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This is funny, but seriously Apple's keyboard seems a lot nicer to me. First of all, it eliminates the need for the over-engineered "hinge" on the Surface, which I never liked, and it also folds over better so when not in use your fingers aren't awkwardly gripping a bunch of buttons.
I'd be interested in a comparison with the new pro and the Samsung Galaxy note pro 12.2 by someone with access to both. As a math teacher, I'm intrigued by the idea of a replacement for paper, or paper notebooks.
Apple's product is better simply by virtue of superior software support. The pen also looks superior, but without hands on experiences it's hard to say at this point.
Is anyone else disappointed that they didn't offer a 256 GB version? I was hoping for a device that Would hold all of my games and photos without the need for cloud storage. The surface goes all the way to, what, 512GB?
Lightning connector at USB 2.0 speeds, so I can't use it as a secondary display for my Macbook. TFT display which is lower quality than IPS displays in my iPad Air or my Macbook. Price is too high for an IOS device and the accessories are silly expensive. No USB-C for data transfer speed and fast charging.
I'm sure that version 2 will fix most of these shortcomings, but what's the point of increased storage bandwidth and gimp it with Lightning/USB 2.0?
I'm sure that version 2 will fix most of these shortcomings, but what's the point of increased storage bandwidth and gimp it with Lightning/USB 2.0?
My first Mac, lo those many years ago, was a 512KE. The iPad Pro by comparison:
It cannot handle traditional windowing? That could be freaking awesome on a touch screen – I really want that.
It has absolutely no kind of direct access to the file system. That is the kicker. I tried to put a quick hand-coded page up on a web server (via FileBrowser FTP) and it was a royal PITA getting to page itself out of a text editor. I really want to be able to handle my own files to a reasonable extent. In fact, I would pay Apple $50.us for that, maybe even more.
"Pro" is pretty and powerful, but it comes up short for me (admittedly, I am an outlier, but still…).
- more than 28x the screen real estate
- more than 40,000 times the storage (smallest model vs one floppy drive)
- 4,000 times as much RAM (if it is 2Gb)
- more than 200 times the processor speed (several 64-bit cores + several GPU cores, vs 1 32-bit core on a 16-bit data bus)
- ridiculous size/weight and electric power demand comparisons
It cannot handle traditional windowing? That could be freaking awesome on a touch screen – I really want that.
It has absolutely no kind of direct access to the file system. That is the kicker. I tried to put a quick hand-coded page up on a web server (via FileBrowser FTP) and it was a royal PITA getting to page itself out of a text editor. I really want to be able to handle my own files to a reasonable extent. In fact, I would pay Apple $50.us for that, maybe even more.
"Pro" is pretty and powerful, but it comes up short for me (admittedly, I am an outlier, but still…).
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Oh think of the GORGEOUS resolution and size and how amazing it would be to read comics on that beautiful screen. And Apple Pencil? How long have I waited for the perfect stylus... not to mention the amount of $$ I have frittered away on Styli that never were meant to be used with the original iPad series.
Pencil appears to be a nice device. But if this thing won't run Adobe Photoshop, it is not of any use to me.
Apple tosses around the "Pro" designation a little too freely, if you ask me. I think they talked about video editing with this iPad, but what "Pro" level app is available in IOS for that? IMovie? Puh-leeze!
And like you said, the lack of a user accessible file system is nuts, although it's not like you're going to have a whole lot of files with only 128GB storage.
An iPad "Pro" in my opinion would run OSX. Until then, I'm not even interested.
I'm mixed on iPad Pro. It should be $100 cheaper across the board, especially with Apple charging $100+ for the keyboard and stylus. This is clearly designed to compete with the Surface Pro 3, though I don't see much reason to choose the iPad Pro when the Surface runs full Windows.
The 128GB model only makes sense if you're someone like a graphics designer. Otherwise, a 13" rMBP would make more sense.
The 128GB model only makes sense if you're someone like a graphics designer. Otherwise, a 13" rMBP would make more sense.
It looks really cool but I already have a rMBP, I'm good. That pencil, tho!
The iPad Pro turned out to be little more than the "iPad RT".
Even at that, my Surface 2 (running Windows RT) is still more capable than this iPad Pro. Very disappointed The iPad Pro turned out to be little more than the "iPad RT".
Even at that, my Surface 2 (running Windows RT) is still more capable than this iPad Pro. Very disappointed
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yep, if it had 256GB it would be a day one purchase for me, 512GB would have been a dream. I would also love to hold all my photo's/videos/films/tv shows on an iPad. Don't think its for me with just 128GB
I'm thrilled they dumped the 16g. In todays world 16g is virtually useless on a device like this.
I will be aiming for the 128GB with LTE. Can't be beat, as a traveller it'll lighten my load as compared to a Macbook Pro and I can have data anywhere, and still be able to edit my photos and videos. I'm sold. The pencil and keyboard are the icing and cherry on top for me. I'll be waiting for the pre orders
The iPad Pro turned out to be little more than the "iPad RT".
