Then why are you buying the watch? You are supporting the bull and self praising with your wallet. iSheep
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The Apple Watch Price ****-Fit Thread
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Then why are you buying the watch? You are supporting the bull and self praising with your wallet. iSheep
I think the steel watch with the mesh bracelet is the sweet spot. It's 649/699, so that's 300 more than the sport version with a rubber strap and you get a nice steel bracelet, steel case and sapphire glass.
This is what i'll probably get, as i don't want to spend too much on a 1st gen product (have been burnt before with 1st gen stuff from apple: 2008 MB Air, iPad 1, iPad 3 with retina display, first rMBP with lots of lag and underpowered graphics).
I might get a nicer one (1k) next year if i really like a smartwatch (i never had one).
This is what i'll probably get, as i don't want to spend too much on a 1st gen product (have been burnt before with 1st gen stuff from apple: 2008 MB Air, iPad 1, iPad 3 with retina display, first rMBP with lots of lag and underpowered graphics).
I might get a nicer one (1k) next year if i really like a smartwatch (i never had one).
699 sweet spot, $300--almost double--more, da ***? By the time you need a sapphire screen we'll be on gen 2 or 3 and while the ss is nicer than Al, it'll get scratched up like crazy same as the original iPod but more importantly the features/specs are completely identical. The sweet spot--if you can even say that with these prices--is the sport model with an alibaba replacement band.
Why are people trying to justify the price of these things? They are not a good investment. If you have spare cash and want one because you are a bit careless with your money, buy one. But it's a bit silly to try and convince yourself and others that these are worth the outrageous prices. Apple are targeting the Apple fanatics, impulsive shoppers and those guys wearing Beats headphones. If you are going to buy one of these, you probably (but not definitely) fit into one or all of those categories.
This is the reason the gap between the rich and the poor is growing at blinding speeds. The suckers who'll 'afford' themselves an Apple watch but are not wealthy drive up personal debt instead of growing their wealth.
This is the reason the gap between the rich and the poor is growing at blinding speeds. The suckers who'll 'afford' themselves an Apple watch but are not wealthy drive up personal debt instead of growing their wealth.
I would still not pay a penny for the gear.... don't care if it pretends to be a smartphone, it can not replace it.
They don't care if under 25's buy above the base model. They're not the target demographic. Established business people are. The base is just there to get them started
Plenty in that price range (men) will buy the "murdered out" model
I think a great many of the tech people will say why not buy a pebble steel time with that build. Well no sapphire glass for $250
Apples price on stainless is ridiculous.
Have you looked at the pebble steel time? Or regular pebble at $200
Do you really need to speak to your wrist. Man I hope people don't do that in public!
It hasn't damaged Leica in any way that matters to them..aka money
They take a massive,y overpriced camera. Paint it ridiculously and sell it for 37k
Oohs. Hand distressed!
I actually think apple modeled Leica for the gold edition. Not sarcasm or joke. I truly believe they took inspiration for consumer valuation from Leica on that model.
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Do you have a link to the $37K Leica? Was it a special one-off to raise money for charity or something?
In a similar vein, I was thinking of the solid gold EarPods that went for $460,000 at auction. Silly money, but the buyer's noble goal there was to donate lavishly to a good cause - not to get smart design and value for money which is what Apple's regular customer is all about.
So in that instance, Apple indulging in a vanity project to raise money for charity was commendable. But now, indulging in a vanity project in the belief that your rock-solid customer base is remotely interested in a delusionally-overpriced watch just feels completely out of touch.
I do feel Apple's starting to lose the plot. We've had a couple of flaky software releases recently that have pissed off the core customers. Now we're led to suspect it's because Apple sent its brains off on a vacation while the marketing dept went crazy dreaming-up shiny baubles for oil-rich princes and oligarchs. Just who is in charge at Apple now? I'm starting to not recognize this company.
Pricing ...
Is it just me or is the pricing of the Apple watch just insulting to the die hard Apple supporters?
I compare the Apple watch to my old digital Quartz casio I owned as a kid. You don't buy these things expecting to keep them for a long time yet Apple have priced the watch into unaffordable territory for what is a to be superceeded product.
The cheapest option is $500 in Australia. Aluminium plus a rubber band. We're getting close to iPhone 6 territory at that entry level point.
Forget Apple has a trillion million dollars in cash, forget there is probably 50 bucks of electronics inside these things, this is Tim cooks first product as CEO and I feel like he has delivered a swift kick straight into my family jewels by pricing this outside of the budget of what I consider would be reasonable for a product of this type.
Ah forget it, I'm just pissed off that I was planning to buy one but now I can't justify it.
Looking forward to hearing of some real world reviews from you guys after the 24th.
Is it just me or is the pricing of the Apple watch just insulting to the die hard Apple supporters?
