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I just want the return of the Motorola RAZR V3 to use as a 2nd phone for calls only. 😀
 
I am an apple user since 3gs model. I do have iphone 13 pro max, ipad pro 12.9, ipad mini 6, apple tv boxes, airpods max, airpod, airpods pro, macbook pro, mac mini..I gave my second iphone 13 pro max to my family and started looking for some deals. I have seen fold 3 multiple times in best buy but I am not convinced myself with the tall design and small vertical front screen. But this thanksgiving, samsung and google had excellent trade-in promos so I want to try them and see how these devices actually works.

I got samsung s22 ultra 256 for approx 500$ - it is very good phone and happy with the battery life. Photos are amazing. Overall it is solid purchase for this money. May be not for 1000$.

next, I got google 7 pro for 400-500$ - very good phone for this price. Similar to s22 ultra and overall happy with the purchase.

next I got an offer which I could not refuse..z fold 4 512gb for 900$ after tradein (including ebay refurb phone price as tradein) and free classic 4 watch. Z fold 4 is awesome and I know about screen issues and hinge related problems. So i purchased samsung warranty. It actually going to replace ipad mini in my usecase. Also it is very useful to read books. Social media usage with big screen is fun and having two apps like maps and apple music side by side while driving is very useful feature.

android - versions 12 and 13 are really shows their improvements and smooth performance overall. Battery life is also not bad at all with all the live video screen animations, always on display features etc.,but still need to improve a lot with their wearables and eco system integration. Android software push is the worst across multiple devices. Why the h.. they want to have custom versions for carriers also, I have no clue.

final comments…stop being like teens and school kids to argue over brand loyalty. It is my hard earned money and I want to buy what suits my requirements. For 95% of the general users, both operating systems works great. I am just bored with apple‘s lack of innovation in the last few years. Am I leaving apple, no way. Apple echo system is the best..hands down..seamless integration and best privacy and security are the selling points to buy apple products not their innovative products at this point. If apple keep offering trade-in offers to get me new phone every 2-3 years, I am good, but not going to give 1200+ for the same boring design.
 
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I still haven't seen a folding phone in the wild. I only see nerdy tech YouTubers with them like Linus Tech Tips. While I love Linus, at around $2000 with limited water resistance and durability issues, camera quality, and how some of the apps glitch moving into "tablet" mode, it's definitely not ready for everyone. And I think that's clear when you look at the adoption.

Apple will enter the market when the hardware is more mature and they can crack the software/hardware fusion. That's what they specialize in. It won't be cheap but Apple will make it look beautiful and it will once again be considered a status symbol. I might buy one if it can be used like an iPad mini when open, but not if there is a lot of sacrifice to features or camera quality, and I'll definitely move away from yearly upgrades since it will be expensive.
This must be a USA thing as I see them all the time in uk.
 
I’m so glad you guys got sponsored by Samsung!
Hopefully the extra money will finance some fine reporting going forward 👍
 
Apple doesn’t make a foldable because the technology sucks. There’s still an obvious crease line. Until there comes a tech in displays that’s more seamless, I can’t see Apple getting on board.
 
The problem is, the use case for that is incredibly small. Sure, it takes ten times as long to transfer a 20 GB file to or from my iPhone. Now explain to me why I would want to transfer a 20 GB file to or from my phone. Hint: if you have to supply me a reason, you’ve already lost the argument.

I’ve never found a need for such a transfer. And I haven’t plugged my phone in for any sort of data transfer in years. You might as well be trying to sell me on the idea that Android phones are so much better as sending morse code or smoke signals. So what?

And while, yes, there are people out there who need to do such transfers (people shooting serious movies on iPhones come to mind), I’ve never run across anyone personally who has had that need. And I expect that that position is pretty common amonastic iPhone users. So, sure, it’s a great sales point - for 2% of the market.
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"2% of the market" is the percentage of people who don't cover the iPhone with a case and yet, it's design is a huge sales point...

2nd
Speed transfer shouldn't be a huge sales point, but a must. It's a completely different concept. Don't mix things up.

