The end of Safari???

[liptonlover]

I've used both. I prefer Safari.

1. I find safari bookmarks easier to use. It's all Apple elegant.

2. It's a simpler browser, both in looks and design. So it's easier to use, and looks less cluttered.

3. Being a simpler browser, and probably for other reasons, I'm pretty sure safari is faster. It is for me, anyways.

4. Since it was made by Apple, it of course has the usual Apple theme. So it looks fine with your other applications.

5. Add ons are stupid and probably slow firefox down at least a little bit.

6. Full screen?!?! I wouldn't use that in a million years.

7. Does firefox comply with web 2.0? I can't remember...

8. Safari does color correction so stuff looks better. (Heard that from macbreak weekly)

9. Firefox looks like it wants to be in vista or xp. It's overall bright orange color theme, the way the GUI looks, it just doesn't belong on a mac.


The only thing firefox has going for it for me to use it is that it's on windows and linux as well, so if anything is going to be browser specific firefox is a likely choice. It's a great browser but not for me.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

power of bundling, do you not agree?

The argument is over 'which is better?' not 'which do you use?'. So your argument is null.

Anyway, I have decided (yesterday? Maybe the day before) to use Firefox as my default browser again. So far I have to say I like it. Of course it's just a browser and they all do pretty much the same thing so of course I'm not going to see any glaring issues. I'm glad to see that a few of the issues I was having when 3.0 first came out are gone. Firefox will remain my default browser for a month, we'll see if it stays my browser after that.

 

[jamesdmc]

Going back to the subject of automatically sorting bookmarks:

Ok I got it, but lets be honest that is quite trivial and Safari does allow for individual management of items.

I'm not a programmer, but given the complexity of OS X, I would think it would be "trivial" to add automatic sorting to Safari. Because the lack of automatic sorting is *not* trivial in my opinion.

As a relatively new Apple convert who imported hundreds of bookmarks at once, I was amazed that I could not simply right-click (or control click) and select an option to "sort alphabetically". I could do this in Firefox without problems and honestly assumed that all browsers had this functionality. I feel pretty confident that I was not the only new Mac user who was surprised at the lack of click-and-sort capability with Safari.

I agree that once you have them sorted, it's a small matter to manually arrange new bookmarks one at a time as you add them, but that first time...with a boatload of bookmarks...it's not trivial at all. In fact, that's what led me to purchase Bookdog to manage my bookmarks for Safari and Firefox. Excellent program. Allows me to keep my Safari and Firefox bookmarks & bookmark bars looking exactly alike because I switch between those two browsers without rhyme or reason.

Just my $0.02


James

 

[ohforfckssake!]

I've used both. I prefer Safari.

1. I find safari bookmarks easier to use. It's all Apple elegant.

2. It's a simpler browser, both in looks and design. So it's easier to use, and looks less cluttered.

3. Being a simpler browser, and probably for other reasons, I'm pretty sure safari is faster. It is for me, anyways.

4. Since it was made by Apple, it of course has the usual Apple theme. So it looks fine with your other applications.

5. Add ons are stupid and probably slow firefox down at least a little bit.

6. Full screen?!?! I wouldn't use that in a million years.

7. Does firefox comply with web 2.0? I can't remember...

8. Safari does color correction so stuff looks better. (Heard that from macbreak weekly)

9. Firefox looks like it wants to be in vista or xp. It's overall bright orange color theme, the way the GUI looks, it just doesn't belong on a mac.


The only thing firefox has going for it for me to use it is that it's on windows and linux as well, so if anything is going to be browser specific firefox is a likely choice. It's a great browser but not for me.

I concur.

 

[Givega]

gah

argue all you like about firefox and safari all i know is that when i use safari it randomly will just stop running and then i have to reopen and when its feeling especially mean it wont even ask me if i want to reload the page i was at.

Firefox doesn't do that. I've never had it crash, if i accidentally close it it always asks me if i want the page i last saw. so yeah. for me FF all the way. Plus safari is ugly as sin.

 

[koobcamuk]

I try to like Firefox, Opera and Shiira, but I always come back to Safari. It looks nicer, has shortcuts that I know and use daily and the bookmarks sync across my 4 macs nicely. And my iPhone.

