But that is teens and young adults who have a different mindset than uh, mature adults. Except for some of the juvenile writing it's hard to tell the age of someone by their posts.
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The community is a bit awful
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File this under "Breathtaking Lack of Self Awareness", please, Miss Moneypenny. Oh, and send in double oh seven, that's a good girl.
It's an Apple news site, so it mostly attracts Apple fans. So what? A lot of Apple fans are old enough to remember when being an Apple fan meant you were an endangered species, so it's not surprising an Apple fan community bears a whiff of paranoia. This is pretty low level stuff in 2021, and you are hyper-sensitive if you think this is anything approaching the level of "awfulness" that appears on the typical discussion site.
Oh my god! The horror, the HORROR! Oh, the humanity! What about the children?
Forums like this are for people to air their problems, grievances and get very useful advice that's what it is here for. Without forums like this Apple and other manufacturers would get away with murder.
Thank you for your virtue signal. $0.10 in GBPT has been sent to your GoodBoyPoints wallet.
And you're the perfect example of my first post in this thread. Thank you for proving my point.
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I don't post a lot, and apart from the recent PRSI issues I enjoy the community here. It keeps me coming back. Though sometimes I don't always understand why other members take it so seriously.
Sadly, you are spot on with this.
People don’t want to feel “beneath” someone else for using what they like. The Android vs iPhone debate has been going on for decades, just like Nintendo vs. Sega, Ford vs Chevy (maybe that’s just a local thing), apples to oranges, cats vs. dogs, etc. I think that, since everyone is spending more time at home (and thus online), it’s easy to overthink things and find something to complain about.
I feel, in general that the community is very good here. The vast majority of people are willing to talk on and help you with Apple hardare/software related subjects. Sure every forum has a few rotten apples, but overall I find MR to generally be a great place to talk about Apple product related content.
Far better than the official Apple community forums which are nowhere near as friendly and many novice questions there get attacked with "you should know better" whereas on MR they are answered respectfully with the understanding that there is no such thing as a dumb question.
(Apple News and PRSI I am excepting from this discussion as they have their own issues.)
Far better than the official Apple community forums which are nowhere near as friendly and many novice questions there get attacked with "you should know better" whereas on MR they are answered respectfully with the understanding that there is no such thing as a dumb question.
(Apple News and PRSI I am excepting from this discussion as they have their own issues.)
I wish I was with you on this..
This weekend I spent more time than I'm proud to admit dealing with literally exactly that type of response from the MR community regarding the new iMacs lacking height adjustability and the frustrations a user was having around that.
Excerpts from the MR "Respectful Replies" included:
- This sounds like a troll post.
- ...another useless thread for another user that wants attention
- Dumb design? OK boomer.
- Next time, do you research first
- Should have bought a pair of reading glasses
- Hey pal, you are the one who bought the thing. Looks like you (should) know where to point the finger of blame.
- ...after seeing several similar posts with "ridiculous" complaints about M1 Macs the past few months I'm beginning to wonder if such posts are created by the staff themselves to increase the traffic to the site.
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With probably tens of thousands of posts every day, not all of them are going to be flowery.
For me, characterize my post anyway you want, I don't care and it doesn't bother and I can respond appropriately...but some of those replies mentioned above if it were me, I would report them and let the chips fall where they may about the action the moderators take.
I would report as off-topic.
off-topic
insults
insults
insults
On the fence on this.
off-topic
I guess I'm just not sure what MR wants us all to do in these cases.
I'm weary of just reporting endlessly as it obviously creates a big burden on moderators, but also I've been swept up in getting banned in the past for what I feel like was just "being part of it all" and doing lots of post reporting. Admittedly that was a long while ago now.
I wish guidance was more clear on this.
Maybe it is and I haven't seen it in the site docs or something?
(link appreciated if there's something I should read about this)
I don't mind reporting stuff - but I will admit it's not my style to be a "tattle tale" of sorts and be constantly calling for moderator help to deal with people. It just seems juvenile or something to me?
Obviously I'm happy to report something I see that's way out of bounds or a serious personal attack, etc.
I totally agree with your post. The community here has helped me on several software/technology related issues in the past and I consider the forum is a great resource for which I am grateful.
I think that many, if not most, of the detractors seem to have an axe to grind for one reason or another or otherwise are unfamiliar with the general toxicity that exists in many other internet forums. This forum is quite tame compared to many other places. Generally, the posting here -- outside of the forum formally known as PRSI -- is generally quite civil. I guess the detractors mistake disagreement for incivility and I think that if a poster is not prepared to defend a position/view, then the poster should not participate in the comments section or, at minimum, should not be shocked when confronted with a contrary opinion. I mean, really, is that not the purpose for the comments in the first place?
I agree with this..but I would add that tone matters.
Dismissive, rude or views lacking empathy aren’t productive or enjoyable and don’t foster a great environment.
Ultimately a forum is for discussion, but it’s not a prerequisite to have everything be a formal debate where you must “be prepared to defend!”
Sometimes it’s just fun to have lively conversation
That is why I am generally not a fan of doing tons of reporting of posts.
If it’s violating some clear rule or is way out of bounds, I get it, but I get the impression people often just report things they don’t like or disagree with.
You realize people may lurk before registering, even for long periods of time?
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Indeed, I made my account in 2014 but have been lurking since around 2007/2008 or so (when I was 8/9 years old lol). I'm now 22.
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Sure, but why join if it's so bad? "I joined this forum today to tell you you've all been a bunch of ninnies for the past decade" Shrug.
In the list above, I really only would have reported the insults as that type of online conduct imo, is really not warranted.
However, I don't think MR wants you to do anything. Hitting the "report" button on every post if you believe some infraction was committed no matter how minor is like the police giving you a speeding ticket for going one mile an hour over the speed limit. You don't want to be the "boy that cried wolf". And if it's not your style to report because you feel that you're being a "tattle tale" then don't.
I think you have to use your judgement. To me ridding the forums of that type of toxicity (insults) is a small step, but important (provided that moderators agree with my assessment).
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