I compare the Apple watch to my old digital Quartz casio I owned as a kid. You don't buy these things expecting to keep them for a long time yet Apple have priced the watch into unaffordable territory for what is a to be superceeded product.
The cheapest option is $500 in Australia. Aluminium plus a rubber band. We're getting close to iPhone 6 territory at that entry level point.
Forget Apple has a trillion million dollars in cash, forget there is probably 50 bucks of electronics inside these things, this is Tim cooks first product as CEO and I feel like he has delivered a swift kick straight into my family jewels by pricing this outside of the budget of what I consider would be reasonable for a product of this type.
Ah forget it, I'm just pissed off that I was planning to buy one but now I can't justify it.
Looking forward to hearing of some real world reviews from you guys after the 24th.
You're spot on. Yesterday was the day that Apple went cheap. The Edition is the equivalent to the 'I'm rich' app which was short lived as Apple at the time (rightfully) felt it was a fraud and had it removed. The pimping up of Apple's hardware for people with an inherent urge to show off their (often ill gotten) wealth was something that went on for some time and never reflected badly on Apple itself. The Apple I knew wouldn't have touched this with a 10 foot pole. They just made the best and most desireable products, more expensive but always good value propositions. Unbelievable that Apple has so blatantly departed from one of its core values.
Steve Jobs had a word for it: Corruption.
The new Huawai Watch will be stainless steel and have a sapphire protected display. A perfectly round display unlike the moto 360 too. Looks like a watch and much better than the candy store design apple went for.
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I think with this smartwatches whatever there value, china or asia is the new swiss and does a better job than europe/america.
I think with this smartwatches whatever there value, china or asia is the new swiss and does a better job than europe/america.
I was hoping for a sport larger model, but not for $400, I will wait and see what happens with the prices, seems a bit much even considering what the watch does, wait and see what the real time reviews are after everyone has had them for a while, so we will see however they look really nice.
Having read a few reviews from actual watch enthusiast, the price seems good for the consumer. Outside of the sport, the SS has been well received. Most of the review praise the level of detail and quality of the watch. While the price seems high for a smartwatch, a lot of reviews are pointing out the quality just from a watch standpoint, and it looks like the consumer is actually making out pretty good.
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renders and real life are also very different. The moto 360 looks great, but the renders and the actual product do look very different.
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renders and real life are also very different. The moto 360 looks great, but the renders and the actual product do look very different.
Yes! Apple is pricing themselves out of their costumer base, Just because we show loyalty they do not have to. they are a big company and they appear to looking at a new market and as everyone in business knows ( everyone is replaceable! ) I have bought Apple products since I pre-ordered the 1st gen ipod but now I'm looking at other options. I will not upgrade my 5s and will buy one of the 38mm aluminum models. by next year I will be away from apple and on to something else. I don't know what, but that is why it will be next year, need to do some researching for best value and function. who knows by then I maybe posting comments in something called Androidrumors
I was pleasantly surprised at the prices. I thought the model I wanted (SS, Milanese Loop) would be significantly higher than it actually is. Good quality watches are not cheap. People seem to be looking at these as gadgets, which they aren't. They're jewelry. As has been pointed out anyone with an iPhone 6 has most of the capabilities of this watch. No one needs one. No one will buy one because they need it. It's a luxury item that people will buy because they want one.
As for the gold I was guessing $15,000 for the entry level watch so that came in lower than expected also. Gold is very very expensive and these watches have a lot of it in them. In addition to that Apple is clearly aiming the Edition at the high end consumer of expensive fashion products. Price it too low and they won't buy it. Weird I know but there is a segment of the buying public that expects to pay top dollar for certain items. They'd be the same people who pay $40,000 for a handbag (yes, there are bags that cost that) or $500 for a silk scarf. That is who the Edition is aimed at, not us.
I also disagree with the statement made above somewhere that the under 25 year old crowd will not buy one. They will. They have the money and they don't have the financial commitments those of us in the older age groups do. Yesterday in my office, where most of the people working for me are young, there was a lot of talk about which model everyone was planning to get. The only complaints I heard on price were from the ones who had hoped to get the black stainless with the link band. That one was priced higher than a lot wanted to pay. They're choosing other models, not deciding not to buy one at all.
As for the gold I was guessing $15,000 for the entry level watch so that came in lower than expected also. Gold is very very expensive and these watches have a lot of it in them. In addition to that Apple is clearly aiming the Edition at the high end consumer of expensive fashion products. Price it too low and they won't buy it. Weird I know but there is a segment of the buying public that expects to pay top dollar for certain items. They'd be the same people who pay $40,000 for a handbag (yes, there are bags that cost that) or $500 for a silk scarf. That is who the Edition is aimed at, not us.
