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The Fight is On! Palm vs. Apple

Small White Car said:
If Microsoft gives permission to connect to outlook, why isn't Apple giving permission to connect to iTunes?

Tell me which company you think is right and which one you think is wrong.

Should Apple give in to Palm or should Microsoft start blocking the iPhone? You have to pick one. Clearly, to each person, one is right and one is wrong. I'm asking which company is which one, in your opinion.

(Either choice is fine, it's an opinion question. No right or wrong answer.)
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Apple does give permission to sync with iTunes, just not syncing WITHIN the application masquerading as an iPod.

The data is in an open XML file (playlists, ratings etc.) and the itunes music is in an openly accessible folder.

This is just Palm being lazy not creating a client to sync with the iTunes library using SUPPORTED methods.

My respect for Palm keeps going down and down.
 
shakenmartini said:
Apple does give permission to sync with iTunes, just not syncing WITHIN the application masquerading as an iPod.

The data is in an open XML file (playlists, ratings etc.) and the itunes music is in an openly accessible folder.

This is just Palm being lazy not creating a client to sync with the iTunes library using SUPPORTED methods.

My respect for Palm keeps going down and down.
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I honestly don't see Palm lasting much longer.....
 
Even with iTunes, Palm still doesn't have the App Store. The Pre will die a slow painful death, trust me. Besides, Apple will just update iTunes and they'll have to start all over again to break in. Notwithstanding all the legal ramifications for Palm doing this in the first place.
 
iphone.aggie said:
Even with iTunes, Palm still doesn't have the App Store. The Pre will die a slow painful death, trust me. Besides, Apple will just update iTunes and they'll have to start all over again to break in. Notwithstanding all the legal ramifications for Palm doing this in the first place.
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I see this palm thing turning into the Jailbreak thing..... each update will break it and then the people will undo what apple did and continue until there is another update
 
shakenmartini said:
Apple does give permission to sync with iTunes, just not syncing WITHIN the application masquerading as an iPod.

The data is in an open XML file (playlists, ratings etc.) and the itunes music is in an openly accessible folder.

This is just Palm being lazy not creating a client to sync with the iTunes library using SUPPORTED methods.
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This is the first I've ever heard of this. Does anyone else do this?

You may have single-handedly changed my opinion on this 100%.

Can you link to anything that explains this? I've never heard of it.
 
Small White Car said:
SO, to recap:

When the iPod was new, people said "Don't buy it! You get locked in with their evil iTunes DRM!"

I would come on these boards and say "Fools! You don't have to buy online! I buy CDs or MP3s from other stores! You don't have to lock yourself in! Get an iPod!"

And now, it seems, I was wrong and those people were right. Using iTunes DOES lock you in to Apple products. I should have listened to those anti-Apple folks that I spent so much time arguing against. They were right and I was wrong and now my music is stuck to my iPhone. Buying non-DRM music didn't help one bit.

Great.
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Somewhere in the world.... Steve Jobs just read this and giggled.;)
 
shakenmartini said:
Apple does give permission to sync with iTunes, just not syncing WITHIN the application masquerading as an iPod.

The data is in an open XML file (playlists, ratings etc.) and the itunes music is in an openly accessible folder.

This is just Palm being lazy not creating a client to sync with the iTunes library using SUPPORTED methods.

My respect for Palm keeps going down and down.
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You couldn't be more right. But I highly doubt Palm is going to create a media client that can take the XML file and put it to use. They spend too much time and money trying to trick computers into thinking their phone is an iPod, lol.

EDIT: Apple isn't really giving permission or anything, it's just that they aren't hiding the XML files and the music folders.
 
Maclver said:
I honestly don't see Palm lasting much longer.....
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And your reason...? Palm sold more Palm Pre's in it's first month than they sold phones the entire last quarter. You don't need iPhone success to survive.

iphone.aggie said:
Even with iTunes, Palm still doesn't have the App Store. The Pre will die a slow painful death, trust me. Besides, Apple will just update iTunes and they'll have to start all over again to break in. Notwithstanding all the legal ramifications for Palm doing this in the first place.
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They have the App Catalog, which just opened its SDK a few days ago. Also, there is no "legal ramifications" for syncing a Pre with iTunes. Just as there is no "legal ramifications" for jail-breaking an iPhone. Just because Apple doesn't like it doesn't mean its illegal.
 
Small White Car said:
This is the first I've ever heard of this. Does anyone else do this?

You may have single-handedly changed my opinion on this 100%.

Can you link to anything that explains this? I've never heard of it.
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Yes, I know that Nokia does as well as Blackberry, I think a few other companies do too. Again, Apple supports this method and has for a LONG time.

Also I think this is the method Amazon uses to import MP3's bought from their store, again a method which Apple supports perfectly even though it is a direct competitor.

There is also a for pay Pre application that syncs iTunes to the Pre using the same XML file although the name escapes me now.
 
Small White Car said:
Well, if shakenmartini is correct, my post is totally wrong.
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Unless you go create a media client yourself that will do it.... your first post is correct.

