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Impressive.


I had android before (hTc EVO 3D, nexus S) loved OS & the 4"+ HD LCD but I gave it up and switched back to iPhone (64GB, 4S) because I wanted Siri and being an Apple user I missed iTunes (UI, Library).

seriously dude? you changed your phones bcoz of a computer app - "ITUNES"..i know it's gooood but still, really?
 
I always laugh when iPhone fans say this and the first thing that most do with their amazing iPhone is stick it in a plastic case. I know some go naked but most use cases. So if you have a plastic case on the phone does it really matter if the phone itself is made of plastic?

Not to mention the fact that iPhone was plastic for two generations, one of them still selling very well to this day...

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Yes specs are unimportant, unless apples specs are better, then they are the most important thing.

Spot on!
 
I really, really hope that MR opens up a dedicated sub-forum for these threads discussing the iPhone versus other manufacturers' models....

You might as well just call the the sub-forum "Flame Bait". I'd hate to be the moderator of that area of the forums.
 
In the UK? Good google fail.

I'd also like to see actual sales numbers. A lot of these companies report devices sales to retailers... not the numbers in customer's hands.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2400625,00.asp

According to that, it's 20 million. I think I read somewhere else that a quater of that is in South Korea alone. They really love their SGS2's! I can say if the SGS3 looks like it does in the mockup in the OP's link and performs as least as well as the current model, I will definitely be checking it out.

Will the next one beat the iPhone? Maybe, but I suspect not. The important thing to note is that these are a lot of units moved. More units moved means higher propensity for support and updates. Higher propensity for support and updates means the name and the brand gain popularity as times goes on. Apple rides the same waves. They have sold more of their newest model of iPhone than the model before it year after year. This is a wonderful thing for consumers. We just need to stop looking at things as the "iPhone killer" IMO. It gets us nowhere (other than into arguments).

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You might as well just call the the sub-forum "Flame Bait". I'd hate to be the moderator of that area of the forums.

IDK. This thread has been relatively civil thus far.

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seriously dude? you changed your phones bcoz of a computer app - "ITUNES"..i know it's gooood but still, really?

For those that drop Android just for that reason I recommend looking into doubleTwist. I personally can't stand iTunes or double twist. I much prefer the drag and drop method. Thank god for Google Music. It saved me from my iTunes hell!
 
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I'm seriously considering switching over.

I'm getting sick of apple always Lagging behind in cutting edge tech. There is no reason not to have a larger screen, with 4G technology, with many JB features already enabled from the factory.

The walled garden is getting old.
 
I'm seriously considering switching over.

I'm getting sick of apple always Lagging behind in cutting edge tech. There is no reason not to have a larger screen, with 4G technology, with many JB features already enabled from the factory.

The walled garden is getting old.

I agree with about as many of your points as I disgaree with.

Agree:
1. "Walled garden" is old. Luckily we have jailbreak. Without it, I'd likely have been gone 3+ years ago
2. We should have a larger screen. Unfortunately the way Apple has set up app support (and the fact that the compatability of their apps over ALL devices Apple currently sells) it's tough for them to make a screen bigger without causes app rewrites. IMO this was a lack of forsite for needing scalable resolutions.

Disagree:
1. 4G tech is new and a battery eater. It's really bad right now. Apple is likely waiting for more power efficient radios/chips. I can certainly understand this. No point in 20mbps if it lasts 3 hours tops.
2. Cutting edge tech is a selling point for a lot of Android manufacturers because they load it with a half-baked OS (meaning they add some terrible overlay onto what SHOULD be vanilla Android). They wow people with their specs, whereas Apple wows people with their OS. ICS is good. Really good. I just don't see why more manufacturers don't build around THAT, instead of adding terrible tweaks. Sure I can root and custom rom, but now that's the same amount of trouble as jailbreaking, thus leaving us equal on that front.
 
In the UK? Good google fail.

I'd also like to see actual sales numbers. A lot of these companies report devices sales to retailers... not the numbers in customer's hands.

Ok, I'll be patiently waiting for that info or are you done?
 
I agree with about as many of your points as I disgaree with.

Agree:
1. "Walled garden" is old. Luckily we have jailbreak. Without it, I'd likely have been gone 3+ years ago
2. We should have a larger screen. Unfortunately the way Apple has set up app support (and the fact that the compatability of their apps over ALL devices Apple currently sells) it's tough for them to make a screen bigger without causes app rewrites. IMO this was a lack of forsite for needing scalable resolutions.

Disagree:
1. 4G tech is new and a battery eater. It's really bad right now. Apple is likely waiting for more power efficient radios/chips. I can certainly understand this. No point in 20mbps if it lasts 3 hours tops.
2. Cutting edge tech is a selling point for a lot of Android manufacturers because they load it with a half-baked OS (meaning they add some terrible overlay onto what SHOULD be vanilla Android). They wow people with their specs, whereas Apple wows people with their OS. ICS is good. Really good. I just don't see why more manufacturers don't build around THAT, instead of adding terrible tweaks. Sure I can root and custom rom, but now that's the same amount of trouble as jailbreaking, thus leaving us equal on that front.

JB makes the phone unstable ...I find myself needing to respring maybe once or twice a week, for various random reasons.

Battery life on this phone is not great right now anyway. I remember my old flip phones from a decade ago lasted 3-4 days without a charge. Nowadays I have a charger at home, work, in the car, and a mophie juice pack just in case. Im well aware of poor battery life, but would love to have 4g speeds. not investing in smarter battery technology should not be a barrier for faster data speeds.

