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I've got a Tissot stainless steel and sapphire crystal watch. The SS is scratched all around the watch face, but the sapphire is as good as the day I got it - 8 years ago. I'm a bit clumsy perhaps, so my watch has been banged up against brick walls, scratched on concrete, etc. and whilst the SS is now 'burnished', the sapphire is unbelievably scratch free. Still amazes me how it survives...

needless to say, I'm considering the SS Apple Watch and not the aluminium sports edition...
 
Actually it is ambiguous and the :apple:Watch site clearly stated that the Sport does't have a ceramic coating before it was updated. Also you can read this on the :apple:Watch backs. The Sport says "Composite" which means no coating.

Also the reason the Sport is lighter is because the case is made of aluminum. Any difference in weight between the sapphire and glass crystal is negligible and would likely be a fraction of a gram.

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So you're saying that the watch does have a ceramic back?

From Apple's website:

For Apple Watch, we created a new alloy — 7000 Series aluminium — that’s 60 per cent stronger than standard alloys. Yet it’s very light. Together with the Ion-X glass covering the display, it makes the Sport collection watches up to 30 per cent lighter than our stainless steel models. It’s also exceptionally pure, with a beautifully consistent appearance that’s difficult to achieve with traditional aluminium alloys.

To keep the Sport collection models as light as possible, we used an alumina-silicate glass that’s especially resistant to scratches and impact. It’s fortified at the molecular level through ion exchange, with smaller ions being replaced by larger ones to create a surface layer far tougher than ordinary glass.

http://www.apple.com/uk/watch/apple-watch-sport/

And I take it back as the photos on Apples website show a 'composite back' and not a ceramic one.
 
So you're saying that the watch does have a ceramic back?

From Apple's website:

For Apple Watch, we created a new alloy — 7000 Series aluminium — that’s 60 per cent stronger than standard alloys. Yet it’s very light. Together with the Ion-X glass covering the display, it makes the Sport collection watches up to 30 per cent lighter than our stainless steel models. It’s also exceptionally pure, with a beautifully consistent appearance that’s difficult to achieve with traditional aluminium alloys.

To keep the Sport collection models as light as possible, we used an alumina-silicate glass that’s especially resistant to scratches and impact. It’s fortified at the molecular level through ion exchange, with smaller ions being replaced by larger ones to create a surface layer far tougher than ordinary glass.

http://www.apple.com/uk/watch/apple-watch-sport/

And I take it back as the photos on Apples website show a 'composite back' and not a ceramic one.

The Apple Watch SS has the ceramic back, the sport doesn't.

Do higher end watches use the same type 316L stainless steel?
 
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Still puzzled why Apple have not done a Titanium version.

Perhaps they have left this open so they can offer a Titanium model next year or in the near future, to add a bit more "wow" in the range.

There is not a hell of a lot of difference in machining Titanium vs Stainless, in fact Titanium can cut nicer, as it chips away very well, Stainless can be a bit chewy.

Price wise it's negligible from a metal point of view.

Titanium body & Straps may be for the future :)
 
Still puzzled why Apple have not done a Titanium version.

Perhaps they have left this open so they can offer a Titanium model next year or in the near future, to add a bit more "wow" in the range.

There is not a hell of a lot of difference in machining Titanium vs Stainless, in fact Titanium can cut nicer, as it chips away very well, Stainless can be a bit chewy.

Price wise it's negligible from a metal point of view.

Titanium body & Straps may be for the future :)

Maybe we'll have a repeat of the iPhone 5/5s coating change. Maybe the SS will end up being like the 'Slate' colour where it keeps chipping and they'll swap it to a better metal, In this case Titanium for Gen2?
 
Maybe we'll have a repeat of the iPhone 5/5s coating change. Maybe the SS will end up being like the 'Slate' colour where it keeps chipping and they'll swap it to a better metal, In this case Titanium for Gen2?

There have been countless numbers of watches made from 316L stainless steel, why do you think Apple's attempt to use the same material will be unsuccessful?
 
Well, if it's highly polished 316L, then yes.

You will get a great shine, but it's not very hard, and anything abrasive will very easily put surface scratches into the surface.

It's STRONG, not Hard.