I also disagree with the statement made above somewhere that the under 25 year old crowd will not buy one. They will. They have the money and they don't have the financial commitments those of us in the older age groups do. Yesterday in my office, where most of the people working for me are young, there was a lot of talk about which model everyone was planning to get. The only complaints I heard on price were from the ones who had hoped to get the black stainless with the link band. That one was priced higher than a lot wanted to pay. They're choosing other models, not deciding not to buy one at all.
Don't forget that you also have to pay for the band. That is seperate. $649 is just for the core watch. Not the band.
You could always carry it in your pocket for $649.
More like they know the market will bear it.
While the arguments that a smartwatch will not have anywhere near the longevity of a mechanical watch will likely ring true, Apple does not appear to be marketing the Edition Model as piece of technology, but as a piece of fine jewelry that has technology in it. And Apple is pricing the Edition similar to mechanical watch brands that market themselves as fine jewelry where the gold models are many, many multiples of the steel models just because it's gold and not steel, even if those watches also have actual gold content whose value is just a fraction of the list price compared to the value of the steel version.
Don't forget that you also have to pay for the band. That is seperate. $649 is just for the core watch. Not the band.
You could always carry it in your pocket for $649.
$649 includes the band. All the prices quoted for the watches include the band shown. I didn't look at the Edition so that may be different but the Sport models all include two bands in the box (two sizes of the band you choose) and the SS include one band.
What are you talking about? I have owned Gear 2, S and Moto 360. I ended up selling each of them. NOT due to functionality but the fact they are not for people who hold their phone as much as I do. For the cost of each of them, which is easily $200 less than the Apple Watch, I could not justify the cost. The best benefit for me was when I got home I could sit phone down and do things around the house and still get stuff from my phone in another room. The Gear S I got a tab more use at work in say meetings with the ability to respond on the native keyboard when I got a text. I bought a prepaid sim for it where I could leave my phone anywhere and my Note 4 would forward to the watch.
The reason i could not justify the cost is I own several Movado's and a nice Tag that will hold their value far longer than 17 months.
The posts in this thread are disturbing. To say the least.
No these smart-watches are not jewelry. They are dressed up gadgets. Jewelry does are not obsolete in five years time. Hence the difference. It has no similarities to a good quality Swiss Automatic time piece that is put together by hand and lasts a lifetime. None what so ever.
Being in the industry, and working with companies including Apple, Samsung, LG, Mercedes, GM and working with their marketing departments, let me say Apple is making the worst decision of their existence with the pricing on these 'gadgets'.
I am not just some random poster on this forum. I actually work in the industry you read so much about, but I am also a fan of Apple products, their philosophy, and thinking about how their products should be used and by whom.
Previous to yesterdays announcement, Apple were prices on the high end but you got what you paid for generally. A good quality product. You were included in the Apple 'club' with millions of others who love and enjoy their product to enrich their lives, and felt a common camaraderie with other Apple users and the company.
We know this because we do and did studies with Apple users by Apple to gauge their trust in the company and to get a handle on how Apple users feel about their Apple products and the people who use them.
Yesterday all of that was literally swopped aside in favor or Apple taking on the stance of a 'luxury' brand. Since it's existance Apple was 'for the people' who cared about how the product effected it users and how they felt about the company. They treated all it's users 'equally' That is still true today, but with a added 'class' of product. There fore all its users are not treated as such.
Before the Apple watch, every user was the same. Sure there were better macbooks, better options, etc. Say if I bought a iphone, I know my iphone is the same as any persons, say a Zuckerberg for he has a iphone so do I.
I have a macbook so does he, mine might not be as fast, or have as much memory, but I still had the same macbook as him.
Not that is not the case. If you want a Apple watch, a mid tier Apple watch that will cost you over a thousand. If you want a high end Apple watch that will cost you $10000!
It has created a 'class' warfare within Apple culture so to speak. Something that did not exist until yesterday.
I know how they came up with their prices. Same as the watch industry. That was their first mistake. As it is not a fine piece of jewelry. Their second mistake was pricing them as much as a Rolex or Omega for cost per year over the lifetime of the product or it's EOL.
Example: Average price of a Omega is 5000 *20 (EOL) years would be $250 per year over 20 years. This is how they price their timepieces. Not retail mind you but by the company.
A Tissot for example: average costs is $800 over 7.5 years (EOL) would be around $110 a year give or take. This is not a calculation on how long the watch will last, but on how long you keep the watch before you upgrade to a better one.
The Tissot will last as long as the Omega a lifetime. EOL is based on how long before you either buy another of the same brand or upgrade, which ever is first in the watch industry.
No the average price of the Apple watch is around say $800. And that is being generous. The EOL predicted by industry analysis and probably the bench mark Apple also uses would be $800*3 years (EOL) would be around $270! Higher than a omega and probably closer to a Rolex.
