The "iHate the Paste from notifications, plus do we really need Green and Orange dots" thread?

[AZhappyjack]

Also, I don’t understand why you would complain when Apple is trying to provide you more privacy details lol

Because haters gotta hate. I cannot imagine in what world more information about privacy details is a bad thing. Apple implemented this feature and has already exposed several apps for spying on us. I am always glad to know who is spying on me and my data.

 

[StumpyBloke]

Bottom line:

the green and orange dots are useless, so is the paste from notifications....

You might think so, and of course you’re entitled to, but I can pretty much guarantee you’re in the tiny minority.

I love these two new features especially the dots.

 

[iMi]

To hate something so trivial seems overblown. I personally like the new feature. Sure, in some cases it seems pointless. I know that the phone app is using my microphone when I’m on a call. On the other hand, I like being able to know if another app is using either camera or microphone without me knowing.

 

[Ansath]

But if it's happening on the screen you're looking at, wouldn't you see this "ghostly" paste happen, anyway?

It might be pasting it in the background, and sending that data back to who knows where. There was a lot of articles about various apps accessing the clipboard a couple months back, where no-one knew they were accessing it, until the 14.0 beta revealed it..

 

[mpavilion]

It might be pasting it in the background, and sending that data back to who knows where. There was a lot of articles about various apps accessing the clipboard a couple months back, where no-one knew they were accessing it, until the 14.0 beta revealed it..

I hear you; I understand the utility in those cases. It's the notifying of you of a paste that's occurring before your eyes (which you initiated) that I wondered if really necessary.

 

[Ansath]

I hear you; I understand the utility in those cases. It's the notifying of you of a paste that's occurring before your eyes (which you initiated) that I wondered if really necessary.

How else would it notify you? If some random app is accessing your clipboard when it shouldn't, and you have personal information in there, you'd want to know as soon as it happens, surely?

 

[mpavilion]

How else would it notify you? If some random app is accessing your clipboard when it shouldn't, and you have personal information in there, you'd want to know as soon as it happens, surely?

Yes... but if I'm the one doing the pasting, I would prefer not to be notified (feel like we're going in circles here, lol).

 

[C DM]

Yes... but if I'm the one doing the pasting, I would prefer not to be notified (feel like we're going in circles here, lol).

At the moment it doesn't seem like there's an option for something like that. It's hard to say if things could be differentiated on that level, and even if they could if Apple would provide an option based on that differentiation. That's pretty much where things are currently in relation to that.

 

[Ansath]

Yes... but if I'm the one doing the pasting, I would prefer not to be notified (feel like we're going in circles here, lol).

As stated, there’s no way to differentiate. So it’s better to know, than to not know.

 

[animatedude]

How does it know if you're the one instigating the paste, and not a rogue app simulating touch input to do so?

Are you serious man? they know everything about you, you don't think they can change the software to fir this purpose? they can.
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Really? I just found out the Reddit app I was using (casually) is copying everything from my clipboard.

I said goodbye to that app. You might enjoy being a data point for companies without notice or compensation, but I sure as hell don’t.

you are right, i don't want Tim Apple see my nose vagina

 

[Ansath]

Are you serious man? they know everything about you, you don't think they can change the software to fir this purpose? they can.

Pasting from clipboard can be instigated by the app, and it’s no different from being via the user.

 

[Ansath]

you are right, i don't want Tim Apple see my nose vagina

Yea, and you don’t mind if an app roguely records you whilst you’re on the phone to your bank, or having private conversations, or whatnot..... All because you hate a small unintusive green or orange dot.

 

[animatedude]

You obviously have no idea, so maybe refrain from making a daft comment like that. Pasting from clipboard can be instigated by the app, and it’s no different from being via the user.

and you don't think they adjust something in the software to make it create Notifications in case an app is copying something , but not to if you are the one who's copying from other apps?

 

[James Godfrey]

What I am starting to really hate about iOS now is some apps when first opened its like a huge interrogation...

