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The 2023-2024 Football Thread

Apple fanboy said:
I said it the other day, but I'll say it again. How does such an incompetent manager get that job?
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I'm not sure whether it is a case of "failing upwards" or an application of what used to be known as "the Peter Principle" (a well placed individual could be promoted beyond competence until they had exceeded - or, at the very least, reached - their level of incompetence).
Apple fanboy said:
I'm a purchase manager (among other roles I do!). Imagine I bankrupt the company because I ordered too much stock. Then Tim Cook gives me a call and says 'fancy being the head of purchasing at Apple?'

A very strange appointment.
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Agreed.
 
Apple fanboy said:
I said it the other day, but I'll say it again. How does such an incompetent manager get that job?

I'm a purchase manager (among other roles I do!). Imagine I bankrupt the company because I ordered too much stock. Then Tim Cook gives me a call and says 'fancy being the head of purchasing at Apple?'

A very strange appointment.
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It is utterly odd but it just shows how little talent there is out there right now.
I’m guessing they have looked at Burnley for what it is and decided they feel he didn’t have the players to play to his strengths.
If he fails here though he has to be washed up I reckon.
 
Combo of Bayern running through managers like a freight train, and nepotism. Its nice when Pep puts in a good word for you.

I just find it comical that he kept banging on about preparing for next season and working hard. Then swiftly dumps Burnley after relegating them

Its like a man getting a woman pregnant, asking her not to abort because he will be there to help her raise the child. Then dumps her for another woman.
 
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daneoni said:
Combo of Bayern running through managers like a freight train, and nepotism. Its nice when Pep puts in a good word for you.

I just find it comical that he kept banging on about preparing for next season and working hard. Then swiftly dumps Burnley after relegating them

Its like a man getting a woman pregnant, asking her not to abort because he will be there to help her raise the child. Then dumps her for another woman.
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Burnley probably did well from it. They were always going down with that squad. To sack him they would have had to pay him millions, Bayern have probably paid them millions. They’re probably net £12m up or something.
 
I wonder if Bayern Munich was struggling to find a manager because they would need to speak German or learn to speak German. I say this because I remember reading articles about Zinedine Zidane and after all this time out of the game why he does not want to manage a English premier league team is because he does not speak English but also that he does not want to learn the language. Naturally this was 1-2 years ago so his thoughts on the matter might have now changed but at the time that was his reasoning. Therefore I wonder if that is why some managers do not want to take on the job of a team in a foreign country because they would be required to speak the language and they just don't want to.
 
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danny842003 said:
news.sky.com

Leeds United: Red Bull buys minority stake in club - but name won't change

The energy drinks company will become the team's new shirt sponsor as part of the deal, which comes despite the club's recent failure to gain promotion to the Premier League.
news.sky.com news.sky.com

Red Bull purchase a stake in Leeds to go with their other football clubs.
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Every sports team Red Bull has invested in has eventually changed it's name to include the words Red Bull. They either start off small and over time increase their investment till it reaches a point where they become the major shareholder/owner or they have bought 100% of the sports team. They have made a mistake if their future plan is to increase their investment in Leeds so they can change the clubs name because Leeds fan will not have it regardless of how successful the club was to become under the Red Bull branding. Red Bull is well known in the sports world for hosting numerous sports events especially it's extreme sports and sponsorship of those wanting to do something crazy.

Getting involved with Leeds now is a master stroke of marketing because only they just lost out getting into the premiership which means whilst still in the championship their value is still low than if they were in the premiership. Leeds stand a very good chance of getting promoted next season and any marketing guru will tell you that getting involved in a premier league team is a must due to the premier leagues reach around the world and it's profile around the world and of course Red Bull will want to see it's branding get into every household around the world and a good way of doing that is sponsoring/owning a football team that is in the premier league. Getting involved with a premier league team now would cost Red Bull a hell of a lot more than sponsoring a championship team that has the potential to get promoted to the premier league within the next 3 years.
 
