The Bendguy Cheated You Again.

[Surf Monkey]

So what you're saying is that you never shift your weight when you sit. And that you always spread your weight out through soft tissue and never from bone->chair. OK...

You really think you're putting 70 pounds of force through the tip of your pelvis into the three inches or so of iPhone in your pocket? Really?

 

[saab9573]

So what you're saying is that you never shift your weight when you sit. And that you always spread your weight out through soft tissue and never from bone->chair. OK...

do you sit with your legs dangling in the air? are you a Hobbit?

isnt half of your body weight being spread to the ground through your legs and feet?

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You really think you're putting 70 pounds of force through the tip of your pelvis into the three inches or so of iPhone in your pocket? Really?

these fandroids are losing the plot..

in order to justify the few cases of bent phones, most of them done on purpose, they r coming up with the most amazing and impossible stories.

how sad

 

[Surf Monkey]

and the 7 Phill Schiller saw makes 9

/s

I don't know how many there are. Im not a genius

That's exactly my point. You're assuming that there were a bunch of them and acting accordingly. So are a bunch of people. But there is no evidence of bends in every day use. As I said, I'm aware of a grand total of two reported here. Do you think two bent phones warrants this level of uproar? When Antennagate was happening practically everyone with an iPhone 5 could easily replicate the problem. In this case? Two.

Kinda speaks volumes IMO.

 

[Zxxv]

You really think you're putting 70 pounds of force through the tip of your pelvis into the three inches or so of iPhone in your pocket? Really?

Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world - Archimedes

 

[Surf Monkey]

Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world - Archimedes

Maybe you should post that a few more times.

Not much purchase for your lever in a pocket. And unless you're carrying around marbles to use as a fulcrum... well, I'd say your quote isn't as apt as you imagine.

 

[Zxxv]

Maybe you should post that a few more times.

Not much purchase for your lever in a pocket. And unless you're carrying around marbles to use as a fulcrum... well, I'd say your quote isn't as apt as you imagine.

It makes sense to me totally. In simple terms. Ever had a phone feel pressed or uncomfortable in your pocket? thats a fulcrum and a lever being created. The resulting force transfers. If it is long enough and meets a weakness its as the quote

Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world - Archimedes

 

[saab9573]

That's exactly my point. You're assuming that there were a bunch of them and acting accordingly. So are a bunch of people. But there is no evidence of bends in every day use. As I said, I'm aware of a grand total of two reported here. Do you think two bent phones warrants this level of uproar? When Antennagate was happening practically everyone with an iPhone 5 could easily replicate the problem. In this case? Two.

Kinda speaks volumes IMO.

I don't think there's a uproar right now.

The mainstream press has stopped that story since the Unbox Therapy guy's videos seem a bit shady, and with the lack of Average Joes out there with bent iPhone 6 from regular usage the press lost their interest in continuing running that story.

what you now see is mainly a mix of fandroids and Samsung employees trying to keep the story alive by flooding Apple forums etc.

This will be the most sold and most popular phone of all times and Samsung will have a big chunk of their profit gone when they release their end of year statements...

 

[Inframan]

Has anyone seen this video yet? Is this really Apples stress test facility?

 

[ToroidalZeus]

It makes sense to me totally. In simple terms. Ever had a phone feel pressed or uncomfortable in your pocket? thats a fulcrum and a lever being created. The resulting force transfers. If it is long enough and meets a weakness its as the quote

Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world - Archimedes

nice quote but in real life your lever would break before it even moves the world 1nm.

if you wanna bend the phone by sitting on it. place it on the corner of a corner of a concrete bench, then jump on top of it, maybe it'll bend. Besides being really comfortable that'd be abuse.

 

[saab9573]

Has anyone seen this video yet? Is this really Apples stress test facility?

YouTube: video​

yeah. The Verge got access to it by invitation last week.

 

[Mercenary]

I've just returned my new car because I kicked the door... and it bent

 

[Erasmus]

Give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum on which to place it, and I shall move the world - Archimedes

Uh-huh...

And the lever is???
And the fulcrum is???

Just because you can quote someone who noticed the water level in a bath rises when they got in it, doesn't make you appear any smarter. It's just annoying, and not even relevant.

Anyways, seeing as I actually have studied engineering and physics, I did some moment calcs. If the iPhone 6+ can take 90 lbf in its centre, but fails just below the volume button, that means if the load was applied AT the weak point, it could still take around 67.5 lbf. But the critical part is that would correspond to a 45 lbf reaction force at the top edge of the device. At an absolute minimum.

Is that force possible to apply when it's in someone's back pocket of a pair of skinny jeans, and they sit on a hard chair? Possibly.

How about in someone's front pocket? Probably not without a lot of pain, as it would be 20 kilograms of force applied to a very small area of your leg. i.e., Ouch Time.

My subjective opinion is that it is not reasonable to expect Apple to design their phones to be willingly sat on. Despite owning many pairs of jeans with rear pockets, I don't think I have ever used them, because i don't want to damage the things I own by sitting on them, and it would be uncomfortable anyway.

And no, I don't own an iPhone 6+, but I do own a HTC.

 

[TroyBoy30]

i guarantee you i can bend any phone, even the note 3. id be happy to start a fund to cover the cost of the devices so i can prove it

 

[geoff5093]

You guys will stop at nothing to try and prove the iPhone 6 Plus is not weak, it's sad.

The One M8 is in the same boat, bending is just a problem with all aluminum phones. They look great, but they are weak and can't recover the same way as plastic.

 

[saab9573]

i guarantee you i can bend any phone, even the note 3. id be happy to start a fund to cover the cost of the devices so i can prove it

Apple should do it.

remember after antennagate they showed every other phone could be made to lose signal.