We use it for Medical Implants and have to give it a flawless shine so no dirt! can be in a scratch when it's placed inside your body.

Obviously in your body you want it to be super strong, not hard and brittle

Great insight, thanks!
 
There have been countless numbers of watches made from 316L stainless steel, why do you think Apple's attempt to use the same material will be unsuccessful?

Not necessarily, but if there's persistent issues with that type of steel, then it could be changed.
 
There isn't, I own a few watches made from it and I've had no problems.

I have a Tissot made of one, and it has light side scratching, but nothing major.

All I was saying was that if for any reason there was a problem with it, the Titanium could come along to replace it.
 
There have been countless numbers of watches made from 316L stainless steel, why do you think Apple's attempt to use the same material will be unsuccessful?

You must of misunderstood.

I have not for 1 second said Apple would be unsuccessful at a 316L Stainless Watch.

I simply said, it would be nice, and given the publics special view of it, to also have a Titanium version as it can give a different look to Stainless, and also less weighty, whilst being very strong.

The only real comment I made other than that, is that Stainless scratches very easy. We buff & polish it by hand to the same mirror shine as the Apple watch, and after polishing to an immaculate perfect by eye finish, we have to wrap them in protective socks (not socks for your feet!) as it will damage and mark very easily and any marks will really show up against a mirror finish, then the customer will reject them and send them back to us.
 
You must of misunderstood.

I was answering another member who thought that 316L might not be up to the job.

I agree that stainless steel watches can scratch but I wouldn't say they scratch easily. Titanium watches can also scratch and if you want a totally scratch free finish you would need to start looking at ceramics for the case.
 
I was answering another member who thought that 316L might not be up to the job.

I agree that stainless steel watches can scratch but I wouldn't say they scratch easily. Titanium watches can also scratch and if you want a totally scratch free finish you would need to start looking at ceramics for the case.

ok :)

Well, it's hard to say, it really depends what rubs up against them.
If it's cloth and fabrics, perhaps some wood etc.

A piece of scotchbright will scratch it with just one stroke or anything abrasive or another piece of metal.

Just that people seem to have this odd notion that stainless steel is some amazing hard substance. :)

It's nice, It's shiny and it's very good against your skin, allergy wise. So it's a fine material.

And also yes, Titanium will scratch also of course.

It's just lighter, very strong, and has a look some like :)
 
And also yes, Titanium will scratch also of course.

It's just lighter, very strong, and has a look some like :)


Oh the good ol' TiBook. My favorite Mac. Although I never even owned one :D
 

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Any polished watch will scratch easily!

My $6500 Panerai 111 is stainless steel and has tons of hairlines and a few gouges in it in its casing! Also it's Sapphire has a scratch due to me rubbing against brick wall while in Italy! Also it's stainless steel buckle has lots of scratches! Not to mention the scratches I placed on it it while changing straps!

My $3500 Omega Planet Ocean which is stainless steel has a few dings from swimming pools and tons of scratches and hairline scratches on its casing and band!

It's almost impossible to keep a watch scratch free if you wear it. Just be prepared!
 
Stainless Steel - does it scratch?

Does anyone know how durable stainless steel is? I'm wondering if this will scratch like those original iPod's did - the backs of those things looked terrible after a very short period of time (they were made of aluminum not stainless steel - right?)

I also wonder if Apple will provide a polishing service like many of the better watch stores do.
 
Does anyone know how durable stainless steel is? I'm wondering if this will scratch like those original iPod's did - the backs of those things looked terrible after a very short period of time (they were made of aluminum not stainless steel - right?)

I also wonder if Apple will provide a polishing service like many of the better watch stores do.

It will scratch - But the alloy they're using is much harder than what was in the iPod i believe. That one was also polished to a mirror, something these aren't.
If it's just small surface scratches, then it's not too hard to re-polish.
 
316L is a very common stainless for use in watches. We'll have to see about the 'cold forged' bit, and see if it makes a real-world difference in scratch-ability.

I expect the SS Apple Watch to scratch quite easily - I have a couple mirror-polished SS watches, and they scratch readily. The good news is that 90% of the visible scratches are on the bracelet, rather than the watch itself.

Similarly, when the watch itself does get scratched, it tends to be on the bezel or area surrounding the crystal, which is all glass/sapphire on Apple Watch.