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laptech said:
Every sports team Red Bull has invested in has eventually changed it's name to include the words Red Bull. They either start off small and over time increase their investment till it reaches a point where they become the major shareholder/owner or they have bought 100% of the sports team. They have made a mistake if their future plan is to increase their investment in Leeds so they can change the clubs name because Leeds fan will not have it regardless of how successful the club was to become under the Red Bull branding. Red Bull is well known in the sports world for hosting numerous sports events especially it's extreme sports and sponsorship of those wanting to do something crazy.

Getting involved with Leeds now is a master stroke of marketing because only they just lost out getting into the premiership which means whilst still in the championship their value is still low than if they were in the premiership. Leeds stand a very good chance of getting promoted next season and any marketing guru will tell you that getting involved in a premier league team is a must due to the premier leagues reach around the world and it's profile around the world and of course Red Bull will want to see it's branding get into every household around the world and a good way of doing that is sponsoring/owning a football team that is in the premier league. Getting involved with a premier league team now would cost Red Bull a hell of a lot more than sponsoring a championship team that has the potential to get promoted to the premier league within the next 3 years.
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Funny how you’re not condemning multi club ownership here.
Austrians and thais good. Saudis bad.
 
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danny842003 said:
Funny how you’re not condemning multi club ownership here.
Austrians and thais good. Saudis bad.
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I do not need to keep on banging the drum in every post I make that could have a reference or link to multi club ownership. I've made my point clear about it in past posts in this thread.
 
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Was listening to the game and then watching the BBC's website live reporting and have to admit that I am disgusted with the BBC because anyone watching would think Jude Bellingham is the only player that matters because the BBC just kept going on and on and on about Jude Bellingham and now Madrid has won it the BBC have gone even worse and went more heavily on about Jude Bellingham, how the game affected him, how he played in the game, how much lifting the trophy means to him, how young he is and on and on it went. I had to move off the BBC website because it was getting Jude Bellingham claustrophobic.
 
laptech said:
I do not need to keep on banging the drum in every post I make that could have a reference or link to multi club ownership. I've made my point clear about it in past posts in this thread.
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Yes yes Saudis aren’t aloud a football league we get it.
 
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It is quite ironic that the guy who proposed a Super League has just won his club's 15th UCL trophy, and is already looking forward to the 16th. He has come out completely unscathed. Despite trying to bring the whole game and its ruling body into disrepute, simply because he wanted more money.
In addition, he is now set to buy arguably the current best player in the world. To make the whole system even more laughable.

Meanwhile in the EPL, the club accused of 115 charges of financial fraud has just won the biggest domestic trophy 4yrs in a row. And people/media are conveniently mindfully ignorant, and awarding plaudits.

Then there's the manger who got a club relegated, but is now deemed to be the guy to take over the helm of a European giant and take them forward


Taking a step back, football has become quite the caricature.
 
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Regardless of people's negative thoughts, views and opinions on the ESL (European Super League) it will go ahead at some point in the future due to rulings not only by the European Court of Justice but also a court in Madrid both finding UEFA and FIFA and with regards to the Madrid court, the Spanish football league, all guilty of anti competitive behaviour by saying they will ban clubs and players from competing in any FIFA or UEFA competitions if the ESL went ahead. This is in direction convention of EU law of the freedom of work. The court rulings do not endorse the ESL but it does mean that FIFA, UEFA and the Spanish football federation cannot prevent clubs from wanting to join one.

I therefore have no doubt that if the FA's of England, France, Italy and Germany were to try and block teams from joining an ESL, they would also suffer the same court action and result. If anything, those FA's would probably have to do the same as golf's PGA who brought in a very quick change to their rules that banned players signed with the PGA to play for the new golf tournament created by the Saudi's, LIV Golf. The PGA said players cannot play in both tournaments due to LIV Golf not be sanctioned by any professional golf association. BUT most recently, due to many high profile players leaving the PGA to join rival LIV Golf, this has caused a problem for the PGA because viewers are losing interest in the PGA because all the golfers they watch and follow are joining LIV Golf. This has caused a u-turn with the PGA in that they are now working with LIV Golf to come up with a plan so they can merge together.

