It's so funny to read these comments about nickel and diming the design down to shave $500 or whatever people think they would "save" off the price. Do you all realize you're talking about Apple? When have you known them to cut corners this way? Just wait and buy a Samsung or whatever copycat design in a year or two.
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Yes, finally! Let's talk about iSight! Apple really should bring it back, it should be a 4K USB-C camera with great picture and microphones, it all makes sense with all WFH and... oh... oooohhh, ok
Then you can wait for the price to come down on subsequent versions, like many are doing. Some of the early adopters are more than willing to pay the extra fee to have all the best bells and whistles on version one.
It’s going to be very interesting to see if Apple downgrades/eliminates any of the fancy tech and/or features from version one for version two to save on costs.
3D Touch was an interesting feature on the iPhone that only lasted 3-4 years. If it had been used more throughout the phone, it could’ve been great, but I guess Apple and outside developers decided it wasn’t useful enough. Personally, it got in my way, so I turned it off, but I’m pretty sure it had its fans. Either way, by eliminating it, Apple saved money and could reallocate it to something else on/in the phone.
I don’t foresee EyeSight going the way of 3D Touch, but time will tell, and something about version one might not carry into version two.
And while we’re at it, let’s not use OLED displays, save a few hundred more there. In fact, do they need to be 4K? Let’s save some more. Metal and glass? Nope, plastic is cheaper. What’s with all these cameras by the way? Hand and eye tracking? A controller that you hold would be cheaper, let’s do that…
Oh look! It’s a Meta Quest clone.
if you want a budget headset buy a Meta Quest; if you want a cutting edge device that packs in the very best technology at a premium price get a Vision Pro.
Want a Vision Pro but can’t afford it and wish it was cheaper? I hear you. I’d like a Rolls Royce but can’t afford it and wish it were cheaper… I don’t write forum posts suggesting they lose the leather seats or leave out a few engine cylinders to make the car affordable though.
Vision Pro is a premium product for relatively well off customers. But budget alternatives exist. Just don’t try to turn my Vision Pro into a budget alternative - I like that it is packed full of tech and reassuringly expensive 😉
100% with you there.
I just stop talking. Most people still have a modicum of decency and put away the damn phone when they realise.
Still irrelevant to this thread though. EyeSight is designed to prevent the very behaviour you complain about.
*sigh*
But not irrelevant to the post I quoted.
Yeah, I know… natural movement ebb and flow of conversation… not difficult to grasp.
Have a nice day.
Yeah, go for 8K@60fps no less. Please include FaceID too, I mean, we have TouchID in the external keyboards, FaceID should exist in an external camera.
Just don’t want people getting confused. If someone is scanning through some of the posts on this thread they might incorrectly think “EyeSight is like when people stare at their phones when you’re talking to them? I hate that!” So I want to make sure people understand that EyeSight is actually the opposite of that.
And you have a nice day yourself.
Designed to. It's still this ugly, large piece of technology on your face. Whether or not a fake, blurry representation of a person's eyes is a reasonable stand-in for traditional eye-contact is certainly what Apple is betting on. I say good luck with that. But, IMO, and all that. 10 years from now it'll be Wall-E with everyone floating around with their personal data screens in front of their face, I'm sure.
Sure, maybe it’ll fail. But can the “I hate when people stare at their phone when talking to you” people at least give Apple a little kudos for trying to fix the thing you hate?
People on this thread: “we hate this thing!!”
Apple: “we hear you! We’re trying to fix the thing you hate with this new technology!”
People on this thread: “boooo!!!! We’re so mad that you’re trying to fix the thing we hate!!!”
🤣
Of course. Look, I understand and respect your position, but I think you're missing mine: I think they've failed at solving the fundamental problem with their overly-twee (and, imo, really goofy looking) solution. Could I be wrong? Absolutely! Maybe social norms will adjust thanks in part to EyeSight.
Speaking to your veiled point, however: I'm not here to praise or congratulate Apple or any other company. They can earn my money, just like everyone else.
Speaking to your veiled point, however: I'm not here to praise or congratulate Apple or any other company. They can earn my money, just like everyone else.
Did you hear the groans and gasps when they announced the price at WWDC?
Did you also say this about the outrageously priced Apple Watch Series 1 that was $10k when it came out?
And the Apple Watch SE at a lower price isn't "cutting corners". It's leaving out some features.
Who said I wasn't?
Lol, I could easily buy one if I wanted one. What does an external display that recreates my face have to do with the internal display that controls what *I* see when I look into it? That's all I care about. I think the tech looks amazing and I know in a generation or two I'll probably jump in.
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Apple did remove the audience reaction to the price of the Pro Disply XDR stand from the re-broadcast of that particular WWDC.
Fair enough, but I’m not ready to declare something a failure until at least 1 user has tried it out for real. Maybe it looks creepy in marketing videos, but frankly I always think people look creepy in Apple marketing videos and keynotes. There’s something Stepford Wives about all the plastic smiles with unsmiling eyes to me. I guess I’m not willing to, based on that evidence alone, say that it doesn’t work. When I see a human I know wear one and interact with them, then I’ll have an opinion.
You're saying eye contact is no different than having earbuds in? I do not agree with that at all. I would find it very "uncanny valley" to try to talk to someone who expected me to look at some creepy video simulating their eyes. Hard pass on that.
I have taught multiple classes in using VR for art making from children, through to seniors, while wearing a VR headset, and using the system with a display showing my in-universe view - I orient towards the students by having a mental model of the space I'm in, and listening to where they are in the room. And, as Hugo Weaving so aptly demonstrated with his performance in V For Vendetta, the need for eyes to communicate emotion is radically overstated (you know, the whole of ancient Greek theatre, etc).
I suspect the eyes will be a net negative for people interacting with a person in an AVP, it has a deeply uncanny valley vibe. I suspect a much higher positive would come from having very simple, line drawing eyes - like the robot faces in Stray, if you've played that game.
I suspect the eyes will be a net negative for people interacting with a person in an AVP, it has a deeply uncanny valley vibe. I suspect a much higher positive would come from having very simple, line drawing eyes - like the robot faces in Stray, if you've played that game.
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The goal obviously is to make the tech small enough to not need to augment your eyes. EyeSight is solving a current day problem technology has not allowed for yet. It lets them start paving the way at a time they deem is appropriate.
Believe me, if Apple could deliver this experience today in something that wasn't a 1.5 pound amalgamation of 12 cameras and three displays hanging off your face, they would. But today, this is what we have. Vision Pro with EyeSight and a clear vision for the future.
Yes, exactly! Or Geordi in Star Trek Next Generation. His visor didn't show any eyes, but we as the audience didn't have any problems connecting with the character or figuring out who or what he was looking at.
These are films with situations that are completely controlled and manipulated to make sure the audience knows what the character is feeling and thinking. It’s not real life where miscommunication is rampant.