Aussie Ange cemented his position as a living legend. His responses to the English press and the contempt those hacks had for Ange is lamentable. Especially that waster who called Ange a "clown". I hope that hack loses his job. Most important in all this is that Ange did what all those "name" managers failed to do at Spurs for 17 years and win a trophy. Levy might sack the manager now but hopefully Spurs would go another generation without a trophy. What Ange also has done is taken Spurs to the promised land of £100m for pot one of the CL groups stages next season.
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I wonder if you apply what you just wrote goes to Man United fans as well? because I get fed up of people annoying United fan's when their club won trophies. I get the same response from fans of other clubs that have won trophies over the years, Liverpool, Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal, why am I annoying their fans and my reply has always been 'you did exactly the same to United fans so now I am doing the same to you'.
He should be sacked. Ange is responsible for the worst premier league season in Spurs history and now he is being called a 'legend' because the team won the Europa cup. Winning the cup does not make him a legend, winning the cup is an embarrassment to the club, being the worst team in the history or European trophy competitions to win a European trophy. The club is 17th in the league, one spot above relegation and fans are rejoicing about how good their manager and players are. It's an absolute joke.
Unfortunately winners get to write history and context is largely irrelevant. In 5 yrs history will remember Spurs won the Europa League. Even though they lost 21 matches in the EPL and played bottom tier teams all through in Europe. It’s irrelevant. They are European cup winners and that’s final.
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And that is where it has also gone wrong with fans of clubs, they care more about winning a trophy than doing well in the league. Spurs are meant to be one of the power houses of the premier league, year after year they have been in the top ten, gaining entry into European competitions but yet this year they are rooted to near bottom of the league, their worst ever performance and Spurs fan do not give a damn because they won the Europa cup. Total embarrassment.
Ange has just delivered their first trophy for 17 seventeen years. First trophy. Seventeen years. They now love Ange and it is all down to the manager. Any owner who doesn't let him have a crack at the CL next season is sadistic. Consider all the other 'name' duds up and down the years. Mid-table mediocrity is worth nothing compared to a major trophy in the empty cabinet.
To think Ange might also have a second major European trophy within the next three months. It's never been so good a time to be a Spurs fan.
There is no way they get past PSG or Inter in the Super Cup. Lightening doesn’t strike twice.
Well, as it happens, I am no longer five years of age, and, even when I was, this sort of school yard nonsense held little - actually, no appeal - for me.
Anyway, I am not interested in annoying the fans of any team.
That logic is flawed, (I'm doing it to you just because you did it to me) and the action itself - irrespective of motivation, - is, to my mind, mindless, - not to mention immature.
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Agreed.
Very much so.
On this very topic, I have long thought that the very definition of sadism (and, at the very least, outright unfairness along with a weird sense of entitlement), in the modern game, was when Manchester United sacked Louis van Gaal a mere two days after he had steered the team to victory in the FA Cup in 2016.
I wonder whether Manchester United, in their current incarnation, have ever reflected upon that.
Exactly.
Agreed.
Again, agreed.
I reckon the best man for ManU was the original successor Davie Moyes. It would have taken a few years but he would have built a solid foundation instead of playing checkbook manager like the 'name' managers after him did. Ferguson himself was ready to be sacked for the majority of the late 80s but for a Crystal Palace replayed Final in 1990, if I recall correctly. I think it was all down to the Glasers extracting dividends and interest payments from the bottom line. They've been a basketcase ever since.
No argument re Moyes.
And no argument re the Glazers (though we would do well to recall Ferguson's role in how their stewardship came about).
My point - given the current discussion about Ange and Spurs - was the (grossly unfair) treatment meted out to van Gaal, when he was summarily fired in the immediate aftermath of an FA CUP triumph, and whether Manchester United may wish to reflect upon their poor treatment of a manager who left them in a far better position, position wise and trophy wise - United finished fourth in his first season, and fifth in his second, the year he won the FA CUP, he was fired at the end of the second year of a three year contract - both positions enabled them to participate in European competitions (granted, the Champions League and the Europa League, respectively) - than the rather dismal location where United currently find themselves.
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Also of interest is the quite strikingly different tone being taken by both Ange (who has made clear that he would prefer to remain at Spurs, echoing what Louis van Gaal had also said, following his FA Cup success, but prior to his dismissal two days later, that he wished to stay for the remainder of his three year contract), and Amorim, who has - in language that is a lot less subtle than he may think, signalling a desire to depart if I read this correctly - that if the club feel the need to request his departure - even without a payoff - he will perfectly understand their stance.
Mind you, the Spurs players seem to have been somewhat lukewarm in extending their support to their manager, notwithstanding the fact that under him they have just won their first European trophy in 41 years.
Mind you, the Spurs players seem to have been somewhat lukewarm in extending their support to their manager, notwithstanding the fact that under him they have just won their first European trophy in 41 years.
I don't have any empathy for Spurs fans as they're a nasty bunch IMO.
Re Ange, from what I have read, my sense is that the fans are thrilled with a manager who has brought them their first European trophy in 41 years, whereas the players seem to be rather lukewarm (which is rather telling) and less than fulsome with their expressions of support for him.
