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Tonight’s ties should tell us a little more about Bayerns title chances. Barcelona vs Atletico (a cozy Spanish get-together) and PSG vs Liverpool.

Think you’re probably right and Liverpool will get put to the sword.
 
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Arsenal's win yesterday guarantees a 5th UCL spot in the EPL.

It probably would've happened anyway but thats back to back seasons where Arsenal's win secures a 5th spot for the league.

Good news for either Villa, LFC, or Chelsea whoever ends up getting it.
 
Arsenal's win yesterday guarantees a 5th UCL spot in the EPL.

It probably would've happened anyway but thats back to back seasons where Arsenal's win secures a 5th spot for the league.

Good news for either Villa, LFC, or Chelsea whoever ends up getting it.
Got to keep the money rolling in for the greedy six.
 
Considering that in this years league stage of the UCL there were six English teams, and five finished in the seeded Top-8, you have to say that’s fair.
 
PSG are incredible passers of the ball. The movements and triangles are precise and incisive. I think its even better than Bayern's.

Liverpool hanging on by a thread, no shot on target throughout the game. Meanwhile Barca also hanging on and are 2-0 down against Athleti and a man down
 
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Yes, the way it is looking we will get…

PSG v Bayern
Arsenal v Atletico

In the semi final, and I would think a win in the final for whoever wins the PSG v Bayern semi, which I feel is actually kind of a final, given the quality of the teams.

PSG could have had 3 or 4 goals today…
 
PSG could have had 3 or 4 goals today…
Liverpool got off cheaply…still, our goose is cooked. I’d love nothing better than to bloody PSG’s nose but this is not the season for that. We couldn't even beat Spurs, so this was always going to be a humbling tie.

The mood among the fans is sour, and the players are suffering from poor morale. My fear is that this rebuild is going to get worse before it gets better. Failing to qualify for Europe will almost certainly do for Slot.
 
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Liverpool is still the current Premier League champions, though. They haven’t had the kind of all-conquering season they had in Slots first year, but it’s mostly been natural cycles. A title every once in a while is not bad?
 
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Liverpool got off cheaply…still, our goose is cooked. I’d love nothing better than to bloody PSG’s nose but this is not the season for that. We couldn't even beat Spurs, so this was always going to be a humbling tie.

The mood among the fans is sour, and the players are suffering from poor morale. My fear is that this rebuild is going to get worse before it gets better. Failing to qualify for Europe will almost certainly do for Slot.
Slot did far better than he could reasonably have expected, or should have expected, in his first year; I fear that this has blinded fans - or lulled fans - into expecting (and demanding) such footballing miracles automatically.
 
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Slot did far better than he could reasonably have expected, or should have expected, in his first year; I fear that this has blinded fans - or lulled fans - into expecting (and demanding) such footballing miracles automatically.

I would agree with that. To build a team that is capable of doing what Manchester City has done, which is compete for the title in six years in a row in one of the toughest leagues in the world, requires a different attitude and it is shooting for a moving target.

At the moment Liverpool find there is still a gulf in class between them and the very best — the Manchester City’s, the Paris Saint-Germain’s — and I think a lot of that has to do with the solidity and energy of the players. PSG looked competitive, skilful and energetic all over the field. If you rely on a single defensive midfielder to carry that quality for you, you’re going to come up short.
 
At the moment Liverpool find there is still a gulf in class between them and the very best — the Manchester City’s, the Paris Saint-Germain’s — and I think a lot of that has to do with the solidity and energy of the players.

It has even more to do with the fact that those clubs are being bankrolled by entire nation-states. Liverpool have to overperform to match that level consistently.
 
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It has even more to do with the fact that those clubs are being bankrolled by entire nation-states.
Too dismally true.
Liverpool have to overperform to match that level consistently.
Also true.

Nevertheless, Liverpool have relied on declining stars (van Dijk, Salah) for too long, have been shaken by the tragic death of Jota, and may have missed players they sold - such as Henderson, and Mane - far more than they realised.

In other words, a team in a state of transition, something the fans may not fully accept.
 
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Too dismally true.

Also true.

