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The I'm waiting for the new 2013 Haswell models thread

I actually bought a new Sandy Bridge MBP one week before the Ivy Bridge line came out. (And I knew it. :eek:)

Needed it. Couldn't wait a week. Still using it. Never looked back. Plus, it's one of the last machines that can still run OSX Snow Leopard.
 
IMO waiting at this point is not worth it. Apple is currently on about a 8 month release cycle for their MacBookPro's. Sandy was in feb of 2011, sandy bump was in oct 11, ivy was in June 12, and they just did another bump in feb. I wouldn't expect haswell MBPs for 5 or 6 months, probably September or October. If you have a computer right now and it can hold you over wait, but if you don't currently have a computer and need one then waiting just isn't worth it. Most normal users will not notice a difference between the ivy MBP and the haswell MBP.

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andy9l said:
Hardly. You get more for your money by waiting. That said, I'd partially agree with you if it wasn't just around the corner.
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Who said it was just around the corner? It could be 6 months before the Haswell update is here. You do get more for your money by waiting, but is it really worth waiting 4-6 months for a minor processor performance bump.
 
TRAV9614 said:
Who said it was just around the corner? It could be 6 months before the Haswell update is here. You do get more for your money by waiting, but is it really worth waiting 4-6 months for a minor processor performance bump.
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It's not just a processor bump. It's increased graphics performance, more than likely a step up in SSD size (relative to price), other hardware enhancements, and non-ghosting screens.

The refresh won't just be the current rMBP with a Haswell processor in. That's not how it works.
 
andy9l said:
It's not just a processor bump. It's increased graphics performance, more than likely a step up in SSD size (relative to price), other hardware enhancements, and non-ghosting screens.

The refresh won't just be the current rMBP with a Haswell processor in. That's not how it works.
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I know that's not how it works. With the haswell update we will get most of those things, but these things will not be that much better than the current MBP. I just don't think it is worth it to wait several months for these things since it won't make a huge difference for the average user. BTW The ghosting issue and IR issue were fixed in the last spec bump in February.
 
TRAV9614 said:
I just don't think it is worth it to wait several months for these things since it won't make a huge difference for the average user.
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Agreed. I would add, however, that it may be worth it for those looking for a bit more from the 13".

I personally don't like the look of the 15" (had a 15" cMBP for years too) - but I'm not confident with the 13" GPU. Although I don't do anything "intense", I'll be using reasonably large Photoshop documents on a 27" Thunderbolt Display, in clamshell mode. Although I fully believe the current 13" could technically handle it...I don't want a laptop that's going to be jet-engining 8 hours a day!

I want to see what Haswell brings to the table before deciding.

Edit: That said, I've just been informed (in a typical MR aggressive manner) that you can swap the SSDs in a rMBP. That's added another temptation for me personally.
 
jNSK said:
While I agree with that, this is a consumer society my friend. Yes, the newer ones are probably around the corner, but I bought one a few days ago anyway (still waiting for it to come in the mail).

If you spend your time waiting you may be disappointed that you didn't buy it earlier - the current rMBP's are by no means a product to be frowned upon, they are excellent machines and the lag issues are all software-based (software has been improving hence the lag has been improving).

Let's take the nVidia 700-series for example. For my desktop PC, I was going to wait until the middle of this year and get one. I bit the bullet early and got a GTX 680. I'm glad I did that now because they've announced the 700-series are now out in 2014. My point is - my philosophy is that you should buy what's out now and be happy with it (you will be happy with it). It's not going to suddenly be obsolete just because a model with a better processor gets released. Haswell gains are focused more on battery life than they are performance increases...apparently.
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Yeah, I hear ya, but my decision to wait isn't so much about Haswell. In fact, when I decided to wait I didn't know anything about Haswell. I buy a computer once every 5 years or so and I don't want to buy 1st generation. Simple as that. In 2006 I bought the 1st generation intel and I learned my lesson the hard way.
 
unobtainium said:
Those who are waiting may be looking at a 4-5 month wait, since Haswell chips with a fix for the USB 3.0 bug won't be available to Apple until the end of July. Shipping products certainly won't arrive until August, maybe even September. That seems like a long wait. It's basically half a year.

The rMBP was just updated in March. I think the current models are excellent, and if you need one now, you shouldn't hesitate to buy. Haswell will provide nothing more than a modest boost in battery life and better integrated graphics. Kinda pointless for the 15", might be useful on the 13" if you game. The CPU boost is rumoured to be very negligible..

In other words, I don't think it's necessarily worth the wait.
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It was February and it was hardly an update. Minor spec bump at best. Basically a price drop, for the 13" only. And I'm buying the 15". So they ratcheted the existing processor 100 MHz. Some update.
 
I'm fine with the specs of the current 15" models. My issue is the image retention. So, that's why I'm waiting. I'm not buying one until they fix the issues.
 
Same here, but i will only get a Rmbp 13 if it has a dedicated graphics card. NO way i m paying premium if it doesnt have one.
 
TRAV9614 said:
They supposedly fixed that With the February spec bump.
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I don't think the spec bump had anything to do with the screen panels they use. They still fail to acknowledge that there's even a problem for some 15" rmbps.
 
