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The iPhone 5c is a joke (merged)

s15119 said:
hint: apple already "got away" with it.
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No. Apple didn't. Too much expectation built around the new iPhones. Apple shares slid more than 5% after the announcement of the new models. Wall Street is not happy with Apple's offerings. Apple may change the game by making both the iPhone 5s and the iPhone 5c successes, but it has not yet done so.
 
skaertus said:
The joke is not the iPhone 5c. It's fine, although made of plastic. The joke is Tim Cook trying to convince the world that the iPhone 5c is something brand new, a completely different product from the iPhone 5.\
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Except he only did that in your imagination.
 
skaertus said:
~snip~ Apple is a public company, and it has not only customers but also investors. Apple shouldn't give any incentive to the creation of any bubble of expectation around its products, as any bubble will most certainly explode in the future, causing harm to consumers, shareholders and executives.
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Ah.. so you recently shorted the stock and now don't think the slide will last long enough to let you cover it cheaply? Tsk tsk!

Just kidding...

Still, every company under the sun would kill for apple's bubble of expectation around its products, get real. Let the danger begin!

I will be interested to see how Apple manages to break away from the every-year cycle of smartphone upgrades. May not happen for a few more years but in the "first world" markets, the curve is flattening in terms of people who will use a smartphone and have never had one, so then it's about who will upgrade for new features.

So to that extent I can understand some shareholder concern over expectations for any cycle after a smartphone release.

Even the most tech-addicted smartphone user can understand that eventually the feature set of the smartphone is pretty complete. It does a lot, does it well, does it fast, so what, pass the bread and butter please.

Then you don't need a keynote that spotlights iPhones any more. The smartphone updates slide into the slots where updates on minor stuff happen now. Who knows what the next flagship item will be for Apple or any other phone maker now wondering the same thing?

In the meantime, it's clever how the S-cycle now gets a distinct tip of the hat in an attractive tune-up of the previous cycle's new model, and the new model gets its own moment to shine (and the coming cycle for its rough edges to be sanded down). Makes me happier than ever to be in that S cycle. The product I get to buy is stellar, and the glimpse of what's up the road for me is inspiring.
 
Just make a topic with a controversial statement that you will get tons of answers. The topic suddenly becomes very popular.

Now, just try to create a more serious topic. Nobody will post a single answer to it...
 
The iPhone 5C is brilliant marketing, IMO. I think that's what it boils down to.

There are so many Android devices - but only ever 1 iPhone. How do you solve this problem? Apple can't make five or six different models, but...they kind of did with the 5C.

Think of how noticeable those bright red, blue, yellow, green, and white phones are going to be in public. It's a great way to draw attention to the brand, even indirectly.
 
skaertus said:
No. Apple didn't. Too much expectation built around the new iPhones. Apple shares slid more than 5% after the announcement of the new models. Wall Street is not happy with Apple's offerings. Apple may change the game by making both the iPhone 5s and the iPhone 5c successes, but it has not yet done so.
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People have been lined up for weeks.
 
LizKat said:
Ah.. so you recently shorted the stock and now don't think the slide will last long enough to let you cover it cheaply? Tsk tsk!

Just kidding...
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I can't even buy Apple shares, as I don't live in the U.S.

Still, every company under the sun would kill for apple's bubble of expectation around its products, get real. Let the danger begin!

I will be interested to see how Apple manages to break away from the every-year cycle of smartphone upgrades. May not happen for a few more years but in the "first world" markets, the curve is flattening in terms of people who will use a smartphone and have never had one, so then it's about who will upgrade for new features.

So to that extent I can understand some shareholder concern over expectations for any cycle after a smartphone release.

Even the most tech-addicted smartphone user can understand that eventually the feature set of the smartphone is pretty complete. It does a lot, does it well, does it fast, so what, pass the bread and butter please.

Then you don't need a keynote that spotlights iPhones any more. The smartphone updates slide into the slots where updates on minor stuff happen now. Who knows what the next flagship item will be for Apple or any other phone maker now wondering the same thing?

In the meantime, it's clever how the S-cycle now gets a distinct tip of the hat in an attractive tune-up of the previous cycle's new model, and the new model gets its own moment to shine (and the coming cycle for its rough edges to be sanded down). Makes me happier than ever to be in that S cycle. The product I get to buy is stellar, and the glimpse of what's up the road for me is inspiring.
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I wonder for how long Apple will manage to keep the show going on. Every new version of the iPhone is expected to sell more and more than the previous one. Will the new iPhones accomplish that?

