Spoilers The Doctor Who Thread

[Jaffa Cake]

Let's be honest - we've all been practising that look every time we've walked past a mirror today.

Anyone who pretends otherwise is the worst kind of liar. 😛

 

[Peace]

pity his inclusion made no logical sense whatsoever 😱

What was the logic behind Billy Piper ( one of the companions ) being the heart of Gallifrey ?

If that is the case I'd say all the companions are.

 

[decafjava]

Well never been a dedicated fan of Doctor Who, saw many of the old episodes when I was a kid (from the First to the Seventh Doctor) and recently got into watching periodically with the relaunch. I really enjoyed the 50th anniversary show.

 

[WhackyNinja]

"The Time of the Doctor"

 

[decafjava]

What was the logic behind Billy Piper ( one of the companions ) being the heart of Gallifrey ?

If that is the case I'd say all the companions are.

I understood that she was the consciousness of "The Moment" the superweapon the War Doctor was to have used to wipe out the Daleks and Gallifrey. She took the form of a companion from the Doctor's past or future (she even said she can't tell which).

 

[cosmichobo]

What was the logic behind Billy Piper ( one of the companions ) being the heart of Gallifrey ?

If that is the case I'd say all the companions are.

The premise was that the doomsday weapon that the Doctor stole had developed an artificial intelligence that would basically judge the person who used it... Interesting enough Sci-Fi concept.

Where it fell down was in shoe-horning Billie Piper into the story. It made no sense... "She" said herself that she'd had read his mind and chosen her form based on his memories... but has trouble with the past and future... (ie Rose is from the "War" Doctor's future, not his past...)

It's been suggested that someone like Sarah Jane would have been better for this, if only Liz Sladen were still alive... I'm not sure personally about that, but either way, there was no need for Billie's inclusion IMO...

 

[Peace]

I understood that she was the consciousness of "The Moment" the superweapon the War Doctor was to have used to wipe out the Daleks and Gallifrey. She took the form of a companion from the Doctor's past or future (she even said she can't tell which).

The premise was that the doomsday weapon that the Doctor stole had developed an artificial intelligence that would basically judge the person who used it... Interesting enough Sci-Fi concept.

Where it fell down was in shoe-horning Billie Piper into the story. It made no sense... "She" said herself that she'd had read his mind and chosen her form based on his memories... but has trouble with the past and future... (ie Rose is from the "War" Doctor's future, not his past...)

It's been suggested that someone like Sarah Jane would have been better for this, if only Liz Sladen were still alive... I'm not sure personally about that, but either way, there was no need for Billie's inclusion IMO...

With that I'd say choosing Tom Baker as the Curator of the gallery made sense also.

 

[fat jez]

With that I'd say choosing Tom Baker as the Curator of the gallery made sense also.

I guess the suggestion was that when he decided to retire he regenerated back into his favourite form.

Which also suggests he must have got around the 12 regeneration limit, as Capaldi will the the 13th doctor.

 

[roadbloc]

Which also suggests he must have got around the 12 regeneration limit, as Capaldi will the the 13th doctor.

Most of the weird, bizarre and inconsistent rules of the classic series have been ignored with the new series. I doubt they're going to stop making the show just because one writer thought it would be good to write in a limit for the number of times the doctor can regenerate in the classic series.

 

[cosmichobo]

Most of the weird, bizarre and inconsistent rules of the classic series have been ignored with the new series. I doubt they're going to stop making the show just because one writer thought it would be good to write in a limit for the number of times the doctor can regenerate in the classic series.

The 13 lives limitation from the classic era is not about bringing the show to an end... It's about recognising something that was a big part of established mythology.

And, Steven Moffat has recognised that the Eleventh Doctor is the twelfth incarnation, now that we have the War Doctor, AND that "the Deadly Assassin" (which introduced the regen limit) cannot be ignored.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/24/docto...-doctor-regeneration-problem-sort-of-4199592/

 

[localoid]

Where it fell down was in shoe-horning Billie Piper into the story. It made no sense...