 

[solaris]

Firefox 3 for mac is written in cocoa.

True. But its still using XUL (like Firefox 1 and 2) and not Aqua (like Safari, Camino, ...).

 

[kolax]

To sum up what I've read in the first few pages:

To get FireFox to work in the same line as Safari, you have to edit a few configs and download a few addons.

What a waste of time. Safari works perfectly fine for me, and I'm confident Safari 4 is going to blow the competition away.

 

[iMacmatician]

argue all you like about firefox and safari all i know is that when i use safari it randomly will just stop running and then i have to reopen and when its feeling especially mean it wont even ask me if i want to reload the page i was at.

Firefox doesn't do that. I've never had it crash, if i accidentally close it it always asks me if i want the page i last saw. so yeah. for me FF all the way. Plus safari is ugly as sin.

History » Reopen Last Closed Window or History » Reopen Windows From Last Session.

Safari works perfectly fine for me, and I'm confident Safari 4 is going to blow the competition away.

I can't wait for Safari 4.

 

[ohforfckssake!]

if i accidentally close it it always asks me if i want the page i last saw. so yeah. for me FF all the way. Plus safari is ugly as sin.

Safari has that function as well, also known as 'reopen all windows from last session'.

And Safari ugly? LOL. More likely you have bad taste, and are a poor judge of aesthetics. FF looks like your typical Windoze app.

 

[Aronnax]

To sum up what I've read in the first few pages:

To get FireFox to work in the same line as Safari, you have to edit a few configs and download a few addons.

What a waste of time. Safari works perfectly fine for me, and I'm confident Safari 4 is going to blow the competition away.

it is only possible, but it is not possible the other way round

Firefox has more stuff out of the box as Safari and i use for example Firefox, because of the Bookmark/History Sidebar and many other reasons .. stuff Safari does not have and never will have

by the way,
Safari 4 will blow nothing - the contest goes only in another round
with Firefox 3.1 .. or 4 ... and Safari 4 will be as usual behind the competition ;-)

 

[Aronnax]

FF looks like your typical Windoze app.

Very strange , i have read countless times that the Firefox 3.0 default theme looks exactly like Safari and countless times it looks like a Windows port ..
Looks Safari as well like a Windows port ... or have countless people only no idea?

 

[eXan]

Very strange , i have read countless times that the Firefox 3.0 default theme looks exactly like Safari and countless times it looks like a Windows port ..
Looks Safari as well like a Windows port ... or have countless people only no idea?

Regarding FF3 "looking like Safari": a quote of myself from the second page of this thread

About appearance: read...

 

[wrldwzrd89]

Very strange , i have read countless times that the Firefox 3.0 default theme looks exactly like Safari and countless times it looks like a Windows port ..
Looks Safari as well like a Windows port ... or have countless people only no idea?

The Firefox default theme definitely doesn't look like Safari... and I don't think it looks like a Windows port either. I use a theme other than the default one, since I want a more Safari-like look for Firefox, and the theme I use provides that.

I personally think the Firefox 3 default theme is an attempt for Firefox to stand out against the myriad of other browsers. That is something it succeeds in doing.

 

[ohforfckssake!]

Very strange , i have read countless times that the Firefox 3.0 default theme looks exactly like Safari and countless times it looks like a Windows port ..
Looks Safari as well like a Windows port ... or have countless people only no idea?

Sorry, you're right. I was basing my comments on older versions of FF. FF3 does indeed look more similar to Safari, albeit less 'clean'.

