with the World Cup approaching - although they do have strength in depth to counter this.
 
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