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The 2024-2025 Football Thread
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It probably does. Hard to legislate for a tyre blowout even at moderate speed. Wouldn't have helped with the fire either.
R.I.P to both and condolences to the family
It probably does. Hard to legislate for a tyre blowout even at moderate speed. Wouldn't have helped with the fire either.
R.I.P to both and condolences to the family
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Absolutely horrific news. Shows how short life really is. Saw him score the opening goal for Liverpool down here on the opening day of last season. Simply shocking, His poor family.
Why is it us humans show how we can be the lowest of the low? Was on a popular well know auction site looking at sports clothing and in the recommended list was a listing of football boots. In the listing I saw an auction for a signed boot from Diogo Jota, priced at £1,740. It showed up as a new listing so I looked at when the person posted the listing, it was posted a few hours after the majority of the UK media reported the crash on the 4th July. The man is reported as having died in a car crash and a few hours later someone posts an auction of one of his signed football boots few hours later. Utterly disgusting. Why do us humans behave like that?
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Order it. Then report them as it didn’t show up. They’ll get nothing. That’s what they deserve.
In a sort of related note I still have my football boots. I’ve not used them in a couple of decades and never will again. But I still can’t quite admit and get rid!
Disgusting and disgraceful, not to mention greedy, grotesquely insensitive, and utterly lacking in class.
Curious. Is it just me, or did Arsenal not give the official website/social media goodbye to Partey?
Probably not something they can do, due to the current circumstances. But, honestly, talk about timing of these revelations coming to light and contract not being extended (wages he was looking for and the term of the contract)...
Probably not something they can do, due to the current circumstances. But, honestly, talk about timing of these revelations coming to light and contract not being extended (wages he was looking for and the term of the contract)...
Very interesting, agreed.
And the contrast with Takehiro Tomiyasu - who is also an excellent defender, is also a player who was unfortunately rather injury prone, and is also a player who is currently departing from the club - is very striking.
Mind you, the club haven't exactly covered themselves in glory, here.
My sense - now, knowing that charges were pending - is that the club were hoping that he would reject their counter-offer - as happened - so that they could wash their hands of him.
Granted, until very recently (a few weeks ago, when I went trawling online) I hadn't realised what was happening off field, and that charges (credible ones, too) were pending.
Re an actual extension, if it is true that Thomas Partey demanded an increase in already very generous wages when negotiating his contract extension, (which, with his age, - he is now into his thirties - his atrocious injury record - from what I can see, he seems to have missed more games than he actually played over the handful of seasons - last season was an exception - that he played with Arsenal), his poor - and costly - judgment during a few key matches, the approaching African Cup (which will mean that African players will not be available for at least a month, while hoping none are injured on international duty) then, his sense of entitlement - even though he was an excellent player - is extraordinary.
I find it odd that Partey's image has been removed from the Arsenal.com mens team list, and no 'departing' message posted. Maybe it isn't official yet. Albeit, I did think 30th June, was the official date thought.
Another point, wondering if we'd see Jesus' contract being terminated, like Tomi's. Thus, allowing funding for other incomings and such...
His contract ended on 30th June.
My sense is that Arsenal have completely washed their hands of him, and are delighted to have done so, and will see this as not having tarnished the reputation of the club.
Personally, I deeply regret their preference for hoping to avoid controversy, rather than taking a principled stand.
Yes, one is innocent until found guilty, but a club can still find ways and means of signalling disapproval of such conduct.
Put it another way: A few years ago, when Pierre-Emeric Aubameyang was late back to training (having visited his unwell mother in France without permission), he was stripped of the captaincy, and relegated to the reserves by Mikel Arteta; now, yes, of course there were other issues, but there does seem to me to be something of a double standard at times, and I believe that the club could have been a bit more proactive in their stance, rather than seeking to avoid any negative consequences.
However, unlike others, (such as Mason Greenwood, who was suspended by Manchester United following his arrest on similar charges), Thomas Partey was charged only this week, - that is, after his contract had expired, - possibly, because, with his contract having concluded, he may have been considered a flight risk.
Moreover, the fact that his wage demands - when negotiating an extension - were excessive, and extraordinarily entitled, gave the club a credible reason to reject them, and, by offering (counter-offering) an extension with reduced wages (as with the arrival of Martin Zubimendi, and bearing in mind Partey's dreadful injury record, one could only expect him to make limited appearances in the future), which, I suspect, that they hoped he would reject, Arsenal probably consider themselves very much (legally, if not ethically) in the clear.
In any case, he was booed and heckled regularly when playing, - and not only by opposing supporters of whatever team was playing Arsenal - and (to their credit) a small group of Arsenal supporters protested before every match about the fact that he remained in the team.
Tomi's contract was terminated - by mutual consent with both parties - a year early.
His current injuries - which saw him miss pretty much the entire season last season - will keep him out for a further half season, at least, from what I have read.
Nevertheless, to my mind, Tomi was a terrific player, an utter professional, (and a great guy) whose career was blighted by injury. I am very sorry to see him go.