Waiting

I have a 2012 MBP (15.4 inch, non-retina) and love it, but need another for school next year. I am thinking either 11 MBA or 13 retina. Either way, I will wait until September and see about the reviews for the new machines and the prices of the Ivys.

It will be a question of what is worth more to me - the savings on the older computers or the improvements on the new ones.

I really like the size of the air, but not its weak specs. Hope it improves enough to warrant its cost. If not, the 13 retinas seem small and light enough.
 
macman34 said:
Oh, that's good to know, so they ditched the lg panels altogether and are going with samsung? I have a hard time understanding what the actual revisions are based on the thread link you provided.:confused:
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No they still are using LG panels but they are revised and the IR issue is supposed to be fixed.
 
macman34 said:
Oh, that's good to know, so they ditched the lg panels altogether and are going with samsung? I have a hard time understanding what the actual revisions are based on the thread link you provided.:confused:
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No, but there is a new LG panel used which might have fixed the problem, although I have heard that it still has problems.
 
That's good to know guys, although from what I can tell it takes a fair while for ir to develop so I guess we'll tell in a month or two if problems start cropping up. How 'd they pass it off as actually offering a "fixed" panel since they didn't admit that there was any problem to begin with.

The more I think about it, the more I believe that it wasn't just samsung that had to pay a hefty fine from apple's lawsuit, but in way it was us the consumers too that were fined as well, what with apple having to look for inferior tech from others. I am sure if they hadn't gone ahead with the lawsuit we'd have easily have had retina ipad minis and no problems in the rmbps. I don't envy the people who 've paid so much for their rmbps and have come across ir problems. I know I 'd be mad as hell if I 'd bought such an uber expensive computer to have to face such a problem and then have apple turn around and claim that it's normal for lcds screens to have ir, as if lcd tech all of a sudden became plasma screen tech.
 
adjeff8 said:
It was February and it was hardly an update. Minor spec bump at best. Basically a price drop, for the 13" only. And I'm buying the 15". So they ratcheted the existing processor 100 MHz. Some update.
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It was the end of February, you're right. But they changed tons of components inside, dropped the price, and updated the processor. If you're getting a 15" I doubt Haswell will seem like much more of an update. Slightly better battery? Better IGP, which you won't use because you have discrete graphics? 5% CPU boost?
 
unobtainium said:
It was the end of February, you're right. But they changed tons of components inside, dropped the price, and updated the processor. If you're getting a 15" I doubt Haswell will seem like much more of an update. Slightly better battery? Better IGP, which you won't use because you have discrete graphics? 5% CPU boost?
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I am not disagreeing with you, but can you point out somewhere that shows or confirms they changed more in the internals than just a CPU bump?
 
unobtainium said:
It was the end of February, you're right. But they changed tons of components inside, dropped the price, and updated the processor. If you're getting a 15" I doubt Haswell will seem like much more of an update. Slightly better battery? Better IGP, which you won't use because you have discrete graphics? 5% CPU boost?
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About those 'Lots of components' I've heard that. I'm still waiting to hear exactly what components and what good it did the system. All I've heard from the experts is 'We don't know yet' Anyway, we are so close I'd be a fool not to wait for it. I've got my 2009 15" so I'll survive. Also there's the new wifi thing, hopefully a bigger SSD and a possible price drop to consider. Maybe they'll go 100% Samsung display and SSD. Who really knows what else. Maybe they'll sprinkle some magic dust on it. I'm waiting. We will know for sure on June 10.
 
While I'm not completely opposed to waiting myself, most indications are pointing to June 10 being a big iOS 7 event.

Also if Apple is going to introduce new MacBooks, then part leaks should be happening in 3, 2, 1,...

But so far, we've only seen part leaks and rumors for a new iPad and a new iPhone. So my guess is that... you'll have to wait a while to see these new MacBooks.
 
bill-p said:
While I'm not completely opposed to waiting myself, most indications are pointing to June 10 being a big iOS 7 event.

Also if Apple is going to introduce new MacBooks, then part leaks should be happening in 3, 2, 1,...

But so far, we've only seen part leaks and rumors for a new iPad and a new iPhone. So my guess is that... you'll have to wait a while to see these new MacBooks.
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Yeah, if the WWDC comes and goes and nothing is said about the MBP, I might have to reconsider my stance
 
They will probably update the MacBook Pros with Haswell in June, if all the required CPUs (dual and quad core) have shipped. Then they will update MacBook Air a couple of months later. They usually don't update everything at once, due to product differentiation and profit maximization.

I bet you'll see some leaked benchmark results from a Haswell MacBook Pro in May... It's all following the same pattern every year.

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TRAV9614 said:
No they still are using LG panels but they are revised and the IR issue is supposed to be fixed.
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First it was 'were fixed', then 'supposedly fixed', then 'maybe fixed'...

Point it, no one knows if it is fixed, because neither Apple or LG will ever acknowledge there was a defect in the first place. You'll just have to wait 5-6 months to really know if that new revision actually fixed anything...

That's how they treat their customers.
 
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