Personally, I was happy to see the return of Rose, err... I mean "Bad Wolf" Rose. 😉

A BBC America article explains Billie Piper’s Role in the 50th as follows:

Interestingly, Billie Piper, who returned for the episode, never had any interactions with her Doctor, the also-returning David Tennant, instead sharing all of her dialogue with John Hurt‘s War Doctor. And certainly she wasn’t playing the Rose Tyler we’d come to know. But Moffat explained his approach to Piper’s return in today’s roundtable discussion.

“I thought the story of Rose, which was beautiful, was done,” he said. “I didn’t want to add to it, and I didn’t feel comfortable adding to it, really. That was always [former Doctor Who showrunner] Russell [T Davies]‘s story. But we did want Billie. And I liked the idea of bringing back the Bad Wolf version. The way Russell ended it in “The End of Time,” by just sort of looping it around, was perfect. I didn’t want to stick another bit of it in. That would be wrong. I just wanted to get Billie Piper, one of the absolute heroes of Doctor Who, back in the show, but without interfering with the story of Rose Tyler. I just thought I might spoil something. I might trip over my bootlaces doing that.”

If Billie had declined the role, Steven says, “There would have been options” in terms of other Who actresses to bring back. But, he said, “none of them would have been as perfect as Billie, who, in some ways for me, represents the revival of Doctor Who more than anybody else. I know I’ll get in trouble for saying this, but if you look back at the first two years of Doctor Who‘s revival, it’s all about Billie. It’s all about Billie. It’s her show for two years. I mean, it’s really startling watching ‘The Runaway Bride’ and you’re going, ‘Where is she? Where’s the star of the show?’ So it was great to have her. We’d have done something else [if we couldn't get her.]”

 

[barkmonster]

The 13 lives limitation from the classic era is not about bringing the show to an end... It's about recognising something that was a big part of established mythology.

And, Steven Moffat has recognised that the Eleventh Doctor is the twelfth incarnation, now that we have the War Doctor, AND that "the Deadly Assassin" (which introduced the regen limit) cannot be ignored.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/11/24/docto...-doctor-regeneration-problem-sort-of-4199592/

When the plot of the mid 90s Dr Who movie was about the master using up all his lives and then trying to live again, the doctor himself being in the position is terrible writing.

 

[decafjava]

So ... comments reactions now that the Doctor has regenerated again?

Pretty much how I figured they'd get past the limit.

 

[Apple fanboy]

So ... comments reactions now that the Doctor has regenerated again?

Pretty much how I figured they'd get past the limit.

Personally I think yesterday's episode was devoid of new ideas. I think it's time this series had a break for a while (say 5 years). Then it could come back fresh like when the BBC started up again with Christopher Eccleston.
How many more times can the same old enemies screw up killing him? There were more holes in yesterday's story than a cheese grater.

 

[roadbloc]

Loved yesterdays episode. Not the best Christmas episode but certainly better than last years' and some of the trash they've offered on Christmas Day in previous years. Was great that all of the plot lines of series 5 and 6 were finally fully explained and I look forward to seeing Capaldi as the Doctor from now on.

The whole 13 regeneration limitation plot seemed very rushed. I always assumed they were going to just ignore that rubbish limitation, but whatever since it was very quickly introduced and then wrapped up.

 

[Peace]

The way they got around the regeneration limit didn't make sense.

If the Doctor can only regenerate 12 times how can the old doctors simply get together and give 38 new regenerations to the current doctor.

😕

 

[ebow]

The way they got around the regeneration limit didn't make sense.

If the Doctor can only regenerate 12 times how can the old doctors simply get together and give 38 new regenerations to the current doctor.

😕

I didn't notice anything about a specific number of new regenerations, let alone 38. I'll admit I was struggling to follow along at some points, though, and had to put closed captions on.

Also, I took it as the Time Lords bestowing more regenerations, to help the Doctor help them... or something like that. I don't think the previous Doctors were involved.

 

[fat jez]

The way they got around the regeneration limit didn't make sense.

If the Doctor can only regenerate 12 times how can the old doctors simply get together and give 38 new regenerations to the current doctor.