While I agree having features without a smooth OS is pretty poor. 4G speeds, larger screen, and basic JB features are industry standards, and Apple is falling behind.

I actually love the Samsung commercials, cause they make me laugh at myself.
 
JB makes the phone unstable ...I find myself needing to respring maybe once or twice a week, for various random reasons.

Battery life on this phone is not great right now anyway. I remember my old flip phones from a decade ago lasted 3-4 days without a charge. Nowadays I have a charger at home, work, in the car, and a mophie juice pack just in case. Im well aware of poor battery life, but would love to have 4g speeds. not investing in smarter battery technology should not be a barrier for faster data speeds.

While I agree having features without a smooth OS is pretty poor. 4G speeds, larger screen, and basic JB features are industry standards, and Apple is falling behind.

I actually love the Samsung commercials, cause they make me laugh at myself.

The jailnreak itself shouldn't make the phone unstable. Whatever packages you added certainly might.

One cannot compare a flip phone to a smart phone. They are different things entirely. It's like comparing a calculator's battery drain to a laptops.

I wouldn't say 4G is an industry standard. There are still far more people with only 3G coverage than those with 4G. I don;t disagree that there are a handful of JB features that are industry standards though, and have been at least since shortly after Android's first launch.

100% agree about the Samsung commercials.

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1080p doesnt matter the human eye cant notice the difference in quality itll be useless to put that stress on a cellphones processor

I think you are confusing ppi with resolution. They aren't the same thing. You would have to increase the dpi by about 100 to get 1080p out of a 4.8" screen. If you didn;t increase it though, you would be under "retina" ppi simply because of the screen size increase.
 
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I think you are confusing ppi with resolution. They aren't the same thing. You would have to increase the dpi by about 100 to get 1080p out of a 4.8" screen. If you didn;t increase it though, you would be under "retina" ppi simply because of the screen size increase.[/QUOTE]

No im fully aware of what I meant lol 1080p on a phone isnt useful now on an iPad thats a different story
 
No im fully aware of what I meant lol 1080p on a phone isnt useful now on an iPad thats a different story

Well, if you understand, then you know why they don't go lower. If they did, on a 4.8 inch screen it would be less ppi than on an iPhone (and who wants to go up against that). If they lowered the screen to about 4.3" and 720p they would be right in that 300dpi range. So it's either make the screen smaller, with a lower resolution and still preserve the ppi, or make the screen 4.8" at 1080p and have (more than rather than less than) the ppi you need.

As far as the iPad, supposedly that will have overkill resolution as well (for different reasons). I won't claim something is useless and unecessary until I have seen it. 1080p makes a lot of sense, if in no other way, it has become the industry standard for media. Standards are certainly a good thing, IMO.
 
love that design, and i love how the screen goes right to the edge. I want this for the next iPhone.
 
I'm curious about this ceramic case. Anyone have any info on ceramic cased stuff or any ceramic tech? Google doesn't turn up an awful lot at least anything I'm finding helpful. Sounds interesting.
 
I'm seriously considering switching over.

I'm getting sick of apple always Lagging behind in cutting edge tech. There is no reason not to have a larger screen, with 4G technology, with many JB features already enabled from the factory.

The walled garden is getting old.

Sure, just make sure you have a power source with you at all times.
 
Sure, just make sure you have a power source with you at all times.

I don't find the iPhone 4s battery to be all that. However best thing about it is it seems like no matter where I go I'm surrounded by iPhone chargers.

I had a few friend partying at my house a few weeks ago and including my ps3 I had 6 chargers for most everyone's phone. Popularity makes it very convenient.

And if you do travel and forget the charger you can find one anywhere ASAP. I've bought two in airports over the years.
 
It won't be 1080p.

As for the size, the reason it's 4.8" is cause it's probably RGB and that's the smallest size they could manufacture.

It was the same story with Galaxy S II, the first Galaxy S had a 4" screen and they wanted Galaxy S II to have a 4" screen as well however unlike the first Galaxy S, Galaxy S II had to have an RGB screen, and 4.27" was the smallest they could manufacture.
 
It won't be 1080p.

As for the size, the reason it's 4.8" is cause it's probably RGB and that's the smallest size they could manufacture.

It was the same story with Galaxy S II, the first Galaxy S had a 4" screen and they wanted Galaxy S II to have a 4" screen as well however unlike the first Galaxy S, Galaxy S II had to have an RGB screen, and 4.27" was the smallest they could manufacture.

Any of references for this?
 
I'm seriously considering switching over.

I'm getting sick of apple always Lagging behind in cutting edge tech. There is no reason not to have a larger screen, with 4G technology, with many JB features already enabled from the factory.

The walled garden is getting old.

I think the biggest phone screen size Apple will do is 4 inches.

Anything larger is garish, and garish hasn't been on Apple's agenda recently. Phones with 5-inch screens are close to being tablets and Apple doesn't want the iPhone to further eat into iPad sales.

As someone else said, it's a phone with other options. If they want a tablet, there's the iPad. No confusion and it keeps everything distinct.
 
I'm seriously considering switching over.

I'm getting sick of apple always Lagging behind in cutting edge tech. There is no reason not to have a larger screen, with 4G technology, with many JB features already enabled from the factory.

The walled garden is getting old.

I'm with you, recently took the jump from the Iphone 4s to an HTC Vivid with a 4.5 inch display. The phone was suppose to be for the wife, but I decided to give her my iphone and I take the vivid. The phone is easily handled in one hand( I have normal size hands), the LTE speeds are nice to have, its a nice change of pace all around. I'll give android a shot for a few months, at least until the iphone 5 comes out. :D
 
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