High precision NASA plans to prepare a marathon are here to give confidence...
I personally don't believe plans that require to run 4km at 4.05 - 140bpm ...
It's false science
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I personally don't believe plans that require to run 4km at 4.05 - 140bpm ...
It's false science
Oh, that is not true. If you try to pace a race to be as close as possible to your best possible pace you can sustain until the end, it is a good idea to have a look at your heart rate. If you are already at >90% of your max heart rate in the first 5km it is better to take the foot off the pedal.
And I know there are many factors that influence your heart rate (e.g. temperature) so it is not my primary metric but to do a sanity check it is helpful.
I have experienced more racers who did not know they are going too fast than the other way round. Most of them I have overtaken in my races. ;-).
It all depends on how you know yourself ...
It's always funny to run beside people with a "dinging" watch every 10s because they are out of some metric range.
I am not against GPS watches, apps (I am developing one
), but I am lucid, it's more a gamification of running and a way for some companies to make business than something that helps you running faster or longer.You have tons of examples of people coming from nowhere without equipment, without scientific training who perform very well just with their feeling and natural qualities.
No sensor will do better than listening to your body sensations, most of them are completely useless ...
It's just comfort.
I only agree partially. Some sensors produce values nobody can interpret and improve their training with. E.g. almost everything around what Garmin calls "Running dynamics". Stuff like Ground Contact Time Balance and such. Nice to know that this can be measured, but so what?
When listening to your body, you have to somehow rationalize what you are hearing. So some measurements can be really helpful, for me pace and heart rate and even power when running in hilly environments. I find these values especially useful in cases where measurements and your body feeling deviate heavily.
Where I agree: when it comes to racing only one thing counts: pace. Nobody won a price for having the lowest average heart rate or the best (whatever that is) stride length or cadence or whatever.
I don't think NASA is making marathon plans 😁 But to monitor the tempo and see if I am able to hit the splits on my plan is pretty important - both to know where I am and if the race plan is realistic.
I have seen (maybe I have tried it myself as well 🫨) a lot as well go out of the gate way too hot - all the atmoshphere and in that instance the watch can help to tell you it's overcooking
One of the features I am planning for my app is a kind of "blind mode".
No data on screen, it's recorded and you run free.
When you are more than a casual runner, you are able to adapt intuitively to every exercise and do it at your max without watching any data. It's the main difference with casual runners who start too fast and are burnt at half the exercise.
Training is a way to forget data and measurements.
No data on screen, it's recorded and you run free.
When you are more than a casual runner, you are able to adapt intuitively to every exercise and do it at your max without watching any data. It's the main difference with casual runners who start too fast and are burnt at half the exercise.
Training is a way to forget data and measurements.
Also, there is the Garmin Instinct 2X Solar which is Garmin their smartwatch if battery life is a priority and beats Suunto easily.
The Garmin Fenix 8 is not their battery champ, it's the Garmin Instinct.
No, their battery monster (as they pretend) is the Garmin Enduro 3.
No it doesn't. In smartwatch mode, the Instinct 2X Solar has unlimited battery life while Enduro 3 has 36 days. There are some people in the military who use the Garmin Instinct 2X Solar for this reason.
The Enduro has to go into "battery saving mode" in order to pull this off.
Did not know that. Thanks for the info.
Though I do not believe that this "ultimate battery life" is a thing in reality.
If the watch does nothing more than display the clock, solar energy is maybe enough.
As usual, the best way to have a great battery life is to do almost nothing.
As I said, this is in smartwatch mode, not in battery saver mode. And Garmin watches do alot more than just displaying the clock.
Next thing they are going to sell is an invisible watch for 1000 bucks that has battery lifetime until the world ends.
I posted this in WOD thread (edited for clarity).
