I can't figure out if you want people to disagree with you or pat you on the back for your unique predictions?
It is still a bit early to do your "Death to all Tablets" dance yet. ... even the iPad is not very old.
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The death of WebOS
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I can't figure out if you want people to disagree with you or pat you on the back for your unique predictions?
It is still a bit early to do your "Death to all Tablets" dance yet. ... even the iPad is not very old.
I don't See the need to show my entire understanding of how the economy works in order to make a single point. I concur, you have proven that arguing with idiots is pointless. I'm done here. There is intelligent argument to be had elsewhere, because it's sadly absent in this thread.
I can't figure out if you want people to disagree with you or pat you on the back for your unique predictions?
It is still a bit early to do your "Death to all Tablets" dance yet. ... even the iPad is not very old.
TouchPad is already officially dead. I'm betting BlackBerry will kill off their craplet next. Samsung's may be on its way out the door too.
Sure, I wish some tablet would be made that provided real competition for Apple. But as of now, there are 0 tablets competing with the iPad.
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God forbid someone on the internet says "You know what, you're right. I completely misconstrued everything you said and attacked you for no reason. No other tablet is really providing any competition for the iPad."
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Just curious, but who do you think has the best chance of at least being a competitor?
I know its Apples market to lose and likely they'll maintain a lead. But theres always room for 2nd so who will it be?
WebOS is out but thats actually where I thought there'd be competition. 1st party hardware and software, a very modern OS, tons of money and a parent company that seemed to place their entire consumer market future behind them. Whether they gave up too soon or not is up for debate, but one thing for sure is that they really did have a wide distribution channel because people are finding Touchpads everywhere.
So that leaves the other two:
Android is a mess right now (IMO) but they've got the 2nd most mature OS and have enough dev support to be a solid "iPad Alternative". Plus, with Motorola now then IF they make first part hardware and software then they may have something interesting.
Microsoft is going to jump in 3 years behind but i wouldn't count them out completely because if they can manage good synergy between Windows 8 and 8Tablet then they may be able to make people forget that they sat on their hands for nearly a decade.
So what do you think? Is there anyone going to compete or will Apple be a 95% marketshare company?
Apple isn't a 95% marketshare company for tablet anymore. Android tablets own 20% and that number (having started at zero) is climbing. The iPad is certainly the single most popular iOS tablet, but that's not hard to hold on to being the only one in the game. Amazon may end up with a large share for one brand of tablets when they finally show up. Asus (transformer) is doing pretty well as a brand and has more models showing up next month. Acer released a nice 7" android 3.2 tablet a short while back, and between the two they sell and the sales they gained from the $100 discounts of late they may have a decent share. The majority run android, and that's why it as an OS is gaining on iOS. Looking forward to see what iOS 5 and an iPad 3 can bring to the mix. Competition is good. Looking forward to more.
I believe you are wrong.
http://daringfireball.net/2011/07/ipad_dominance
Android doesn't have a 20% share of tablets. The numbers you looked at when you got that figure is SHIPPED tablets, not SOLD tablets. Those 20% of tablets you are looking at are sitting on store shelves, or in warehouses. They aren't in consumer's hands.
Just like the TouchPad. They shipped hundreds of thousands of units. But they all sat on the shelves at BestBuy. People didn't actually buy them.
I would have to guess that Android has the best chance. I believe they have the second most mature app store in the market. Like you said, Android is a mess right now. On one hand its great that any manufacturer can design a tablet and throw Android on it. At the same time, that very benefit is causing a lot of Androids problems. I know that Android is working on a resolution independence thing, but I have no faith in that. Look at the lengths Apple goes to in order to control screen resolution. It's either you double the resolution, or you don't change it. That makes scaling apps work perfectly.
Android also suffers from a branding problem. No one thinks a Samsung tablet is "sexy" or "nice." Acer doesn't make Joe Consumer think of quality. Apple has a tremendous advantage here, where people already assume it's infinitely better just because it's Apple. (And, well, it is!)
Microsoft may have a chance too. Who knows though. The Zune "looked" neat, but damn that was a failure. Microsoft could do some really neat stuff if they integrated connectivity for XBox Live, etc. But at the same time, Microsoft just can never seem to appeal to anything slightly artistic.
For a company that doesn't have a tablet, my money would be on Amazon. They already have an insanely huge infrastructure. Almost everyone already has an account on Amazon. They have music, movies, and an app store. However, Amazon really screws developers on the "Free of the day" thing, so I don't know if devs are withdrawing from Amazon's app store, etc. Also, Amazon has experience producing a successful device.
Who knows man. I don't see anything on the immediate horizon.
We all like to say that we want to see competition, etc, to stimulate Apple to innovate. But it just seems impossible for any company to compete with prices, quality, eco-system. Who knows. The good thing is that Apple doesn't necessarily need competition. People will keep buying iPads and upgrading year after year. I'll def sell mine and upgrade if a double resolution version comes out next year.
Sorry that this is all ramblings. I'm three beers in.
Good call. Maybe it would be nice to see WebOS end up in Amazons hands along with Roku. If that would happen then they'd have a solid competitor in all the emerging markets (iTunes Store, AppleTV, Cloud, Tablet/Phone).
Entirely my two cents here, but what about the apps? Won't people, regular users, want cool apps to use for either productivity or leisure time? You mention the ecosystem which I think is what the apps and that whole things falls into. Is there any app to make music and bang the drums and string a guitar in the Android Marketplace? How is the competition in that regard? I know Android has a ton of apps for the phones, is this also true for the tablets?
Are companies purchasing TouchPads or Android tables to give to employees with their custom apps preloaded? How is the tables market in enterprise environments?
I'm also a couple beers in.
I can't answer that, but I seriously doubt there are any Apple-quality ultra professional apps on Android that even remotely compare to GarageBand, Pages, Keynote or Numbers!
Exactly. I saw the ads with Russell Brand and the TouchPad, are there ads like that for the other tablets?
Im not sure about the future of WebOS, but hows this for a theory on what might make the Palm purchase still profitable for HP.
In the past they'd cross license patents with their product line since they're also using other companies patents on their hardware ,but with Palm getting out of consumer hardware (computers, tablets phones) yet still owning decades of valuable patents though Palm/HP then maybe their plan is to simply start enforcing their patents and make that their business model. With smartphones/tablets being a new industry then this could be highly profitable in the long run and could easily earn back all the money they lost in the WebOS mess.
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There really isn't good apps for Android... Well, there aren't MANY good apps. When I switched to an iPhone 4 two months ago, it was such a relief to have quality for once