3th
USB-C by it's own, is a huge sales point in the long term. Who wants to care about Lighting cables when everything out there (even the top iPads) is USB-C?

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Your quote "hint: if you have to supply me a reason, you’ve already lost the argument" is just hilarious by it's own, but anyway, as you talked about shooting movies, ProRes recording is a top feature of iPhone 14 Pro, and is 6GB/minute. So just 3,3 minutes is 20GB, aimed only to the 2% of the market or not, Apple is proud of such a a feature and they spend a lot of money advertising it. So yes, I think they see ProRes as a huge sales point and a huge topic for pro users. The only thing they don't mention to the public is how slow your are going to import those files to "Final Cut".
 
I don’t know, maybe I’m the problem here but has anybody else noticed both Samsung and Microsoft have used irritating black man in their anti-Apple ads? It’s weird and I don’t know what the intention is. They could be fall guys or simple pandering to the black demographic.

Also, Microsoft made their ad private 😆😆😆 I had to find a screengrab from an article!
Seems like that Microsoft ad is quite old. I'll compare the latest Surface Pro 9 to the latest iPad Pro.

The cheapest Surface Pro 9 starts at around $1000. Going with the ARM-based Microsoft SQ3, which also adds 5G support, adds around $250 to the cost. If you aren't using the SQ3, you're going with Intel. I'll go with the SQ3 because I feel better comparing two ARM-based devices. The cheapest memory and storage option for an SQ3-based Surface Pro 9 (8GB RAM with 128GB Storage) is around $1,250. That's just with the current discount, the normal price is around $1,300.

The latest 11" iPad Pro starts at around $800, with the ARM-based M2. Throwing in Cellular (and thus 5G support) brings it to around $1000. Increasing the base storage to 512GB while also having Cellular brings it to around $1,300.

Yes, I know the Surface Pro 9 isn't running a mobile-based OS, but I obviously wouldn't be using one to play Crysis.

This is just a quick look at the raw specs. Make your own decision.
 
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You just reminded me that it's been a while since I plugged my iPhone to my Mac in order to transfer anything. It's either airdrop or iCloud these days.

I think what this just goes to show is that it's very hard these days to devise an attack video targeting supposed iPhone drawbacks / limitations that consumers genuinely care about. Yeah, you can probably create a list of features that iPhone is presumably lagging behind in, and then you realise that it just doesn't apply to the general populace.
ProRes recording is a top feature of iPhone 14 Pro, and is 6GB/minute. So just 3,3 minutes is 20GB, aimed only to the 2% of the market or not, Apple is proud of such a a feature and they spend a lot of money advertising it. So yes, I think they see ProRes as a huge sales point and a huge topic for pro users. The only thing they don't mention to the public is how slow your are going to import those files to "Final Cut".

But lets see this in this other way, Lighting is using USB 2.0 a 20 years old tech that no body is using anymore. iPhone pro 14 Max 1TB is the most expensive and flagship device of Apple.

Is a shame, just a small cost for them and the only reason they dont upgrade is because they dont want and they save some cents (which turn to be millions)

They are selling 1TB devices and limiting ProRes by software to 256GB iPhones (this is fact, not my opinion), SO you are forced to transmit >100GB files over "fAildrop" or "Lighitng Macqueen".

Try to send 200 GB video over Aridrop (50-60MB/s between MacStudio and iPhone 14 Pro, the best devices Apple is selling) or at a USB 2.0 (30MB/s) trasnfer speed (the same port G4 where using back in 2003)

"Pro" can't be paired with USB 2.0 in 2022. Period. no matter how many users are going to use it. It's a shame.
 
I had NEVER seen a Flip or Fold until recently, at my cousin’s wedding. One of her other cousins had the newest Fold.

Pretty cool, and like in the commercial, it did catch my eye, and I did want to take a closer look. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Am I switching, though? Nope. My 13 Mini was incredible. My 14 Pro max is incredible.
 
Lastly, out of those who are on the fence — it's what their friends will think that is stopping them?!
fwiw, I've had several people ask me about my Flip4 when they've seen me with it.

As for why they don't get one themselves, cost is the biggest barrier -- the people that I see that are interested carry cheapy androids. I think any of them couldn't care less about phone peer pressure.
 