 

[Aronnax]

Regarding FF3 "looking like Safari": a quote of myself from the second page of this thread

the guy from
http://www.sanneblad.se/johan/?p=180
talks about some bugs .. where it is not perfect ... but they change not the whole impression

for example ...
"Heres a Firefox window skinned with the theme GrApple Yummy (graphite). Notice how the three-component gradient gets compressed in a weird way."

on the one hand has the theme many different gradients and nobody see it in the kind of way, as on the screen shots from sanneblad.se

and on the other hand
the GrApple themes are my themes (i have build it) and i use currently a test version which use new Firefox 3.1 theme possibilities and then without "these three-component gradient gets compressed in a weird way"
or in other words ... these bugs can be fixed ..
and it is not sure, but very likely will have Firefox 3.1 in some weeks a perfect gradient ... and many other changes (improvements) as well

 

[wrldwzrd89]

the guy from
http://www.sanneblad.se/johan/?p=180
talks about some bugs .. where it is not perfect ... but they change not the whole impression

for example ...
"Heres a Firefox window skinned with the theme GrApple Yummy (graphite). Notice how the three-component gradient gets compressed in a weird way."

on the one hand has the theme many different gradients and nobody see it in the kind of way, as on the screen shots from sanneblad.se

and on the other hand
the GrApple themes are my themes (i have build it) and i use currently a test version which use new Firefox 3.1 theme possibilities and then without "these three-component gradient gets compressed in a weird way"
or in other words ... these bugs can be fixed ..
and it is not sure, but very likely will have Firefox 3.1 in some weeks a perfect gradient ... and many other changes (improvements) as well

Oh? You made these? Kudos to you - I use 'em.

I too hope Firefox 3.1 fixes some of the outstanding bugs.

 

[darkcurse]

it is only possible, but it is not possible the other way round

Firefox has more stuff out of the box as Safari and i use for example Firefox, because of the Bookmark/History Sidebar and many other reasons .. stuff Safari does not have and never will have

by the way,
Safari 4 will blow nothing - the contest goes only in another round
with Firefox 3.1 .. or 4 ... and Safari 4 will be as usual behind the competition ;-)

Look at webkit, and you'll see Safari's future. With a new javascript engine called Squirrelfish which looks even faster than the one currently in Safari, it all looks good. At the end of the day, the fact that we can argue proves that both browsers can compete with each other in terms of features/stability/speed/etc. So it all depends on user preference which is inarguable(is that even a word? )

 

[Aronnax]

Look at webkit, and you'll see Safari's future. With a new javascript engine called Squirrelfish which looks even faster than the one currently in Safari, it all looks good. At the end of the day, the fact that we can argue proves that both browsers can compete with each other in terms of features/stability/speed/etc. So it all depends on user preference which is inarguable(is that even a word? )

Apple has improved the JavaScript performance two or three times from 3.0 to 3.1 and all this without funny names ;-)

SquirrelFish will improve the performance only even more, but as far as i see not in the same kind of way as already done.

And the competition:
Firefox 3.0 has as well an improved JavaScript performance.
As well two or three times faster than FF 2.0 and the the next version will be improved as usual even more ..

Apples own Benchmark:
http://webkit.org/perf/sunspider-0.9/sunspider.html
the current version from Firefox is there faster than the current version from Safari, but the difference is marginal

The next versions .. goodness knows which engine will be the fastest,
but who cares when one browser is then 10% faster.
The browser have then both a two or three or maybe four times faster JavaScript performance than the versions a few years ago ;-)

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And the best of all this is:
The contest goes in another round and then again and again .. long live the competition ;-)

 

[darkcurse]

Indeed. Better for us. So that we can keep the argument going till kingdom come

But at the end of the day, competition is always good. We the consumers can only benefit.

 

[zap2]

Both great...right now I'm using FF on my dekstop, but Safari is very good too(use it on my iBook)

Also its nice to have a universal web browsers on all OSes(FF support for 99.9% of the market, IE support for 90% of the market and safari supports 96% of the market)

 

[hmorris]

I've used both. I prefer Safari.
9. Firefox looks like it wants to be in vista or xp. It's overall bright orange color theme, the way the GUI looks, it just doesn't belong on a mac.

Bright orange theme ?? the theme is silver when was the last time u used FF?

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Bright orange theme ?? the theme is silver when was the last time u used FF?

The icon is bright orange and sure currently the theme is flat grey, but many things, like the firefox site, still have an orange theme.

 

[Trajectory]

Firefox 3 is buggy as hell.

 

[hmorris]

The icon is bright orange and sure currently the theme is flat grey, but many things, like the firefox site, still have an orange theme.

does it really matter what the theme of the icon and the website are? how often do you go on the safari website??(if there is one)