LOL

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You guys will stop at nothing to try and prove the iPhone 6 Plus is not weak, it's sad.

The One M8 is in the same boat, bending is just a problem with all aluminum phones. They look great, but they are weak and can't recover the same way as plastic.

it's not weak under normal usage.

apply some force and moment with intent and it it will break, like any other phone would under those conditions.

what people are trying to defend is there's still to come forward a genuine case of someone having a bent phone in the front pocket of jeans or pants...

 

[Zxxv]

Uh-huh...

And the lever is???
And the fulcrum is???

Just because you can quote someone who noticed the water level in a bath rises when they got in it, doesn't make you appear any smarter. It's just annoying, and not even relevant.

Anyways, seeing as I actually have studied engineering and physics, I did some moment calcs. If the iPhone 6+ can take 90 lbf in its centre, but fails just below the volume button, that means if the load was applied AT the weak point, it could still take around 67.5 lbf. But the critical part is that would correspond to a 45 lbf reaction force at the top edge of the device. At an absolute minimum.

Is that force possible to apply when it's in someone's back pocket of a pair of skinny jeans, and they sit on a hard chair? Possibly.

How about in someone's front pocket? Probably not without a lot of pain, as it would be 20 kilograms of force applied to a very small area of your leg. i.e., Ouch Time.

My subjective opinion is that it is not reasonable to expect Apple to design their phones to be willingly sat on. Despite owning many pairs of jeans with rear pockets, I don't think I have ever used them, because i don't want to damage the things I own by sitting on them, and it would be uncomfortable anyway.

And no, I don't own an iPhone 6+, but I do own a HTC.

You make no mention of lever or fulcrum in your calculation based on the internal fulcrum and lever. Only external force.

Ps. I did engineering too. you say you studied but don't mention qualifying.

 

[bruinsrme]

this guy puts his phone in his back pocket and sits on a soft sofa and a hard chair several times over..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8E9xlGbZaA

nothing happpens...explain!?

Front pocket
Being shorter my pants pockets (Levi's) are not as deep as longer legged sizes. The IP6+ comes in contact with my belt. the phone becomes wedged between my belt and thigh and the top of the pocket stresses the area right around the buttons. The best buy case helps as the rubberized edges prevent the phone from sliding out of my pocket.

Back pocket. Normally I don't place the phone in the back pocket.
Watching this video I noticed the person is sitting in a non back supporting piece of furniture. this allows the phone to transition from being vertical to horizontal without any interference. Sitting on a chair with a back would probably yield different results.
Personally I don't think its a -gate of sort I just think the iPhone may be more susceptible to bend than others.

 

[Erasmus]

You guys will stop at nothing to try and prove the iPhone 6 Plus is not weak, it's sad.

And you seem to be stopping at nothing to try and prove that it is weak.

The difference is that one side just have to prove that it's strong enough to withstand reasonable treatment, and have some reasonably scientifically rigorous numerical results that show that it is. You on the other hand need to prove that it is NOT strong enough, but only have subjective evidence.

 

[uwdude]

I'm REALLY tempted to bend a Moto X on camera and post it as a reply to his YouTube channel. Really tempted. The only thing keeping me is wasting $600 or however much a Moto X costs. Maybe somebody has already done that, haven't checked.

 

[Erasmus]

You make no mention of lever or fulcrum in your calculation based on the internal fulcrum and lever. Only external force.

The fulcrum point is irrelevant. The lever arm is obviously the distance between the point of applied force, and the ends of the phone. Simple supported beam analysis, high school stuff. Also happens to be the absolute worst-case scenario, as any real-world loading would involve distributed loads, significantly decreasing the maximum bending moment.

Ps. I did engineering too. you say you studied but don't mention qualifying.

Oooh, SNAP!!! I'm gonna go cry now. </sarcasm>

 

[sk1wbw]

I doubt there ever will be a video that the Apologists will not discredit

Good luck in the crusade against this bloke!

What about the ones showing damn near every cell being bent to the point of breaking? What about those? Here's a hint: if you break a phone, it will break. If you 100 pounds of pressure on only end of a phone, it will bend.

 

[MH01]

Right. And by the same token if everyone doesn't take the word of some guy with a YouTube account as the gospel truth they're all "apologists."

People who live in glass houses...

ummmm nope. Apologists are the ones that are defending any evidence that comes up, the YouTube bloke is only one example.

I don't take the YouTube guys word as gospel, I think he put in alot of effort to achieve the "shock" video that got him all the hits - so not normal use. I also believe this is by far the least durable Iphone ever. I am more worried about the people who said theirs bent in their pockets.

 

[acctman]

don't give that guy more youtube clicks/views...

 

[Erasmus]

don't give that guy more youtube clicks/views...

This times 1000.

I'm happy to say that I haven't and have no intention to.

I don't need to watch someone butcher the scientific method in order to get some fast cash. Especially not when there's people who have actually done a proper analysis using controlled test conditions.

 

[GoSh4rks]

do you sit with your legs dangling in the air? are you a Hobbit?

isnt half of your body weight being spread to the ground through your legs and feet?

You've never picked up your both of your feet to place them on a footrest or coffee table? Never spun around in a swivel chair while picking up your feet? Never leaned to one side so that you're only sitting on one half of your body? Never sat on a hard bar stool? All regular scenarios, I would think.

You really think you're putting 70 pounds of force through the tip of your pelvis into the three inches or so of iPhone in your pocket? Really?

Why is that so hard to believe? 70 pounds is nothing, not to mention any lever action that could be possible.