The iPhone 5, must be the best kept secret yet.

iamthedudeman said:
The Gpu in the A5 literally destroys anything out right now. And upcoming into 2012. As you can see how well hardware performs depends on well the OS performs with the hardware. The A5 wins most of the tests.
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I think Kal-El is going to put up a bit of a fight, both in power and efficiency. No proper benchmarks yet, but it's supposed to be out in a few months.
 
gdjsnyder said:
I never said the iPhone whatever will be a year behind or that Android would be a year ahead. I simply stated that Apple's newest iPhone would be slower than newer phones. The Nexus Prime is rumored to have a 1.5GHz dual-core processor and run on a 4G network. I am not an Android fan, and don't like their software at all, so will not be getting this phone, but prove to me that a 4S, running a 1GHz dual core processor will be faster than a 1.5GHz dual core processor. The 1.5GHz will win, plain and simple. Network connection wise it would be a major difference. Graphics and phone performance, most likely minimal.
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Gdsnyder, I never said that you said Android would be a year ahead, I was lazy and just posted that from another thread which I posted.

I see the links are broken. I will post some more below.


Like Hangman said, Ghz doesn't mean a thing. It how well the OS can utilize the hardware it has. And how well the articture of the said processor is. The A5 can do more clock for clock than a similar spec CPU.

It has a memory controller on die, which the other dual core Cortex A9 do not. Better power management, better memory management and iOS can better take advantage of these advancements.

This will explain the info in the links somewhat, so I am posting this aga

At first glance, the dual-core A5 chip does appear to be very similar to a Cortex-A9, but rather is probably a highly proprietary design that is also compatible with the ARMv7 instruction set. Qualcomm’s upcoming Krait chip takes the same approach, as does Marvell’s Armada. So saying this phone has this Ghz processor and comparing it to another just based on Ghz is probably not a accurate representation of how either will perform on a given OS.

When the iPhone 5 debuts, it will have one of the fastest phones if not the fastest, regardless of Ghz.The iPad 2 which has the A5, out performs the Galaxy 2 by a wide margin, even though the Galaxy 2's Samsung Exynos 4210 has a .2 Ghz(200Mhz) advantage. Same goes for the upcoming HTC with the 1.5 Ghz processor. The A5 beats that too. Its not all about the Ghz.

The Gpu in the A5 literally destroys anything out right now. And upcoming into 2012. As you can see how well hardware performs depends on well the OS performs with the hardware. The A5 wins most of the tests.

Here are the links:


Apple A5: dual 1Ghz

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4225/the-ipad-2-review/4

Samsung Exynos 4210: dual 1.2Ghz

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/samsung-galaxy-s-2-international-review-the-best-redefined/14

HTC flyer: dual core snapdragon 1.5 Ghz.

Notice the Galaxy S2's 1.2 Ghz dual core Exynos SOC is faster.
http://newdroid.net/android-news/htc-flyer-benchmarks.html
 
As the OP suggests, everything points towards a significantly redesigned fifth-generation iPhone that really has been kept tightly under wraps. I feel about 80-90% certain of this, with the remainder being a compensatory measure so I don't get too disappointed in the event that the '4S' is the only model.

I'd be very surprised if Apple doesn't produce this mythical teardrop iPhone. I'm sure they've had their eye on the competition the whole time and have been quietly planning a reinvention of the iPhone, to again seal its status as the industry trend-setter.

Anyway, the wait is becoming excruciating! I'm going to be extremely excited on the day of the keynote. :p
 
MarcBook said:
As the OP suggests, everything points towards a significantly redesigned fifth-generation iPhone that really has been kept tightly under wraps. I feel about 80-90% certain of this, with the remainder being a compensatory measure so I don't get too disappointed in the event that the '4S' is the only model.

I'd be very surprised if Apple doesn't produce this mythical teardrop iPhone. I'm sure they've had their eye on the competition the whole time and have been quietly planning a reinvention of the iPhone, to again seal its status as the industry trend-setter.

Anyway, the wait is becoming excruciating! I'm going to be extremely excited on the day of the keynote. :p
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Agreed. Also, with the back and forth going on with BGR and Al Gore, it's become actually insane.

But in all honesty, it's iPhone 5, or time to pick up another phone until Apple gets back to innovating. I'm not an Apple fan that i'll buy whatever they dish out.
 