Yes they are pricing a gadget with the same formula as a fine time piece. Hence your prices.
Look for a massive price adjustment like the first gen iphone that went from $600 to $400. Look for the steel watch to sell with the band or the combined price to be closer to the $600 to $700 range for both. Look for the Sport model to be priced $300 to $400 for both on this gen or the next gen apple watch. Pricing on the sport model shouldnt change much or at all currently. There will be a price adjustment. Trust me.
To say Steve would have never stood for this is a understatement. He is probably turning in his grave. Apple has lost it's way. And lets hope they get back on track and not go further down the rabbit hole.
No these smart-watches are not jewelry. They are dressed up gadgets. Jewelry does are not obsolete in five years time. Hence the difference. It has no similarities to a good quality Swiss Automatic time piece that is put together by hand and lasts a lifetime. None what so ever.
Being in the industry, and working with companies including Apple, Samsung, LG, Mercedes, GM and working with their marketing departments, let me say Apple is making the worst decision of their existence with the pricing on these 'gadgets'.
I am not just some random poster on this forum. I actually work in the industry you read so much about, but I am also a fan of Apple products, their philosophy, and thinking about how their products should be used and by whom.
Previous to yesterdays announcement, Apple were prices on the high end but you got what you paid for generally. A good quality product. You were included in the Apple 'club' with millions of others who love and enjoy their product to enrich their lives, and felt a common camaraderie with other Apple users and the company.
We know this because we do and did studies with Apple users by Apple to gauge their trust in the company and to get a handle on how Apple users feel about their Apple products and the people who use them.
Yesterday all of that was literally swopped aside in favor or Apple taking on the stance of a 'luxury' brand. Since it's existance Apple was 'for the people' who cared about how the product effected it users and how they felt about the company. They treated all it's users 'equally' That is still true today, but with a added 'class' of product. There fore all its users are not treated as such.
Before the Apple watch, every user was the same. Sure there were better macbooks, better options, etc. Say if I bought a iphone, I know my iphone is the same as any persons, say a Zuckerberg for he has a iphone so do I.
I have a macbook so does he, mine might not be as fast, or have as much memory, but I still had the same macbook as him.
Not that is not the case. If you want a Apple watch, a mid tier Apple watch that will cost you over a thousand. If you want a high end Apple watch that will cost you $10000!
It has created a 'class' warfare within Apple culture so to speak. Something that did not exist until yesterday.
I know how they came up with their prices. Same as the watch industry. That was their first mistake. As it is not a fine piece of jewelry. Their second mistake was pricing them as much as a Rolex or Omega for cost per year over the lifetime of the product or it's EOL.
Example: Average price of a Omega is 5000 *20 (EOL) years would be $250 per year over 20 years. This is how they price their timepieces. Not retail mind you but by the company.
A Tissot for example: average costs is $800 over 7.5 years (EOL) would be around $110 a year give or take. This is not a calculation on how long the watch will last, but on how long you keep the watch before you upgrade to a better one.
The Tissot will last as long as the Omega a lifetime. EOL is based on how long before you either buy another of the same brand or upgrade, which ever is first in the watch industry.
No the average price of the Apple watch is around say $800. And that is being generous. The EOL predicted by industry analysis and probably the bench mark Apple also uses would be $800*3 years (EOL) would be around $270! Higher than a omega and probably closer to a Rolex.
Yes they are pricing a gadget with the same formula as a fine time piece. Hence your prices.
Look for a massive price adjustment like the first gen iphone that went from $600 to $400. Look for the steel watch to sell with the band or the combined price to be closer to the $600 to $700 range for both. Look for the Sport model to be priced $300 to $400 for both on this gen or the next gen apple watch. Pricing on the sport model shouldnt change much or at all currently. There will be a price adjustment. Trust me.
To say Steve would have never stood for this is a understatement. He is probably turning in his grave. Apple has lost it's way. And lets hope they get back on track and not go further down the rabbit hole.
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I disagree. Mark Zuckerberg may buy the Edition (actually, he probably won't -- I think it's pretty tacky and he's classier than that) but he'll still have the same watch as me. Sure, his case and strap will be different, but the processor and OS and images on the screen will be the same as mine.
That's one of the reasons it's easy for me to "settle" for a Sport. Sure, the SS is shiny, but it's basically the same watch.
No it does not. Price depends on the band you choose with the watch, yes it comes with a band, one that you choose at different price points. One doesnt just come in the box. The one that comes in the box will be the one you choose.
I was being facious if you dont know not literal.
Then why are you buying the watch? You are supporting the bull and self praising with your wallet. iSheep
I'm buying the watch because I want a smart watch and obviously the Apple Watch works best with my 6 Plus.... iSheep I am definitely not though. If the Moto 360 was fully-functioning with iOS, I'd buy one TODAY.