Nevertheless, Liverpool have relied on declining stars (van Dijk, Salah) for too long, have been shaken by the tragic death of Jota, and may have missed players they sold - such as Henderson, and Mane - far more than they realised.

In other words, a team in a state of transition, something the fans may not fully accept.
They also wasted money on Issak. Yes he could still come good, but from the outside looking in he doesn’t seem to be the ‘right’ sort of player you want in the dressing room.
 
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Nevertheless, Liverpool have relied on declining stars (van Dijk, Salah) for too long, have been shaken by the tragic death of Jota, and may have missed players they sold - such as Henderson, and Mane - far more than they realised.

In other words, a team in a state of transition, something the fans may not fully accept.

It's important to remember that before Liverpool brought in Alisson and VvD, Liverpool were an exciting team to watch who scored often but left too many points on the field. The keeper and center back cost a lot but they were the bedrock of Liverpool's trophy-winning sides. We kept scoring and stopped leaking goals.

Now both are ageing and Alisson is pretty injury prone. And, as I mentioned before, we had a killer front line that is impossible to replace like-for-like.

They also wasted money on Issak. Yes he could still come good, but from the outside looking in he doesn’t seem to be the ‘right’ sort of player you want in the dressing room.

It was a big gamble that has failed - at least if your threshold for success is 'comes in and immediately performs at a Peak Salah level.' Though I personally never expected that. On the other hand, I had hoped for something better than 'struggles to score and then suffers a [more or less] season-ending fracture.'

I doubt Isak will ever be as good as Diaz, Jota, or Salah. Bearing in mind also those three fed off each other and that counted for a lot. But Isak might turn out to be good enough if he can stay healthy, grow up a little, and if the manager can find the best way to use him. The money is irrelevant these days, he cost what he cost and that's FSG's problem.

The question is where to focus energies on fixing things...The keeper and our key center back are ageing. Our wingbacks are OK but not great and lack depth. Midfield is OK-ish. Attacking players are underperforming as a group and Salah will be gone. And if Slot goes, who replaces him and how does that impact the rebuild? I do NOT want to see a big tactical 180 in choice of manager, Man Utd or Spurs style. Too disruptive.

Building the team around Wirtz seems wise. He has the talent.
 
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Nevertheless, Liverpool have relied on declining stars (van Dijk, Salah) for too long, have been shaken by the tragic death of Jota, and may have missed players they sold - such as Henderson, and Mane - far more than they realised.

In other words, a team in a state of transition, something the fans may not fully accept.

It’s also that the very top teams have been evolving. Nowadays your attacking midfielders are expected to roam into the opponent penalty area and effectively function as strikers, your wingbacks are expected to contribute goals, your defensive midfielders are expected to be capable of coming forward and pass and function in attack. In a way the whole team is expected to be more capable on the ball, capable of tackling and pressing.

In a way a dedicated defensive midfielder like Gravenberch is an anachronism at the highest level, and as are midfielders who can’t dribble a bit or sell a body swerve. A team like Arsenal when it plays at it’s best has a six man rotation playing in the opponents box.

And I’m not so sure if it’s just money that makes the best teams the best. PSG spent years at the top in France without making an impact in the later stages of the Champions League, until they hired Luis Enrique as trainer, and suddenly quite a few players got better and they acquired a few missing pieces like Kvaratskhelia for 80m and Desire Doue for 50m. Liverpool was also spending those kinds of amounts.
 
And I’m not so sure if it’s just money that makes the best teams the best.

It is of course more than just money. But money is most of it. The best players and managers now cost astronomical sums, and competition bloat means top teams play a crushing schedule of games requiring two starting quality players in every position over the course of a season.

And, most importantly, wealth means you can afford to fail continually and expensively till you succeed. People only remember the silverware.

A well run club can punch above its weight for a short time, but the fundamental reason top clubs stay at the top year after year not because they are more cleverly run, or have a superior club culture, or better fans, or whatever. It’s because they’re richer.
 
It is of course more than just money. But money is most of it. The best players and managers now cost astronomical sums, and competition bloat means top teams play a crushing schedule of games requiring two starting quality players in every position over the course of a season.