I primarily needed a running watch, so I briefly tried Garmin FR265 for a week and it's going back. My sleep measurements were consistently bad, and since HR sensor is not as accurate on the Garmin as the Apple Watch, all the training metrics based on sleep and HR that Garmin provides is going to be less useful to me. Training options that Garmin provides seem useful, but not sure how many folks use Garmin training features on a regular basis. I like to chalk out my training plans and follow them.
I lost a lot of functionality with Garmin that was in AW - localized weather (weather in Garmin for my location is 5-10 deg off because the station used for ), calendar, Apple Pay (Garmin pay doesn't support all the cards I need). Button press tactile feedback on the Garmin is not great, double click and double un-click is an issue (common on Garmin forums), but a minor issue. Software update ended with endless hung loop, I needed Garmin Express to resolve that. That's not a big deal, but something to keep in mind.
I have a AWS10 46mm, which is light and thin to be wearing for sleep tracking for me (AWU is too big and heavy).
Things that I will miss from Garmin is the lap button, nested workouts and navigation - step by step + bread crumbs. Hopefully nested workouts with import and navigation are something is available in WOD.
I primarily needed a running watch, so I briefly tried Garmin FR265 for a week and it's going back. My sleep measurements were consistently bad, and since HR sensor is not as accurate on the Garmin as the Apple Watch, all the training metrics based on sleep and HR that Garmin provides is going to be less useful to me. Training options that Garmin provides seem useful, but not sure how many folks use Garmin training features on a regular basis. I like to chalk out my training plans and follow them.
I lost a lot of functionality with Garmin that was in AW - localized weather (weather in Garmin for my location is 5-10 deg off because the station used for ), calendar, Apple Pay (Garmin pay doesn't support all the cards I need). Button press tactile feedback on the Garmin is not great, double click and double un-click is an issue (common on Garmin forums), but a minor issue. Software update ended with endless hung loop, I needed Garmin Express to resolve that. That's not a big deal, but something to keep in mind.
I have a AWS10 46mm, which is light and thin to be wearing for sleep tracking for me (AWU is too big and heavy).
Things that I will miss from Garmin is the lap button, nested workouts and navigation - step by step + bread crumbs. Hopefully nested workouts with import and navigation are something is available in WOD.
I am doing a lot of nested workouts. You can design them with Final Surge (free) and sync them to Apple Training app. Works fine. Have my workout library there and Final Surge also has a great feature to base your pace goals on pace zones and not absolute values. So if you improve or get worse, you do not have to edit all workouts, instead just adapt your pace zones.
Was nagging the WOD author for years but it seemed to me I am the only guy doing nested workouts.
Smartwatch mode means nothing.
I don't believe infinite battery life with a real smartwatch usage.
Smartwatch usage includes network connectivity, calls, music, gps, bluetooth, all health sensors active, reading messages, notifications, and a lot more things a Garmin is not able to do.
Two nested loops. Never seen more than two though.
Famous example is the HIIT 30-20-10 workout:
Code:
Warmup
Repeat 3 Times
Repeat 5 Times
Jog 30 Seconds
Run Threshold Pace 20 Seconds
Sprint 10 Seconds
End Repeat
Jog 3 Minutes
End Repeat
CooldownTypically all the workouts you do repeating sets.
Final Surge is "flattening" such workouts when syncing to Apple Training (as they do not support nested loops) so the resulting workout above consists of 3 interval blocks (with 5 repeats each). Hope it is understandable what i mean.
I'm going to leave this thread now because it is totally clear you guys have absolutely no clue what you are talking about if you think a Garmin watch cannot do any of this.
Believe what you want, but I used to own an Instinct solar when I was in the field all the time for work…I charged it maybe 4 times/yr because all day in the Sun left me at 100%.
I didn’t own the Instinct to make calls, listen to music, etc. Notifications for calls and texts were on. All sensors were active (pulse ox during sleep only).
I don’t use my AW for calls, app notifications, music, Apple Pay, etc., either.
I do not. Most advanced marathon training plans (e.g Pfitzinger) have such set based workouts.