Maybe you can go make your own and Palm will be willing to share the $753 in profits they had last year. :eek: No no no, I'm just kidding. They didn't make any money at all.
 
shakenmartini said:
Yes, I know that Nokia does as well as Blackberry, I think a few other companies do too. Again, Apple supports this method and has for a LONG time.

Also I think this is the method Amazon uses to import MP3's bought from their store, again a method which Apple supports perfectly even though it is a direct competitor.

There is also a for pay Pre application that syncs iTunes to the Pre using the same XML file although the name escapes me now.
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Wow, forget what I said. I didn't realize this stuff was going on. Now Palm just comes across as extremely petty in this whole ordeal!
 
Small White Car said:
SO, to recap:

When the iPod was new, people said "Don't buy it! You get locked in with their evil iTunes DRM!"

I would come on these boards and say "Fools! You don't have to buy online! I buy CDs or MP3s from other stores! You don't have to lock yourself in! Get an iPod!"

And now, it seems, I was wrong and those people were right. Using iTunes DOES lock you in to Apple products. I should have listened to those anti-Apple folks that I spent so much time arguing against. They were right and I was wrong and now my music is stuck to my iPhone. Buying non-DRM music didn't help one bit.

Great.
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What are you talking about? Music bought on iTunes can be burned onto CDs... how is that stuck to your iPhone? Those same CDs can be added to other music libraries other than iTunes.

CDs bought in other stores can be placed in any media library.

No idea what you are talking about.

Secondly, Microsoft never came out with a patch that blocked the iPhone from syncing. Apple blocked the Pre and Palm decided to "unblock it" for the moment. This is a huge difference.

Your argument isn't factual, it is fallible.
 
Packersfan27 said:
By somewhere in the world, do you mean Cupertino? :D

This reminds me of some sort of school playground fight or something :p
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Just because you live somewhere, doesn't necessarily mean you're there 100% of the time.

School playground fight? What are you talking about?
 
Vyriss said:
They have the App Catalog, which just opened its SDK a few days ago. Also, there is no "legal ramifications" for syncing a Pre with iTunes. Just as there is no "legal ramifications" for jail-breaking an iPhone. Just because Apple doesn't like it doesn't mean its illegal.
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Wrong, hacking iTunes and not using supported methods breaks the license agreement for using iTunes.

Also I am pretty sure Palm is able to do this using proprietary knowledge of iTunes taken from former Apple engineers, too which is illegal.
 
nehunte said:
Wow, forget what I said. I didn't realize this stuff was going on. Now Palm just comes across as extremely petty in this whole ordeal!
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...Except that tricking iTunes into thinking it's a iPod is still the only way to play DRM'd iTunes music.
 
Small White Car said:
SO, to recap:

When the iPod was new, people said "Don't buy it! You get locked in with their evil iTunes DRM!"

I would come on these boards and say "Fools! You don't have to buy online! I buy CDs or MP3s from other stores! You don't have to lock yourself in! Get an iPod!"

And now, it seems, I was wrong and those people were right. Using iTunes DOES lock you in to Apple products. I should have listened to those anti-Apple folks that I spent so much time arguing against. They were right and I was wrong and now my music is stuck to my iPhone. Buying non-DRM music didn't help one bit.

Great.
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Why are you locked in? Do you lack the intelligence to get your music out of iTunes to put it on whatever device or media you want?
 
iPhone Savvy said:
What are you talking about? Music bought on iTunes can be burned onto CDs...
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Oh yes, quite convenient. Let me just purchase this music off iTunes.... Ok, now let me just simply burn it to a CD..... ok.... now let me just rip it back to my computer on a different media client... ok, there we go. Alright, that wasn't way more complicated than it needed to be.:p
 
ogdogg said:
Why are you locked in? Do you lack the intelligence to get your music out of iTunes to put it on whatever device or media you want?
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Have you read the rest of the thread?

That post was written before I knew that it was possible to get playlists and star ratings from the iTunes XML file.

I didn't know you could do that. Now that I do, I already said that post was wrong.
 
Small White Car said:
SO, to recap:

When the iPod was new, people said "Don't buy it! You get locked in with their evil iTunes DRM!"

I would come on these boards and say "Fools! You don't have to buy online! I buy CDs or MP3s from other stores! You don't have to lock yourself in! Get an iPod!"

And now, it seems, I was wrong and those people were right. Using iTunes DOES lock you in to Apple products. I should have listened to those anti-Apple folks that I spent so much time arguing against. They were right and I was wrong and now my music is stuck to my iPhone. Buying non-DRM music didn't help one bit.

Great.
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You are totally wrong.

Any music in iTunes can now be upgraded to non-DRM. Anything you manually imported has no DRM.

So you can copy your non-DRM iTunes music to another device, computer or what have you and it will play perfectly.

You can even use the iTuens XML file to take your playlists, ratings, Podcast subscriptions with you to any other application if they were to write a simple importer (which many do such as Nokia and Blackberry).

iTunes no longer locks you into a specific device, you just cannot sync to any non-supported devices WITHIN iTunes for obvious reasons (why should Apple support other devices within their app when they already provide access to your music and playlists?).
 
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