And, most importantly, wealth means you can afford to fail continually and expensively till you succeed. People only remember the silverware.

A well run club can punch above its weight for a short time, but the fundamental reason top clubs stay at the top year after year not because they are more cleverly run, or have a superior club culture, or better fans, or whatever. It’s because they’re richer.
Money is certainly part of it. But so is having a successful academy bringing in ‘cheap’ home grown talent. Also success breads success.
Newcastle have plenty of money. But a player would choose City over Newcastle because they are more likely to get trophies and CL football.
 
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Not sure if there have been any other Saints in this thread so I thought I'd chime in...

So here we are on an unbeaten run of 16 games and looking forward to trying our luck against City at Wembley in the semi final of the cup. What a difference a year and a new upcoming manager can make.
I think City will need to be on their game because we're full of confidence right now.

Also I much prefer The Championship. No VAR for starters, you never know who will beat who. Nearing the end of season and most teams still have something to play for. No big six, sorry five 🤭 either. Proper footie ! That said we love winning and getting to Wembley whenever possible. Even if we lose to City playing in our 50 year commeration yellow kit it'll still be a great season following one of our worst last year.

Fingers crossed Spurs go down and Millwall go up (I'll get me coat now)
 
Not sure if there have been any other Saints in this thread so I thought I'd chime in...

So here we are on an unbeaten run of 16 games and looking forward to trying our luck against City at Wembley in the semi final of the cup. What a difference a year and a new upcoming manager can make.
I think City will need to be on their game because we're full of confidence right now.

Also I much prefer The Championship. No VAR for starters, you never know who will beat who. Nearing the end of season and most teams still have something to play for. No big six, sorry five 🤭 either. Proper footie ! That said we love winning and getting to Wembley whenever possible. Even if we lose to City playing in our 50 year commeration yellow kit it'll still be a great season following one of our worst last year.

Fingers crossed Spurs go down and Millwall go up (I'll get me coat now)
Happy to see Spurs go down. I wouldn’t be so pleased if Millwall came up!
 
Money is certainly part of it. But so is having a successful academy bringing in ‘cheap’ home grown talent. Also success breads success.
Newcastle have plenty of money. But a player would choose City over Newcastle because they are more likely to get trophies and CL football.

You need money to have success, and money breeds more money. Which breeds success. Man City might be a big club now, but where were they before that crook Shinewatra's (remember him?) takeover? They didn't reach their current status though clever mangement and ownership or anything they did on-pitch (that came after). Newcastle will also be there in a few years if the Saudis choose to stick around. If you pump enough cash in you'll eventually succeed even if the club is run by mediocre talent. I don't believe it's possible to win in football simply by being 'smart' owners. It's 90% about wealth.

The academies certainly do help, but big clubs do not win trophies due to their academies. I would argue that academies may be more useful for smaller clubs to develop players they can sell to big clubs.

If you have a genuine future Messi coming though your academy that you've grown from seed, the best option for 99% of the clubs on the planet is to put him in the senior squad for one season and sell him for a 9-figure sum. Even a club of Liverpool's size would probably do that. Which is why Real have won the CL 15 times. They buy that talent from 10 different clubs (plus one or two of their own products) and fling them on the pitch and they win. Which generates more money and investment....

Also I much prefer The Championship. No VAR for starters, you never know who will beat who. Nearing the end of season and most teams still have something to play for. No big six, sorry five 🤭 either. Proper footie ! That said we love winning and getting to Wembley whenever possible. Even if we lose to City playing in our 50 year commeration yellow kit it'll still be a great season following one of our worst last year.

Fingers crossed Spurs go down and Millwall go up (I'll get me coat now)

I agree about the Championship. It's a very competitive league, and the quality of the football is good. Watching VAR-free football at a high level is like looking through a recently cleaned window. So much more pleasant. Goals scored from marginal offsides are allowed to stand and you realize the attacking team really didn't have an actual advantage from the nose-hairs of one player being behind the last defender.
 
Nervous tonight. An early goal would be a great tonic. But only if it’s at the right end!

Come on you Irons!
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Super happy Summerville is back. Just hope he’s not been rushed though.
 
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