Many - if not most - fan groups are comprised of the fairly enthusiastic, passionately enthusiastic, and the downright fanatical.
And, alas, some fan groups do contain nasty, vicious and violent elements.
However, to my mind, few merit - outright - the adjective of "nasty", with the possible exception of Millwall fans, whom I regard as exceedingly nasty.
It would have been very interesting had Moyes been given 5-10 years in the hot seat at Old Trafford. At the very least the club would have been significantly richer. All those managers to pay off and players brought in for someone else’s system.
Still there loss was West Ham’s gain. European glory will mean Moyes will long be remembered by some West Ham fans as a hero.
Couldn’t agree more. Millwall fans would have jumped me at London Bridge one day as I was catching a train and stupid enough to be wearing my West Ham top. Fortunately the police escort they had saved my skin.
If any set of fans merit the adjective "nasty" it is Millwall's truly appalling fans.
That wasn't how I saw the reaction to the Spurs player at FT on Wed. They dragged Ange into the fray and unveiled the cool Ange in shades meme.
Actually, just to clarify, I am not referring to events on the pitch immediately after the match, but to reports I have read in the days since then.
Ange (whose position has been under considerable - and, I would argue, increasing - pressure) has signalled to the owners of Spurs (and here, I am simply commenting on reports in the Guardian) that he wishes to stay with Spurs, and would like to remain in his position.
There has been a strange sort of silence from the squad (rather than the - perhaps expected - fulsome support).
I am taking the liberty of quoting from the relevant article in today's edition of the Guardian:
"It was interesting to hear the reaction of the players to the second question, [which asked whether the Spurs hierarchy should terminate Ange's tenure as manager] many of them treading a diplomatic line. Guglielmo Vicario and Micky van de Ven essentially dropped their shoulders and stressed a desire merely to celebrate. Brennan Johnson, who scored the goal in the final, his 18th of the season, said that “if there’s ever a time for a mic drop, it’s now” – raising the prospect of Postecoglou striding off gloriously into the sunset.
None of the squad explicitly called on the hierarchy to stick with Postecoglou, despite showing their obvious affection for him, although Son came the closest. “He won the trophy, nobody [else] did it, so … ” the South Korean said. “Look, it’s not up to me or the players. But we just have to look at the facts; at the fact that we hadn’t won in 17 years. It’s the manager who wins the trophy. So we see what’s going to happen.”
I have long thought that Moyes did exceedingly well at West Ham.
Moreover, I also have long thought that both David Moyes and Louis van Gaal - neither of whom were (or, are) young, cool, hip, or fashionably intense individuals, but rather, had a public persona that appeared rather dour - were poorly treated by Manchester United, and both were a lot better - as managers - than many of the men who followed them in holding that position.
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Who ever they get, they are going to want to make a statement and I think that statement will be a goal fest against Spurs because there is no way either of those teams is going allow one of the UK's premier leagues worst teams to outshine them in the Super cup.
Moyes and Van Gaal suffered at United because of the Glazer siblings and one man, the executive vice chairman Ed Woodward who took on the role of dealing with transfers when the very very experienced chief executive David Gill left around the same time that Ferguson retired. Ed Woodward had no football experience in him and it showed because he was not able to get the transfers that Moyes wanted because Woodward did not how to get it done thus players and their agents stayed away from United. Van Gaal suffered for the same reasons, he was not able to get all the players he wanted because players and their agents did not want to deal with the very inexperienced Ed Woodward.
Every manager after Ferguson has suffered because of the Glazer siblings. People constantly uses the word 'Glazers', a word that was synonymous with the family bought the club but it was not the 'Glazers' that bought the club, it was one man, the father, Malcom Glazer and during his tenure as owner the club was very successful, winning numerous trophies over the years. His children did not own any part of the club. His children's ownership of the club only came in when their father passed away. The problem with that is that none of his children had a clue how to run a football club. Yes they had some sports experience due to the families ownership of a NFL team but that is it. When their father died in 2014 (had been ill for a number of years prior) this is when it all went wrong at United, the children were now running the club and they have been making an astronomical mess of it ever since.
Inter and PSG are two teams punching above their weight. PSG usually fall at the final hurdle. Great losers like Spurs until they're not like Spurs anymore.
Arguably, they did learn this lesson in retaining Erik ten Hag after winning the FA Cup. That also turned out to be a mistake.
Moyes was the wrong choice for United. The job was far too big for him. He was fine at the level of Everton or West Ham.
100% agree that the Glazers and Ed Woodward bear the vast majority of blame for United's current sorry state. It's hard to overstate the mess that INEOS has to clean up. They have already made mistakes, like the aforementioned ETH contract extension after the FA Cup win and the ill-starred hiring of Dan Ashworth. They'd done well in the transfer market so far, but they really need to pull off some miracles this summer.
Bruno made his comments about staying or leaving because Saudi is apparently circling around him, with Al-Hilal supposedly offering £100M for him and a £700K/wk salary. Bruno strikes me as a guy who wants to compete and win at the highest level more than get paid maximum dollar, but such an offer will be hard for United or Bruno to resist. A United without Bruno is going to be unwatchable, though.