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What I took away from this is that in America, people judge each other by what brand of phone they use.
Sounds farfetched? We've literally had people on this forum say their friends would not speak to them anymore if they bought anything but an iPhone.
I don't have the vocabulary to fully express how 'king sad and pathetic that is.
I'm very glad that's 'not a thing' in the UK.
Especially considering iPhones are very very much the underdog here as personal phones.
What else is sad is how rude the Apples get in the RCS thread toward greens. Like nasty rude.
 
and 4th
Your quote "hint: if you have to supply me a reason, you’ve already lost the argument" is just hilarious by it's own, but anyway, as you talked about shooting movies, ProRes recording is a top feature of iPhone 14 Pro, and is 6GB/minute. So just 3,3 minutes is 20GB, aimed only to the 2% of the market or not, Apple is proud of such a a feature and they spend a lot of money advertising it. So yes, I think they see ProRes as a huge sales point and a huge topic for pro users. The only thing they don't mention to the public is how slow your are going to import those files to "Final Cut".
To be clear, I'm not arguing in favor of Lightning over USB-C, I'm saying that "you'll be able to transfer ginormous files X times faster over a cable" is not the huge selling point that it was being put forth as - because it's entirely outside of the use case of the vast majority of users. Yes, it'll be a great benefit in the abstract, but it will only be meaningful to a tiny fraction of users. So, nice data point? Sure. Major selling point to hype up in lots of ads? Not so much.

Your point about cases doesn't really work - Apple cares, and is quite proud of, what the phone looks like (hell, they care about what the inside looks like), entirely separate from the fact that most people use a case.

And the bit you found hilarious I suspect you don't understand. Great features are the ones where you show it to someone and a light bulb goes on for them and they say "OMG I NEED THIS". Apple has had a number of those over the years. If you tell most users that they can now transfer huge files, over a cable, to a computer, 10 times faster, most will say, "but I never do that". So, you tell them, "but if you were shooting a feature film with your phone", and they'll say, "but I don't do that". And you continue, "and you were ending up with 20GB files you wanted to transfer to your computer over a cable so you could edit them into your movie project", and they would reiterate, "I told you, I don't do that." If you're having to hand people an artificial use case that they don't have on their own, the selling point doesn't work - to them, it's a solution in search of a problem. (Not because there isn't a problem, but because it isn't their problem).

Coming at it from the original side, if Samsung hypes the hell out of, "you can transfer a large file from a Samsung phone to a computer using a cable 10x faster than an iPhone", most everyone who isn't chasing spec sheet numbers will say, "so what? I don't do that." It carries about as much weight for most people as 3D TV did.

(To be clear, production companies who have shot actual movies - or commercials or whatever - on iPhones do have a serious problem with the ability to get video off the phone, which, from what I've heard, they work around by having a whole bank of phones - when one is full, they hand it off and switch to another, and assistants oversee offloading video from the "spare" phones to make sure they always have a fresh one ready to go. This is clearly a serious shortcoming for them, but that market likely soaks up a few thousand phones at most, while Apple is making upwards of half a million phones a day, every single day. Even "a drop in the bucket" is overstating the "feature film production" share of the iPhone market. When Apple puts in USB-C, they'll probably highlight this benefit in the keynote, but it's still not a major selling pount for ordinary users.)

For most people's use cases, I suspect they'd like to have any video they shot upload to the cloud faster, wirelessly. A lot of them don't see their computer (if they have one) as a primary target for that video they shot. It'll be watched locally, or shared to friends (not over a cable), or uploaded to social media of some sort.
 


Samsung today shared another ad in its anti-Apple "On the Fence" series that encourages iPhone users to switch over to Samsung devices.


In the spot, a man sits on a literal fence while a woman using a Galaxy Z Flip 4 starts a conversation. "I used to be you," she says. "Sitting on the fence between Apple and Samsung." The man laments on how he wants to switch to a Samsung device, but he's worried about what his iPhone-using friends will think. She goes on to explain that he should be, because his friends will be jealous.