The iPhone 5c is just a colorful rebranded iPhone 5. The iPhone 5s is good, but the new features probably won't justify crowds rushing to the nearest Apple Store waving their credit cards. The new features are nice, are they enough for another massive launch?
 
skaertus said:
Tim Cook just went up int the stage and told us "you idiots, just believe what I'm saying, and get impressed with the bright colors of these cheap plastic iPhones, which use the very same hardware of last year, and that we're selling for the price of gold. C'mon. Very disappointed here. No wonder why Apple's shares are falling.
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You're a joke. The 5c fills the gap where I wasn't prepared to pay for an awfully designed iPhone 5/5s.

Did anyone forget the 3G/3GS had a plastic back? Too convenient to forget for anyone criticising the 5c. Wasn't cheap back then and that didn't have the reinforced frame for sturdiness. The 5c is more than just a pretty face. Again, people forget Apple care about the whole design process from start to finish. That doesn't come cheap when developing and producing a premium product.

Another thing people are forgetting. The 5s is a minor upgrade as with any previous generations. The 5c getting the benefits from the iP5 internals plus a bit more.
 
BookerDW said:
My response was directed towards the OP and the thread a whole. If it were directed at you I would have quoted you.
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And as a participant in "the thread as a whole" I responded. Or am I being excluded as part of the "thread as a whole?"
 
skaertus said:
Yes, the iPhone 5c is not a joke as a product. In fact, it's a good product, but the expectations around it due to the unfortunate way it was introduced, make the whole thing a joke.

If Microsoft or Samsung or Google or any other company introduced a rebranded product as something entirely new, the media would bash it, and even the audience might boo the presenter. But if Apple does it, then it's perfectly fine...
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And I honestly agree 100%. They presented it as new when it's actually not new at all besides more LTE bands, plastic shell and a little better battery. Personally, I did not like the 5. It was fast and stuff, but my 5 started "scuffing" almost instantly. Therefore we some our 5's and went back to 4/4S's until now. When I saw the 5C I did not like it,but I did get to hold one a couple days ago and to the touch it does not feel cheap at all. It is put together very well. Everything is flush. So we decided to go with a 5C until next year when the 6 comes out.

Nothing is innovative or revolutionary about it as Apple may have tried to put it, but knowing and seeing it first hand it is put together very well.

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eyoungren said:
And as a participant in "the thread as a whole" I responded. Or am I being excluded as part of the "thread as a whole?"
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Lol... Funny... All I could do was lol because it is so true ...

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Tunster said:
You're a joke. The 5c fills the gap where I wasn't prepared to pay for an awfully designed iPhone 5/5s.

Did anyone forget the 3G/3GS had a plastic back? Too convenient to forget for anyone criticising the 5c. Wasn't cheap back then and that didn't have the reinforced frame for sturdiness. The 5c is more than just a pretty face. Again, people forget Apple care about the whole design process from start to finish. That doesn't come cheap when developing and producing a premium product.

Another thing people are forgetting. The 5s is a minor upgrade as with any previous generations. The 5c getting the benefits from the iP5 internals plus a bit more.
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Well said ... I've wondered if people had forgotten the 3G and 3GS too. As far as the design of the 5/5s I couldn't agree more
 
BJonson said:
All of the iphone suck. Screen too small. Give me a 5" screen and I will shut up and buy one. Gonna bitch until they make one.:D
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Well you'll be complaining for a long time then as Apple rightfully have no want to make a larger sized phone.
 
skaertus said:
The speech of Tim Cooke during the September 10 event, when introducing the new iPhone models, was like this:

“In the past we’ve lowered the price of the older iPhone, making it more accessible to new people. This year we’re not going to do that. This year, the business has become so large, that we’re going to replace the iPhone 5 with not one but two new designs. This allows us to serve even more customers.”

And then, two new iPhone models were released.

One is the iPhone 5s, which keeps the design of last year's iPhone 5, but has new features under the hood, such as a new 64-bit processor and the fingerprint identification. While the design hasn't changed, that was expected, and the iPhone 5s seems to be a true new product, fruit of real development.

The second one is the iPhone 5c, which is basically an iPhone 5 in a different package. OK, there is a slightly larger battery and it perhaps supports more LTE frequencies, but that's about it. And, of course, there's a cheap colorful polycarbonate exterior instead of the fancy metal one which covered the iPhone 5 (and the 5s).

Tim Cooke could only be joking when he said that Apple was releasing two iPhone models because the "business has become so large". iPhone's business is indeed huge. It's, by far, Apple's largest business, and it is arguably the world's most popular device. A multi-billion dollar business.