Is this what the FA's of the European countries are afraid of, that if their top teams leave their leagues to join a ESL that it will take the viewing fans with them which would create financial problems for the FA's because money generated by the countries top teams would instead go to the ESL instead of the FA. Leagues make millions from television rights deals. Most of that will go because the TV stations will want to show ESL games meaning tv rights money going to the ESL instead of the leagues.

As I look into this deeper I can help but think the FA's contempt of the ESL has everything to do about money they will lose rather than the impact it will have on the fans. The Premier league has one of the biggest TV rights deals going, it is in the billions of £££. How much of that would they lose if Man United, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea were to leave the league and join an ESL. Those clubs are big draws for TV viewing figures. Is Sky or BT going to pay the PL billions in TV rights if those 4 teams are not in the league? of course they are not.

It is all about money, nothing more nothing less. The FA's and their league want all the money to themselves and they are not about to let an outsider (company behind ESL) tamper with their money pot.
 
laptech said:
Regardless of people's negative thoughts, views and opinions on the ESL (European Super League) it will go ahead at some point in the future due to rulings not only by the European Court of Justice but also a court in Madrid both finding UEFA and FIFA and with regards to the Madrid court, the Spanish football league, all guilty of anti competitive behaviour by saying they will ban clubs and players from competing in any FIFA or UEFA competitions if the ESL went ahead. This is in direction convention of EU law of the freedom of work. The court rulings do not endorse the ESL but it does mean that FIFA, UEFA and the Spanish football federation cannot prevent clubs from wanting to join one.

I therefore have no doubt that if the FA's of England, France, Italy and Germany were to try and block teams from joining an ESL, they would also suffer the same court action and result. If anything, those FA's would probably have to do the same as golf's PGA who brought in a very quick change to their rules that banned players signed with the PGA to play for the new golf tournament created by the Saudi's, LIV Golf. The PGA said players cannot play in both tournaments due to LIV Golf not be sanctioned by any professional golf association. BUT most recently, due to many high profile players leaving the PGA to join rival LIV Golf, this has caused a problem for the PGA because viewers are losing interest in the PGA because all the golfers they watch and follow are joining LIV Golf. This has caused a u-turn with the PGA in that they are now working with LIV Golf to come up with a plan so they can merge together.

Is this what the FA's of the European countries are afraid of, that if their top teams leave their leagues to join a ESL that it will take the viewing fans with them which would create financial problems for the FA's because money generated by the countries top teams would instead go to the ESL instead of the FA. Leagues make millions from television rights deals. Most of that will go because the TV stations will want to show ESL games meaning tv rights money going to the ESL instead of the leagues.

As I look into this deeper I can help but think the FA's contempt of the ESL has everything to do about money they will lose rather than the impact it will have on the fans. The Premier league has one of the biggest TV rights deals going, it is in the billions of £££. How much of that would they lose if Man United, Man City, Liverpool and Chelsea were to leave the league and join an ESL. Those clubs are big draws for TV viewing figures. Is Sky or BT going to pay the PL billions in TV rights if those 4 teams are not in the league? of course they are not.

It is all about money, nothing more nothing less. The FA's and their league want all the money to themselves and they are not about to let an outsider (company behind ESL) tamper with their money pot.
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England isn’t in the EU though and that’s where the money is. The British government is currently bringing in a regulator to prevent things like this happening.
Without the English teams currently this doesn’t get off the ground. German teams won’t join because they’re fan owned/controlled.
So you’re left with some big named but financially poor teams to form a league with.

I don’t think you’re totally wrong about the FA not wanting to lose money but it doesn’t end at that. The English pyramid is amazing and should be protected at all costs. It should get UNESCO protection and I’m only being slightly hyperbolic about that.
 
I think where the ESL will fail is with the fans and with the of playing similar strong teams over and over again leading to the possibility of boring draws because the strength of the teams equal themselves out.