😕

I'm confused too. Where did you get the figure of 38 from? In the episode, the doctor said he can only regenerate 12 times and this was his last. It's unclear whether the time lords reset his regeneration limit or gave him one further one. Of course, from a longevity of a tv series perspective, I'm guessing it's a reset. 🙂

 

[Peace]

I didn't notice anything about a specific number of new regenerations, let alone 38. I'll admit I was struggling to follow along at some points, though, and had to put closed captions on.

Also, I took it as the Time Lords bestowing more regenerations, to help the Doctor help them... or something like that. I don't think the previous Doctors were involved.

I'm confused too. Where did you get the figure of 38 from? In the episode, the doctor said he can only regenerate 12 times and this was his last. It's unclear whether the time lords reset his regeneration limit or gave him one further one. Of course, from a longevity of a tv series perspective, I'm guessing it's a reset. 🙂

I'm not sure of the exact number but when he was in Christmas and the crack opened back up the lady with the black on her face said something to the effect that all the doctors granted him ( the current Doctor ) that number of regenerations. I'm not sure of the number 38 but I do know she said there were a bunch of extra ones.

[edit] Maybe I halucinated the number 38.

From Wiki :

At the top of Christmas's clock tower, the Doctor is preparing to die when the time crack appears in the night sky. Regeneration energy flows from the crack and into the Doctor: the Time Lords have granted the Doctor a new regeneration cycle, thereby saving him from death on Trenzalore and changing his future. As his thirteenth regeneration starts, the Doctor uses the excess energy to destroy the Daleks. In the aftermath, Clara finds the Doctor, young again, back in the TARDIS. He states that this temporary rejuvenation is a 'reset' for the new cycle of regenerations to begin and the second phase of the regeneration is taking some time to start up, but he will soon change. He delivers a eulogy to his current form, and hallucinates a final farewell to Amy Pond, the first person he met after last regenerating ("The Eleventh Hour"), before abruptly finishing his transformation into the Twelfth Doctor. After commenting on the color of his new kidneys, the Doctor worriedly asks Clara if she knows how to fly the TARDIS."

Seems to me though if the Time Lords can simply grant extra regenerations the number is endless.


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[The Doctor11]

Any one watch Doctor Who?

I love doctor who and its what my user name is based off of. My favorite doctor is the 11th and he has just died🙁 Do you watch doctor who if so what did you think of the Christmas special?

 

[lelisa13p]

I love doctor who and its what my user name is based off of. My favorite doctor is the 11th and he has just died🙁 Do you watch doctor who if so what did you think of the Christmas special?

Everyone in this thread watches Doctor Who, hence the thread title, and the few posts preceding yours are discussing what they thought of the Christmas special. 🙄

 

[DAC47]

Not a great episode i found it quite confusing and muddled like a lot of Moffat's season finale episodes.
Particularly after the Day of the Doctor which was really good.

but i did think

"At least people will stop going on about the 12 regeneration limit."

oh well...

 

[Jaffa Cake]

...but i did think

"At least people will stop going on about the 12 regeneration limit."

oh well...

So it looks like the Time Lords have bestowed a new regeneration cycle to the Doctor, something that does at least have precedents in both new and classic Who.

But what are they going to do when he's used up his remaining eleven regenerations, eh? 😉

 

[PreacherKane]

So it looks like the Time Lords have bestowed a new regeneration cycle to the Doctor, something that does at least have precedents in both new and classic Who.

But what are they going to do when he's used up his remaining eleven regenerations, eh? 😉

It would make more sense for the Timelords to have removed the limitations on the regenerations and that way he can continue forever.

He is the last Timelord after all, 🙄

 

[ebow]

Not a great episode i found it quite confusing and muddled like a lot of Moffat's season finale episodes.

I've found many of the recent episodes confusing (certain parts, at least). I hope Doctor 12 slows down a bit compared to #11, and I hope the writers slow waaaaay down. They also need to simplify the number of continuing story arcs--the episodes are far too spread out to sustain too many long-running plot lines, IMO.