The rMini does look a bit washed out and less vibrant by comparison. Thanks for posting that!
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The rMini does look a bit washed out and less vibrant by comparison. Thanks for posting that!
It's sort of this, it's sort of not. It extends far beyond how deep your reds are, or how rich your blues (both of which, by the way, are too soft). Blacks are obviously dark grays instead of the inky blacks on the Air and even 5S, and the whites are cooler, but slightly tinted. I think the Air generally has the better screen, if it does perhaps over saturate the colors. The Mini's screen is washed out, which somewhat bothers me, and I think the imminent reviews will take notice. Like the difference between the iPhone 5's display and the iPod Touch: both were the same Retina at 4", but one was clearly superior in color output.
Logged in just to say how great that was. That may also be the best way to describe Laguna Seca Blue I've ever heard.
Also thanks for the calibration feedback, it's about time someone brought some science to this discussion.
It looks washed out to me. The reds arent reds...when building apps its gets very annoying when the colors of the device dont stay true to the colors they are supposed to be.
and it has a wide gamut of "apologists" complaining about the people who show concern for a less-than-great iPad Mini Retina (low gamut and yellow tint) and iPad Air (yellow bar/yellow tint) display.
Huh? When building apps you have to target at least all the way back to the iPad 2 and non retina mini?
I would think trying to target colors on apps is about a futile as color images on the web.....you do your best knowing most people have a sh**y display.
-Kevin
zboater, the funniest of the apologists. All one has to do is read any 3 of your post on MR and it is completely obvious your words are influenced by something other than facts.
If the screens were great, all these threads would not exist.
You think?
Apple never claimed that the rMini should meet any certain gamut specs....so beyond what people "want", complaining is all just personal preference. If you THINK it should be better, then complain....but in the end you'll likely just have to move on.
As for the yellow tints, grey lines, pink/greens etc....if someone has those then I venture that those aren't (shouldn't) be normal.
-Kevin
Yeah it's apparent you never read the first paragraph of your link. I know what a troll is and you are by definition living up to that name. But thanks for reassuring us of your ignorance.
The Color Gamut Thread
It's not and the detail is probably bad focus on the iPhone. The color is more true on the full size. My car is a unique color.
This is not my image it's from VW vortex, bear in mind I took that parking lot shot with a 3GS in mid day sun. I promise I'll do a real shoot out. It's probably going to be tomorrow. I'll put them on a white board at f11 and focus manually with spot metering and a custom white balance. It just takes a. Bit of time and I had clients today and physical therapy.
Glad it was helpful! When I had my lsb m3 I wanted the license plate ppasmrf
When the two devices are calibrated with a spyder 4 pro and their app, it's virtually indistinguishable which means calibration.
It's not and the detail is probably bad focus on the iPhone. The color is more true on the full size. My car is a unique color.
This is not my image it's from VW vortex, bear in mind I took that parking lot shot with a 3GS in mid day sun. I promise I'll do a real shoot out. It's probably going to be tomorrow. I'll put them on a white board at f11 and focus manually with spot metering and a custom white balance. It just takes a. Bit of time and I had clients today and physical therapy.
Glad it was helpful! When I had my lsb m3 I wanted the license plate ppasmrf
When the two devices are calibrated with a spyder 4 pro and their app, it's virtually indistinguishable which means calibration.
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To me...the VW pic would go right between them....Air too saturated, rMini little bit too pale.
-Kevin
The Color Gamut Thread
Yah again that's because it's a crappy picture of the screens. Tell you what lemme find a picture that was taken with a real camera and post the differences. I've got a day to do that before nin Vegas, so I'll get on it!
Here's another random net pic of the color in different lighting (and developed clearly)
Yah again that's because it's a crappy picture of the screens. Tell you what lemme find a picture that was taken with a real camera and post the differences. I've got a day to do that before nin Vegas, so I'll get on it!
Here's another random net pic of the color in different lighting (and developed clearly)
Since you have the calibrator and both iPads. I really suggest you open a new thread for the sake of education on the differences and how it matters to photographers' workflows.
Take photos of several test images (vibrance, blackness, etc) in both iPad Photo Viewer app, then in Datacolor Gallery app.
And seemed like your earlier test proves that it's down to calibration despite the gamut range difference. Thanks for sharing.
P.S: http://rpetrich.com/cydia/colorprofiles/
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You're shooting the nin Vegas show? Lucky devil.
I'm still hoping for a European Tension tour, although it looks like it's going to be announced soon (they just announced a show in Italy, so hopefully the rest of Europe and UK to follow).
Yeah, a shame one cannot have access to an app that calibrates or allows choosing different color profiles
The Color Gamut Thread
I'm going as a fan. But will no doubt have two cameras and the joint isn't a big place.
Last time I saw them was Vegas , before that a bunch of us flew from NYC to England. As an expat it was a cheap stay for me!
When I take some good calibrated imaged I I'll share a discussion on calibration. I started as a technologist and now do both I worked for VIBE /SPIN magazines where I learned color manage my for prepress then move toward online advertising for a big ad agency green screen and what not. I have a decent history in this stuff which again is why I'm shocked I had no idea data color had a gallery app!
You're shooting the nin Vegas show? Lucky devil.
I'm going as a fan. But will no doubt have two cameras and the joint isn't a big place.
Last time I saw them was Vegas , before that a bunch of us flew from NYC to England. As an expat it was a cheap stay for me!