Firstly with the fans, clubs would be expecting their fans to travel to multiple countries every week. Such a thing is not financially possible for the average fan. This would start critics off by saying that not only would the ESL be a rich team/rich owners game but also a rich fan's game because only the wealthy would be able to afford going abroad each week to an away game.

The next problem would be variety. Two teams of equal strength, canceling each other out which leads to a draw. How long would fan's put up with that? The beauty of the current system is that no one can predict the out come of a game when a top team is playing a lower ranked team in the league. How many times have we seen the top teams from every top league in the UK and EU get beaten by a team that is in the relegation zone. We see it time and time again. Not good for the fans of the top team but great for the fans of the lower team. This unpredictable nature is what makes league football so great. Look at Bayern, winners of the league the past 11 years, has one of the worlds best strikers and yet lose against lower opposition thus affecting them winning the league for the 12th year. In England, both Liverpool and Arsenal on a drive to win the league, losing and drawing against lower opposition teams affecting them from winning the league. This is what fans want isn't it?

Liverpool's dominance of the 70's, people were getting fed up of it, Man United's dominance in the 90's and early 2000's, people were getting fed up of it, now Man City's dominance, people are getting fed up of it. Would such a thing happen in a ESL? Also, what about the fans no longer seeing their team dominate year after year. Would they be happy? Man City, 6 league titles in 7 years, Bayern Munich, 11 league titles in a row, PSG, 10 league titles in 12 years, Real Madrid, 4 league titles and Barcelona 6 league titles in 12 years. In a ESL league, that would all stop, would fans of those clubs be happy with a league where their team is not always winning it like they are now? I do not think so hence why in my opinion fans would quickly get fed up of the ESL want things to return back to how they were.
 
England’s 3-0 flatters them somewhat.

Not a convincing win. Not sure Southgate will have learned much from it.

Personally I hope Bowen maintains his place. He would have got his first England goal tonight had it not been for his colleague blocking his shot.
 
Apple fanboy said:
England’s 3-0 flatters them somewhat.

Not a convincing win. Not sure Southgate will have learned much from it.

Personally I hope Bowen maintains his place. He would have got his first England goal tonight had it not been for his colleague blocking his shot.
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These games are always like this. Nobody is going to want to get an injury a couple of weeks out against a side there’s no plaudits for beating.
Just minutes in the legs and working on combinations.

SJP looked great beforehand, really bringing the wor flags flavour that’s been so defining since the takeover.
 
I've never been one to complain about 'friendlies' with relation to injuries because a player can get injured do the most mundane of things like tripping over their children's toys or twisting their ankle walking up or down the stairs, getting their knee bumped by a shopping trolley whilst out shopping with the family, playing games with the family/children.

Take this hypothetical scenario, Harry Kane goes through the whole season and friendlies without an injury, 2 weeks to the Euro's his family have a BBQ get together. A young nephew who has not seen Harry all year rushes up to him calling out Uncle Harry, the excitement of seeing his uncle Harry causes the child to bash against Harry's knee causing him to fall over twisting his leg. His leg is in terrible pain, turns out the fall and twist has torn a tendon in his knee and he will be out of all sport for the next 2 months. All England fans are now devastated because their best striker will not be at the Euro's.

I do understand where people are coming from when they talk about how pointless friendlies can be but we cannot wrap players up in cotton wool all the time because we a scared they might get injured in the game before the start of a major competition.
 
Mitthrawnuruodo said:
www.theguardian.com

Manchester City launch legal action against Premier League over sponsorship rules

Manchester City have taken legal action to challenge sponsorship rules and the means by which decisions are taken by the Premier League
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

Yeah...this is gonna end well... </sarcasm>
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Good the rules were brought in to stop us (Newcastle) being able to compete with the cartel.
There’s no other business in the world that stops investors investing money to compete with the competition.
 
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You can invest, just don't live beyond your means and then lie about it. Yes before FFP this happened, but arguably thats why FFP came it.

Re- City, basically, i manipulated the system and got caught. So now i'm gonna criticise it.
 
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