However, even being so large, Apple couldn't just develop two iPhones. No, Apple wouldn't take the time and effort for that. Instead, it developed just one new iPhone model, the 5s, and wants everybody to believe that the iPhone 5c - which is an iPhone 5 in a cheap desguise - is a brand new product.

It's a joke. A bad joke. Does Tim Cook want to fool us all? Has this multi-billion dollar business grown so much as to allow Apple to finally create a new exterior design for last year's product? Is that it? Why not create a brand new product, a lesser iPhone, but still a brand new one with brand new technology? Perhaps when the iPhone becomes a trillion-dollar business there will be budget for that?

Tim Cook just went up int the stage and told us "you idiots, just believe what I'm saying, and get impressed with the bright colors of these cheap plastic iPhones, which use the very same hardware of last year, and that we're selling for the price of gold. C'mon. Very disappointed here. No wonder why Apple's shares are falling.
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Calm down there. There's gotta be more than life than your iphone
 
eyoungren said:
And as a participant in "the thread as a whole" I responded. Or am I being excluded as part of the "thread as a whole?"
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Ah, my apologies user. For some reason I interpreted your rantings as someone who supported the 5c, not someone who belittled it as a child's toy as the OP did. My mistake for taking you as a rational person who doesn't feel the need to bemoan and stomp on physical objects that people other than yourself may enjoy.
 
BookerDW said:
Ah, my apologies user. For some reason I interpreted your rantings as someone who supported the 5c, not someone who belittled it as a child's toy as the OP did. My mistake for taking you as a rational person who doesn't feel the need to bemoan and stomp on physical objects that people other than yourself may enjoy.
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See posts #67 and #68.
 
skaertus said:
However, even being so large, Apple couldn't just develop two iPhones. No, Apple wouldn't take the time and effort for that. Instead, it developed just one new iPhone model, the 5s, and wants everybody to believe that the iPhone 5c - which is an iPhone 5 in a cheap desguise - is a brand new product.

It's a joke. A bad joke. Does Tim Cook want to fool us all? Has this multi-billion dollar business grown so much as to allow Apple to finally create a new exterior design for last year's product? Is that it? Why not create a brand new product, a lesser iPhone, but still a brand new one with brand new technology? Perhaps when the iPhone becomes a trillion-dollar business there will be budget for that?

Tim Cook just went up int the stage and told us "you idiots, just believe what I'm saying, and get impressed with the bright colors of these cheap plastic iPhones, which use the very same hardware of last year, and that we're selling for the price of gold. C'mon. Very disappointed here. No wonder why Apple's shares are falling.
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skaertus said:
I... will probably buy the iPhone 5s (despite the fact that it will sell for over US$ 1,000 here in Brazil).
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Apple thanks you for subsidizing the very behavior you rail against.

So who's the joke... the corporate spin-doctors, or the guy paying their salaries/bonuses???
 
I'm looking forward to the 5C as someone that preferred the design of the 4/4S to the 5. If you don't like it, don't get it. Simple.
 
I agree that it was a sad keynote. I am not impressed, in fact I was angry when they said "iOS 7 will be released on Sept 18th" I had my phone plugged in, waiting for Tim Cook to say "Available... Right now" so I could get it immediately.
My girlfriend and friends who don't have iPads and have used mine were very impressed, but I've continued to tell them that if they don't need it NOW, that they should wait, Apple is updating it soon. Again disappointed.


I'm not comfortable with using my fingerprint for anything, I know it's paranoid as they've continually explained how the reader works, but the idea of having... literal access to ones entire private life kept on an object feels iffy. Think about what an iPhone conceivably has on it, your name, emails, bank accounts, locations, addresses, personal photos, over peoples numbers, addresses, pictures, emails and now your finger prints. It sounds like Apple has created the absolute best situation for an openly curious, spying government.
I realize that it requires incredibly conceit to think that the government would care about what you're doing at all times, but that it's accessible I suppose is the point.
 
Do you want clear evidence that the 5C is a massive FLOP?

Answer: no presale announcements, just the opposite of what has happened for the last three iPhone releases.

The 5C, that irrelevant and non-innovative release that serves neither industrialized nor developing markets, is already a massive flop. A sad reminder of what lack of focus caused Apple back in the 90s.
 
I would think you'd at least wait until there are numbers to back up your claim.

At it stands you're going to look silly if they make an announcement saying they've sold more than last year's iPhone 5.
 
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