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The EU Wants All Phones to Work With Interoperable Chargers, Here’s What That Means for Apple's Lightning Port

fairuz said:
Mini and micro USB WERE the innovation, and they replaced the others without regulation.
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They were not an innovation. They came out in 2007. The law formalized micro-USB in 2010.

And mini-USB came out in 2000 which was something the EU were going to push for prior to micro.

Neither of those were uniquely innovative. It was simple a coop from many companies. Of which Apple is a part of for USB-C. So if Apple isn't for going to USB-C, it makes one inquire: Why?
Are they sabotaging it? Or do they lack the engineering capabilities to implement something they were a part of designing?
If they want innovation, here is their chance to push for it and show off however they haven't shown anything other than wanting an aging proprietary connector. And you're defending that ... why, again?
Because you're scare of.. what?
 
It means no future port (no matter what kind) on the iPhone. Apple has plans to kill the port, for a "wireless future".
 
fairuz said:
they replaced the others without regulation.
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Are you saying that there is proof that the MoU did not affect the rollout of micro-USB and that even if the signatories had not signed it, the market would have moved as it did?
 
magbarn said:
All my usb c ports on my MacBooks get loose over time and now pop out easily despite new cables while my iPhone 8 which has had much more charging cycles still feels new. I’m surprised not that many people notice this...
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Maybe you are just nasty user that does not take care when inserting...
 
kmann1983 said:
They were not an innovation. They came out in 2007. The law formalized micro-USB in 2010.

And mini-USB came out in 2000 which was something the EU were going to push for prior to micro.

Neither of those were uniquely innovative. It was simple a coop from many companies. Of which Apple is a part of for USB-C. So if Apple isn't for going to USB-C, it makes one inquire: Why?
Are they sabotaging it? Or do they lack the engineering capabilities to implement something they were a part of designing?
If they want innovation, here is their chance to push for it and show off however they haven't shown anything other than wanting an aging proprietary connector. And you're defending that ... why, again?
Because you're scare of.. what?
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The connector itself came out in 2007, but the technology built around it came later. There have been computer standards wars since forever, and somehow one or two always destroy the rest. You don't need a law to do that.

Apple pushed for USB-C really hard on Macs. I don't know why iPhones don't have it yet, maybe because they think Lightning isn't old enough yet. Lightning was better than everything else until USB-C came out, and USB-C drew upon Lightning's design. It could have been made illegal instead.

I don't really care what Europe does, just glad it's not like that in the US.
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Mailia said:
Yeah, that's not proof of anything.
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I have a better one, take a look at the outcome of every computer standards war before the EU (or any other government) was even in the business of regulating this. Or, before computers were even mainstream in Europe. Regulations in an afterthought market of the tech industry are not what makes the difference.
 
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chfilm said:
I would love for them to force EVERY gadget to have a USB C port. Seriously. GO EU!
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If the government had regulated electronic ports on electronic devices perhaps you would be stuck with centronics connectors. USB-C may not exist for you to complain about wishing you had on every product of your choice.
 
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kmann1983 said:
Last time the government did this -- it MASSIVELY helped the consumer.
Do you honestly miss the days of every different phone having a unique and proprietary charger? In what manner do you think that benefited the customer? Clearly, literally, none of those were innovative since they were so casually replaced with {micro/mini}-USB.
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This didn't happen before.

The government didn't enforce or require the cell phone manufactures to use a standard, this was something that was left up to the manufacturers.
 
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fairuz said:
I have a better one, take a look at the outcome of every computer standards war before the EU (or any other government) was even in the business of regulating this. Or, before computers were even mainstream in Europe. Regulations in an afterthought market of the tech industry are not what makes the difference.
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Again, that's not proof of MoU not having an effect. That's just conjecture based on your feelings about regulations.
 
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kmann1983 said:
Last time the government did this -- it MASSIVELY helped the consumer.
Do you honestly miss the days of every different phone having a unique and proprietary charger? In what manner do you think that benefited the customer? Clearly, literally, none of those were innovative since they were so casually replaced with {micro/mini}-USB.
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Those went away regardless of the EU.
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Enerccio said:
Maybe you are just nasty user that does not take care when inserting...
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Ah yes. “You’re connecting it wrong.”
 
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chucker23n1 said:
Those went away regardless of the EU.
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It was only because of the EU they went away. This is a known and undeniable fact.

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Without them, we'd still have different connectors per phone and every device having a dongle. The US, clearly, didn't care about the waste or money. With this passing, everyone went "yeah, we'll go this way" -- but they knew good and well if they didn't agree to a standard one would be forced.

Further, they've tried to reach out. Other companies complied. So far the only real person saying no is Apple.
So if they can't come to an agreement, something will be forced. Again, this benefits the consumer.

The whole "we'll be stuck with this FOREVER AND EVER AND EVER" argument is... childish. The EU has shown it will listen -- you just have to actually bring something to the table instead of childish fear mongering.
 
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The whole "we'll be stuck with usb-c forever" argument makes no sense considering right now Apple seems to be stuck with lightning forever.
 
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Jim Lahey said:
It's my opinion based on living in the EU and being a freethinking individual with the right to express my point of view. I'm not looking for an argument.
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your original post is a funny way of going about it.

Or, perhaps as seems more likely, your happy to spout off a load of negative ‘opinions’ without any substance to justify them.

It’s very easy to just be lazily critical of things; often it takes more effort to be positive and balanced.
 
robinp said:
your original post is a funny way of going about it.

Or, perhaps as seems more likely, your happy to spout off a load of negative ‘opinions’ without any substance to justify them.

It’s very easy to just be lazily critical of things; often it takes more effort to be positive and balanced.
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Have a word with the EU and see if you can get them to start legislating opinions.
 
Mailia said:
Again, that's not proof of MoU not having an effect. That's just conjecture based on your feelings about regulations.
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If you want to be that difficult, you can't prove the other way either.
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magbarn said:
All my usb c ports on my MacBooks get loose over time and now pop out easily despite new cables while my iPhone 8 which has had much more charging cycles still feels new. I’m surprised not that many people notice this...
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I don't know how you've done that. Lightning cables are notoriously weak.
 
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zorinlynx said:
It'd be nice if the EU regulations would ban having wireless charging as the only option. This is something idiotic that Apple would likely try to do eventually, given their obsession with eliminating wires. While wireless charging is convenient, it's also inefficient and should never be the ONLY option. Imagine charging with a portable power bank and losing almost half the energy as heat because you can only charge wirelessly.
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Smart connector might finally have a wide spread use.
 
EU has been on a power trip regulation binge since they first banded together.

Some regulation is good but if you keep stacking them on one another in every sector, you start stifling innovation. Let different ideas compete in the marketplace and the best will rise to the top.
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Cloudane said:
I'm generally pro EU, but this kind of hassle is why my country left (aside from racist reasons for some) and why I'm not quite as upset as others about it.
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If you think UK left EU for racist reasons that means the fear propaganda worked on you. Hook, line, and sinker.
 
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