Thus, I don't really expect the scratching to be much of an issue. Maybe if you run the side of the watch into a door or something, but otherwise, the sides shouldn't see much wear - bracelet and bezel take 95% of the wear for a normal watch.

Given the wrap-around no-bezel design of the Apple Watch crystal, I'd expect the crystal to take a lot of wear. Unless the Ion-X glass turns out to be amazingly scratch-resistant, this will be a big positive for the models offering Sapphire, especially if you intend to keep the watch a while.

The good news on SS is that it's not very likely to bend, ding or gouge under normal conditions, so you may have some surface scratches, but even in heavy use you probably won't have major damage.

Anodized Aluminum wears very easily, and is prone to scratches, and we'll have to see about the Ion-X glass in the Sport model. The aluminum body will accept scratches, dings, gouges etc. pretty easily, for sure.

My guess is that for many people, the Sport models will look pretty beat up in a year or two - given normal upgrade cycles, that may or may not be a problem.

In response to the person above who mentioned Titanium - titanium is incredibly strong, but it's VERY soft - it scratches like crazy, and I've seen titanium watches that look almost 'melted' after a few years - all the high points are worn down and curved. It's a great material, but not at all scratch-resistant.

My final thought on scratching - the Black SS models are going to be DLC (Diamond-like Carbon) coated, which is fantastic (hard to imagine it not costing extra). DLC coating is *very* scratch-resistant, as it's effectively a coating of little blobs of diamond. If you're worried about scratches, the DLC-coating is the way to go.

The downside is that it can eventually be worn off of high-wear points to show the underlying material, or (more often) knocked off a small section of the steel by an impact. My current DLC-over-SS watch looks perfect, except for one tiny spot on the bezel where the DLC is missing.

I have no info on the Edition materials, so I won't attempt to speak to them at all.

Long story short - the Aluminum models will be by FAR the least durable. It remains to be seen how that plays out and whether it really matters in real life, especially given a probable use-life of just a few years.

The bare SS models should be the most-durable over the long term, but in the middle in terms of scratch-resistance.

The DLC-coated SS models are in the middle for long-term durability - you'll see bare SS in any location the DLC is worn/knocked off - but the best for scratch-resistance.

Again, given the relatively short expected life of an Apple Watch, if the pricing isn't insane, I'll probably be getting a DLC-coated Black SS.
 
I have a Breitling Superocean that I've worn nearly every day for the last 4 years or so. I've banged it into doors, walls, trees, you name it. If you wear a watch, expect it to get some character over time. I have been blown away by the durability of the sapphire though. So many times I will knock into something and cringe and check the watch and the sapphire is flawless. The stainless bracelet shows signs of use (working a desk job, my wrist rests on my desk quite a bit), and the case has some nicks and dings.

Watches are meant to be worn. Enjoy the patina, this obsession with keeping stuff pristine (iphone screen covers, cases, sleeves, etc) has kinda gotten out of hand. I was sad to sell my iPhone 5 because the black anodizing had worn off in a bunch of places and made it distinctly mine.
 
I have machined both anodized aluminum and 316 stainless. the aluminum is soft but a little more crisp ( at the end of the cut a small piece could break off ) where as the stainless is a gummy metal (it will bend rather than break off ) both are rather soft but the Apple site says it has been forged hardened and I'm going to assume it has been compressed for a tighter grain. I'm also going to assume its been work hardened as stainless has very little iron in it ( a magnet will not stick to most stainless steels )
 
I never had any scratching problems with Apple’s aluminium products, but that is also because I always put them into pockets without coins/keys and onto soft surfaces (like resting my iPhone on my wallet instead of directly on top of a table).

The stainless steel back of the iPod scratches despite me doing all of this. Kinda worried about the stainless steel Watch for this reason, and wonder if I should just go for the Space Black one for the DLC (which I’ve read would wear off too, so I guess it’s kinda the same problem :rolleyes:).
 
Stainless steel scratch?

Hi Guys,

So in past Apple products that have been "stainless steel" with that mirror finish, it's always been a scratch magnet. iPod classic, ipod Touch 2 etc. Do we think this 316L will make a difference? Any experts here?
 
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