Allow notifications?
Allow access to photos?
Allow access to camera?
Allow access to mic?
Allow access to location?

I wish it would just all come up in one notification were you can select what it can and can’t access

 

[C DM]

What I am starting to really hate about iOS now is some apps when first opened its like a huge interrogation...

Allow notifications?
Allow access to photos?
Allow access to camera?
Allow access to mic?
Allow access to location?

I wish it would just all come up in one notification were you can select what it can and can’t access

It's pretty much always been like that.

 

[TheSkywalker77]

Simple solution for you,

Never copy and paste anything.
Never use your microphone.
Never use your camera.

Thank me later.

 

[Vlad Soare]

and you don't think they adjust something in the software to make it create Notifications in case an app is copying something , but not to if you are the one who's copying from other apps?

Nope. Not possible. You obviously have no idea how these things work internally. That's absolutely fine, it's nothing to be ashamed of, but at least don't argue with those who do.

 

[Shirasaki]

Ok, theres another case where that notification might be helpful. And thats non-registered user initiated copy/paste.

I personally encountered this several times when I wanted to copy something, but did not press the button hard enough or at the right hit box, then it never got copied. I was forced to do it again.

So here we are, one use case where even user initiated action being notified is a good thing.

 

[mpavilion]

Nope. Not possible. You obviously have no idea how these things work internally. That's absolutely fine, it's nothing to be ashamed of, but at least don't argue with those who do.

To be fair, no one here seems to actually know for sure how it works or what is possible... everyone seems to be speculating, on both “sides.” It would be helpful for a programmer to show up (or at identify themselves, if they are here)!

 

[Vlad Soare]

Fair point. I can think of two ways they could implement this.
First, if the 'paste' command could also be triggered somehow from outside the app itself (e.g. hardware button, or from the Control Centre, or something like that). In that case iOS could capture the event before the app, which means it could be certain that the event was genuine and not fabricated by the app.
Second, if third party apps were never allowed to manage any kind of edit boxes themselves. Every time an app displayed any kind of edit box, the entire interaction of the user with that edit box would have to go directly through iOS, by-passing the app. Every time the user interacted with the screen, iOS would have to decide whether the interaction happened in an app-managed or iOS-managed area of the screen, and to act accordingly. Not impossible, mind you, but complicated to implement, unnecessarily restrictive, and would require massive changes to the iOS core and possibly loss of functionalities in many apps.
So you're right. It's not impossible. But it's impractical and very unlikely to happen. It's certainly not as easy as just adding an extra 'if' clause to the code, as the OP seems to think.

 

[animatedude]

What I am starting to really hate about iOS now is some apps when first opened its like a huge interrogation...

Allow notifications?
Allow access to photos?
Allow access to camera?
Allow access to mic?
Allow access to location?

I wish it would just all come up in one notification were you can select what it can and can’t access

Tell me about it!

 

[animatedude]

Nope. Not possible. You obviously have no idea how these things work internally. That's absolutely fine, it's nothing to be ashamed of, but at least don't argue with those who do.

I'm not ashamed, i think such feature can be in any upcoming updates

 

[Populus]

With these noticeable security/privacy features, they got me to upgrade the rest of the compatible devices to iOS 14. Remember some apps got caught looking at the clipboard or activate the camera/microphone in the background right after iOS 14 beta released? This is something the users should aware of it out of the box.

Do you think the developers of such apps could tweak their apps to keep pasting/recording on the background without iOS being able to notify it? A way to circumvent this alarms

 

[Vlad Soare]

Only if there was a bug in iOS. Accessing the camera or microphone without iOS knowing about it would be a serious security flaw, which I'm sure Apple would patch in no time.

 

[adrianlondon]

Facebook’s iOS app might be opening the camera in the background without your knowledge

Facebook has submitted a fix to Apple for the issues.

www.theverge.com

Better to have a dot show than wait for someone to spot it, the company to (pretend and) say it's a bug, code a fix, submit the fix for approval, and have the new app version downloaded to your phone.