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Tbf he arguably had his best season in an Arsenal shirt last season. And at that age you're looking for some security which he would argue he deserved as one of two best midfielders the whole season.
I can understand where he's coming from and i can equally understand the club's position. Regarding the club's silence. Again i can see their point of view.
If they wish him well then Arsenal football club supports rapists. If they don't then they're ungrateful and hanging him out to dry. Or they rebuke him and he's found innocent and decides to litigate.
They can only keep their mouth shut and probably wish him well behind closed doors.
Not gonna comment on the charges cos you never know with players, and the attention/agendas they inevitably attract. Or the dodgy stuff they get on to.
Hmmm.
Agreed; he had an excellent season last season - his best by far in the shirt.
Moreover, last season in the Premier League, he appeared 35 times over the course of the season (38 games), a stat that was only approached during the 2022-23 season, when he appeared 33 times.
Every other season (and he was with us for five years), he missed at least a few months through injury, and, in the season of 2023-24, he only appeared on 14 occasions.
His injury record was dire, and I am not so certain - all else being equal, which it isn't - that he is not one of those players whose form deteriorates drastically upon receipt of a fresh contract.
Factor in the African Cup - whereby he would have been absent for at least a month over the coming season, assuming he didn't pick up yet another injury while on international duty - and I think that one would have been fortunate to obtain not just a full season, but most of a season, from him.
And, while he did have an excellent season, and was more or less injury free (a first, in his Arsenal career) last season, there were some key lapses, ghastly errors of judgment that cost the team dearly - that wholly unnecessary red card (actually, two moronic yellows) against Real Madrid which meant that he couldn't play in the first round against PSG, - which cost the team, dearly - for example - those also count against him.
I see their point of view, but, I have to say I think it wholly inadequate, in the circumstances.
Manchester United - to their credit - suspended Mason Greenwood when he was arrested.
Now, granted, Thomas Partey wasn't charged as an Arsenal player - he was charged when his contract had expired - thus Arsenal, rather disingenuously, in my view, can attempt to argue that this is no longer anything to do with them.
Actually, I now think - given their silence, which is deafening - that they are delighted to be shot of him.
I think that he was an excellent player but a very poor excuse for a human being.
Personally, I am more than glad that he will no longer appear in an Arsenal shirt.
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The other point I will add - is that I would imagine that opinions in the Arsenal Women's team - which is also excellent, and is increasingly popular and widely supported - would have been very strong on this subject.
Quite often, on this thread, (and elsewhere, no doubt), we will condemn football teams, owners, administrators, management (frequently, with ample justification), and condemn them especially strongly for sheer greed, along with a lack of decency, ethics and basic humanity.
However, tonight, I wish to applaud - and praise - Liverpool for their decision - a very decent and generous gesture - to honour Diogo Jota's contract in full.
In other words, his family will still continue to receive his salary for the remaining two years of his contract with the club.
Impressive: Bravo, and very well done, Liverpool.
However, tonight, I wish to applaud - and praise - Liverpool for their decision - a very decent and generous gesture - to honour Diogo Jota's contract in full.
In other words, his family will still continue to receive his salary for the remaining two years of his contract with the club.
Impressive: Bravo, and very well done, Liverpool.
Your post reminded me of Mason Greenwood at United. A major factor in the club releasing him was because of the strength of resolve from United's women's team in that they refused to be around him (they would have mingled at the training ground, basically the training grounds canteen, the boot room and the training pitches).
There are people who still defend Greenwood purely on the basis he was never taken to court for the charges against him because his girlfriend who was the one who made the claims against him suddenly refused to testify against him which forced the CPS to drop the case against him BUT that still did not stop the United's women's team from refusing to be around him. Some of his own team mates refused to work with him and the papers were printing rumors that many players from both the men's and women's team would resign if Greenwood was kept on at the club.
I read about that a couple of days ago but it was just rumors at the time because Liverpool had not made the decision official. I assume they have now made it official then?. If it is now official then yes it is an extremely good gesture.
That’s a very decent thing they have done. But I assume it’s just an insurance policy. I have death in service at work. If I die my wife gets two years of my salary.
Not sure. Insuring a footballer is probably very expensive but with a very low likelihood of death in service. I think it’s more likely FSG have listened to the UK operation
You know, silly me, I did not even for a moment consider this. VERY, very, good point!!!
Arsenal fans, what do you think of this deal of the club making a play for viktor gyökeres?
www.bbc.co.uk
Do you think it's genuine or just a ploy to get Sesko's club to reduce their asking price for him if they know Arsenal are looking at another striker instead because Arsenal have been chasing Sesko for quite some time. They were never interested in viktor gyökeres.
Viktor Gyokeres: Arsenal sporting director Andrea Berta travels to Portugal to close in on deal
Arsenal sporting director Andrea Berta holds face-to-face talks with Sporting in Portugal as the Premier League club move closer towards a deal for striker Viktor Gyokeres.
www.bbc.co.uk
Do you think it's genuine or just a ploy to get Sesko's club to reduce their asking price for him if they know Arsenal are looking at another striker instead because Arsenal have been chasing Sesko for quite some time. They were never interested in viktor gyökeres.