Reach9 said:
Right, and since the iPad original, was leaked before the announcement (although not in the same way as the iPhone 4), i'm guessing Apple put up tough restrictions after both the leaks. And they're being loose with the iPhone 4S, because heck, it looks just the like the iPhone 4. So it makes sense..
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You give the world hope, reach :D
 
mikelegacy said:
You give the world hope, reach :D
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Thanks man.

But these analysts are taking my hopes away. The funny thing is, i'm an analyst, so I could technically post something similar. So i know that some of these reports are bogus, but the lack of physical leaks of the 5, is concerning.
 
Reach9 said:
Thanks man.

But these analysts are taking my hopes away. The funny thing is, i'm an analyst, so I could technically post something similar. So i know that some of these reports are bogus, but the lack of physical leaks of the 5, is concerning.
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It really shouldn't be. Apple has been getting stricter and stricter on security, with the iPhone 4 at the bar being the biggest lapse in security (and recently, raiding a man's house to get back another prototype). I remember reading about how 2 Chinese workers and a Chinese blogger were jailed for conspiring to leak (was it iPad) dimensions and other "trade secrets." With a very real threat of jail term (in China that is... which isn't the best place to be jailed), not very many Chinese workers would want to risk their job, life, etc, just to leak a measly part that hardly anyone will end up believing.

Plus, I can imagine Foxconn and the other manufacturer to be on high security to make sure parts aren't leaked.

Trust me, I've seen this type of security in factories in East Africa, where all the workers are quite literally hand searched on the way out and on the way in to make sure they're not stealing anything or bringing in anything unwanted.
 
TM WAZZA said:
The extra 200-500mhz does not mean anything if the OS isn't optimized for it.
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Very true. And I will add that, I could care less what other handset makers are doing. I don't want Apple putting something out just because someone else is doing it. Specs do not always equal performance.

Just because Android or blackberry need a faster processor and more ram to run their OS, doesn't mean that Apple needs this also. I have never been disappointed in the performance of an Apple computer or device. Does that mean it stays competitive 3 years later compared to brand new hardware, of course not. Apple knows what their hardware and software needs to be a great experience, and that's what they bring to the table, a great experience.

I think everyone here would be a lot happier if they stopped worrying about matching specs and just answer this question...does this device work well? Does it meet or exceed my needs? If the answer is yes, then who cares who makes the device or how much ram it has. if it works well, it works well and specs don't matter.
 
If it weren't for those case leaks, I'd say there's no chance of a redesign at all. With all those cases from different manufactures all looking identical, it definitely seems like something's up. Keeping my finger's crossed.
 
cheesesteak22 said:
Everyone keeps saying that there have only been case leaks thus far, I seem to remember that there were a few parts leaked back like a few months ago. Were these parts proven to be fake?

Redesigned camera with flash?
http://www.redmondpie.com/iphone-5-to-feature-redesigned-cameras/

Front plate?
http://www.technobuffalo.com/companies/apple/iphone/possible-iphone-5-part-reveals-larger-screen/
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I believe the front plate was fake, but the cameras do look very promising, there's also a picture which apparently show iPhone 5's being produced..hmm.
 
Reach9 said:
For Apple, the iPhone 5 must be the best kept secret yet. Why? Because so many credible sources are pointing to a completely redesigned iPhone along with a 4S, and we've yet to see a leak of the device. The only visual hint we got, was the Photo Stream icon, the leaked design schematics and cases.

So if the iPhone 5 isn't leaked until the announcement, and it debuts. Will this be Apple's best kept secret yet? Or are we all in for a very disappointing event, with only an iPhone 4S.
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Here is the logic:

You never know what is Apple's best kept secret. Because when you know it, the secret that remains unknown would become the best kept ones.
 
MilkMan4 said:
i hope there is an iPhone 4s, not 5.... technology needs to slow down a bit.
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One of the questions Apple asks their potential employees during the interview session is this:

How Would You Investigate A Technology Without Letting Anyone Know You Were Investigating It?
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This can also be seen as "how would you produce an iPhone 5, without letting anyone know you were producing it?"

Clearly, Apple has a very secured network, and they could very well be keeping closest tabs on the iPhone 5, so i'm not ruling the 5 out completely.
 
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