When I take some good calibrated imaged I I'll share a discussion on calibration. I started as a technologist and now do both I worked for VIBE /SPIN magazines where I learned color manage my for prepress then move toward online advertising for a big ad agency green screen and what not. I have a decent history in this stuff which again is why I'm shocked I had no idea data color had a gallery app!
I decided to spend time with the rMini side by side while watching videos on youtube, Netflix and flixster. No denying on my part the difference between the two devices as far as the colors.
Sorry rMini but so far out of the two devices besides other preferences and factors on my part as well, you will have to find a home elsewhere.
Sorry rMini but so far out of the two devices besides other preferences and factors on my part as well, you will have to find a home elsewhere.
Wow, typical sheep moderator behavior from MR forums - why bother to set up a forum when you censor out threads that you deem to cause people to see apple in a less than positive perspective when the facts are laid out and evidence points to apple gimping buyers on the iPad mini retina display?
Look at the anandtech review, so I was right along with many others:
"Although display resolution is no longer a concern on the mini, color gamut hasn’t changed between the old and new minis."
"The iPad mini with Retina Display has the same color gamut as the standard iPad mini, which is narrower than the iPad Air and less than the sRGB coverage we normally look for. The biggest issue here is that there are other smaller tablets in this price range that do offer sRGB coverage (e.g. Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HDX 8.9)."
From left to right: iPad Air, iPad mini with Retina Display, iPad mini
"The difference is small but apparent, particularly if you’re used to panels with full sRGB coverage like the iPad Air or any of the rMBPs/iMacs. The biggest deviations are in reds/blues and magenta in between as you can tell from the CIE chart above. "
"Within its gamut coverage, the mini’s panel is fairly accurate. A look at our GMB checker test shows performance competitive with the Nexus 7 and not far off the 4th generation iPad. Grayscale reproduction is also quite good. The display looks really good otherwise, but you don’t get the same visual punch you do on the iPad Air."
"Compared to the previous generation mini we’re obviously talking about a much better panel. But for those of you on the fence between the mini and Air, the Air does still hold a display advantage. I suspect the justification here is Apple likely views the bigger iPad as being a better fit for photographers/those who care about color reproduction, but it’s a shame that this is a tradeoff that exists between the two iPads especially given how good Apple is about sRGB coverage in nearly all of its other displays."
I was at the Store yesterday and compared yet another mini retina this time the LTE model and sadly, it has the same inferior gamut as the original mini and noticeably weaker display than the iPad AIR.
So yes, this is apple gimping you chump buyers on this year's iPad mini retina; I will wait for iPad mini 3rd generation to see if apple will market it as full 100% gamut coverage along with whatever else trickle features apple business tactics they shove down your pants. Apple is all about margins these days and it's gotten so bad, the proof is here.
(source: http://anandtech.com/show/7519/apple-ipad-mini-with-retina-display-reviewed/3)
Look at the anandtech review, so I was right along with many others:
"Although display resolution is no longer a concern on the mini, color gamut hasn’t changed between the old and new minis."
"The iPad mini with Retina Display has the same color gamut as the standard iPad mini, which is narrower than the iPad Air and less than the sRGB coverage we normally look for. The biggest issue here is that there are other smaller tablets in this price range that do offer sRGB coverage (e.g. Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HDX 8.9)."
"The difference is small but apparent, particularly if you’re used to panels with full sRGB coverage like the iPad Air or any of the rMBPs/iMacs. The biggest deviations are in reds/blues and magenta in between as you can tell from the CIE chart above. "
"Within its gamut coverage, the mini’s panel is fairly accurate. A look at our GMB checker test shows performance competitive with the Nexus 7 and not far off the 4th generation iPad. Grayscale reproduction is also quite good. The display looks really good otherwise, but you don’t get the same visual punch you do on the iPad Air."
"Compared to the previous generation mini we’re obviously talking about a much better panel. But for those of you on the fence between the mini and Air, the Air does still hold a display advantage. I suspect the justification here is Apple likely views the bigger iPad as being a better fit for photographers/those who care about color reproduction, but it’s a shame that this is a tradeoff that exists between the two iPads especially given how good Apple is about sRGB coverage in nearly all of its other displays."
I was at the Store yesterday and compared yet another mini retina this time the LTE model and sadly, it has the same inferior gamut as the original mini and noticeably weaker display than the iPad AIR.
So yes, this is apple gimping you chump buyers on this year's iPad mini retina; I will wait for iPad mini 3rd generation to see if apple will market it as full 100% gamut coverage along with whatever else trickle features apple business tactics they shove down your pants. Apple is all about margins these days and it's gotten so bad, the proof is here.
(source: http://anandtech.com/show/7519/apple-ipad-mini-with-retina-display-reviewed/3)
I don't have to; come back here in october 2014 and you'll see!
Another example of "tactics" - iPad 3 retina released but processor not good enough to drive that display. iPad 4 released less than a full year of iPad 3 release. iPad AIR is true iPad next generation and iPad mini 2 is most likely like the iPad 3; these apple execs are just sleeping at night using money as their blanket!
What I saw was - Apple needed to release an iPad update, and did so prematurely, and fixed their mistake by releasing the 4. Market pressures pushed them into releasing the 3 when it wasn't ready. Nothing evil. Just a business decision. Made by carbon based life forms. Meaning not all of them can be perfect.