Really? That's what you 'saw'?
I saw a device "shown" by professionals, artists and doctors. I'm excited for what it'll do in the cockpit. The speed of the 9x alone blows the doors off your Surface 'RT', not to mention the lack of an App Store with quality.
The Apple Pencil is of similar price to active styli of quality ...just twice the price of the best passive 'nubs'
The rendering speed while dissecting the tissue was phenomenal, incredible detail and abilities to annotate, again ...back to the pencil, the incredible sensors rival anything Wacom has done and we were paying a few thousand a couple years ago for this size 'pad', subtract the 'computer'
As an owner of the Air 1 and 2 and regularly experience the speed differences, I'd be amiss to forget mentioning the speed of the A9X. If it's truly twice as quick as the 8x, I'd bet it's got 4GB of RAM. They've increased the read write speed of already some of the fastest NAND on the market and if they're right, the speed of this guy's gonna be close to a ULP core 'i' series with better integrated GPU. The last couple sentences are obviously conjecture and my own feelings but some of the dismissals in this thread are ridiculous.
Sure, the Surface 3 is capable of running 'real' Windows programs, x86 - but it's seriously underpowered for the masses. As a Creeative Cloud subscriber from the beginning and Adobe user for a decade and a ½ --- Adobe's spending more resources and time then EVER on mobile, specifically iOS apps, updates and parities or their desktop apps. From Premier to InDesign, PS and 'artistic/creative & drawing' applications, it seems they're on the front end of killer apps. If you're not a CC subscriber, sure..., it's lame. But then again, it's never been 'cheaper' to use (legally) Photoshop, After Effects, Audition, or Media Converter.
Microsoft, check. Their apps have been phenomenal since their 1.0 release! Office on iOS is incredible, and other than a spreadsheet jockey, I'm at a loss of what businessman or woman isn't satisfied with the $10/month, 5TB, five tablet and five workstation subscription
Again, MS, a company revisiting its roots with its software offerings, and their dedication to mobile.
Other than connectibility that isn't able to be done via Bluetooth, NFC or Wifi/LTE hotspot, this iPad Pro is so much easier to tote around than a 13" rMBP, with a lot of upside if you're using the larger 15.4" rMBP as I've done since the 17" went by the wayside. I've been considering the 13" for a while but don't need the extensive 'ports'. The 12" MacBook being somewhat underpowered for OS X --- the iPad Pro couldn't be more intriguing to me.
This wasn't meant to pick on your comment specifically sracer, but you summed up so much of the negativity in a truly false statement. As so many others are wrong or off track, seem to overlook the expense of other active styli, keyboards of capability and ...of course, Apple's liberal return policy and phenomenal support
I'm buying one. I'm sure plenty will sell. It's cool if you don't need it. But a WHOLE lot of professional and enterprise situations are ripe for this type of device with its backbone and infrastructure of Apple itself, the App Store and the public's knowledge of how to use them ...I see it being a huge boon to education as well. While the price may seem high, you might check out student bookstore prices. Wasted paper, pens, sending and receiving and the ability to respond or reciprocate from a singular device --- I'm not sure this won't be the biggest iPad 'deal' since the transition from iPad 2-->4 & the resolution along with the Air/64 bit all lumped together
Apple TV ... The Watch, the new iPhone is incredible ...today was a real win for Apple IMHO.
Tl/Dr - I disagree
The iPad Pro is still running a mobile OS that doesn't support things like USB devices or pointing devices like mice and trackpads. The iPad Pro still has the same limitations for peripherals as the non-Pro iPad. Yes, the iOS ecosystem is rich and mature. But this thing is going up against the Surface Pro and it falls short in the "Pro" dept.
Processor speeds and feeds are not in and of themselves important to me. I don't stare at spec sheets but use devices to get things done. So I don't particularly care what the clock speeds are of things but how they perform in everyday tasks.
The Apple Pencil is twice as expensive as active styli for Windows tablets.
I've been a pretty vocal advocate for an iPad Pro device on this forum. If Apple had included support for mice/trackpads and kept the price of the device ($800 for 64GB) and peripherals ($50 pencil, $100 keyboard) in line with the competition, I would've been all over it.
Ultimately, the iPad Pro brings only a larger screen and a stylus.
For me this is a missed opportunity. If Apple are going to claim desktop class performance (which it isn't) then let us run our desktop applications on it please.
I'd like a tablet with a skylake chip in it, running OS X. Seems like the best I can do is the first 2 of those things, if I'm willing to use Windows and wait for a Surface Pro 4 (which I'm coming round to!).
I'd like a tablet with a skylake chip in it, running OS X. Seems like the best I can do is the first 2 of those things, if I'm willing to use Windows and wait for a Surface Pro 4 (which I'm coming round to!).
Upload most of your files to iCloud or dropbox and you can get by with 16GB fairly easily. If they had offered a cheaper version with 16GB then it might get down into a price range I would be able to consider.