"When you pull out your new Galaxy Z Flip 4, people are going to lose it," she says. "They'll never leave you alone." After that, she hands him one of the Z Flip 4 smartphones, and people immediately start popping up around him commenting on how cool the Samsung phone is. "I could get used to this," he says, jumping off of the fence to the Samsung side.

Unlike Apple, Samsung has a habit of naming and shaming Apple devices in its ads. Just this morning, a World Cup-themed ad from Samsung mocked Apple for not offering a foldable smartphone option.

Samsung in November launched the first ad in the On the Fence series, and many of its recent ad spots have been making fun of Apple for its lack of a foldable iPhone. There continues to be no word on when Apple might debut a foldable device, but reliability, durability, and cost could be holding the Cupertino company back.

Article Link: 'The Galaxy Awaits You' Says Samsung in Anti-Apple Ad Pushing Z Flip 4
I like the nod to apples original score to their switch ads, very close to it! Funny stuff
 
To be clear, I'm not arguing in favor of Lightning over USB-C, I'm saying that "you'll be able to transfer ginormous files X times faster over a cable" is not the huge selling point that it was being put forth as - because it's entirely outside of the use case of the vast majority of users. Yes, it'll be a great benefit in the abstract, but it will only be meaningful to a tiny fraction of users. So, nice data point? Sure. Major selling point to hype up in lots of ads? Not so much.

Your point about cases doesn't really work - Apple cares, and is quite proud of, what the phone looks like (hell, they care about what the inside looks like), entirely separate from the fact that most people use a case.

And the bit you found hilarious I suspect you don't understand. Great features are the ones where you show it to someone and a light bulb goes on for them and they say "OMG I NEED THIS". Apple has had a number of those over the years. If you tell most users that they can now transfer huge files, over a cable, to a computer, 10 times faster, most will say, "but I never do that". So, you tell them, "but if you were shooting a feature film with your phone", and they'll say, "but I don't do that". And you continue, "and you were ending up with 20GB files you wanted to transfer to your computer over a cable so you could edit them into your movie project", and they would reiterate, "I told you, I don't do that." If you're having to hand people an artificial use case that they don't have on their own, the selling point doesn't work - to them, it's a solution in search of a problem. (Not because there isn't a problem, but because it isn't their problem).

Coming at it from the original side, if Samsung hypes the hell out of, "you can transfer a large file from a Samsung phone to a computer using a cable 10x faster than an iPhone", most everyone who isn't chasing spec sheet numbers will say, "so what? I don't do that." It carries about as much weight for most people as 3D TV did.

(To be clear, production companies who have shot actual movies - or commercials or whatever - on iPhones do have a serious problem with the ability to get video off the phone, which, from what I've heard, they work around by having a whole bank of phones - when one is full, they hand it off and switch to another, and assistants oversee offloading video from the "spare" phones to make sure they always have a fresh one ready to go. This is clearly a serious shortcoming for them, but that market likely soaks up a few thousand phones at most, while Apple is making upwards of half a million phones a day, every single day. Even "a drop in the bucket" is overstating the "feature film production" share of the iPhone market. When Apple puts in USB-C, they'll probably highlight this benefit in the keynote, but it's still not a major selling pount for ordinary users.)

For most people's use cases, I suspect they'd like to have any video they shot upload to the cloud faster, wirelessly. A lot of them don't see their computer (if they have one) as a primary target for that video they shot. It'll be watched locally, or shared to friends (not over a cable), or uploaded to social media of some sort.
well I see your point and agree 🖤

anyway, Airdrops sucks, it never works when you need it and people makes fun of it. Faildrop... ahem
 
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anyway, Airdrops sucks, it never works when you need it and people makes fun of it. Faildrop... ahem
Airdrop has always worked great for me, but I'm only using it to send single images or URLs or snippets of text. I wouldn't want to try using it to transfer enormous files. For much more than, say, 30 seconds of 1080p or 4k video, I'd much rather see a persistent and restartable protocol (something like rsync, where if a transfer fails partway through, you can restart and have it pick up where it left off). And for something like dozens of minutes, or even hours, of ProRes video, you really want to go to USB-C or similar to get reasonable throughput and reliability.
 
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