The iPhone 5c is a joke (merged)

[thegrants82]

Hey just think about it like this. The 5C will most likely be a one year wonder so in a few years it may be worth some money.....Either way when the 6 comes out and it has a larger screen then all previous iPhones will be collecting dust in drawers. Seriously though, can you imagine how crazy the release of the 6 next year will be? Now that will bring the good old apple days home again. The 5C is just something to pass the time, it wont last.

 

[50548]

Does it matter? I mean, do you want it to flop?

Absolutely. So that Apple can get back at doing what it does best: innovating and leading the market, not resting on its laurels.

The 5C is just a pathetic attempt at improving its margins through lower-cost production and R&D, under the guise of "new" colored models and little else.

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You're sad.

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Instead of nonsensical ad personam remarks, try bringing something concrete to the discussion next time.

 

[Tthomas612]

Hey just think about it like this. The 5C will most likely be a one year wonder so in a few years it may be worth some money.....Either way when the 6 comes out and it has a larger screen then all previous iPhones will be collecting dust in drawers. Seriously though, can you imagine how crazy the release of the 6 next year will be? Now that will bring the good old apple days home again. The 5C is just something to pass the time, it wont last.

I guess next year it will be the 6C... Probably just this internals of the 5S ... Idk I have a feeling Apple wasn't going for a massive amount of preorders with this phone. Chances are it will sell very well during the holidays and that's what they are going for. It's a good phone. It doesn't feel cheap at all I can attest to that. Once people see it and hold it they will like it more. Instead of passing judgment because of some pictures...

 

[applhipstr]

Absolutely. So that Apple can get back at doing what it does best: innovating and leading the market, not resting on its laurels.

The 5C is just a pathetic attempt at improving its margins through lower-cost production and R&D, under the guise of "new" colored models and little else.

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Instead of nonsensical ad personam remarks, try bringing something concrete to the discussion next time.

It's highly unlikely that Apple would feel pressure to do anything. Resting on their laurels is only natural. The market has to cool down. Besides, there is no one that can challenge them. Microsoft is lost and Android has tried to compete to death.

 

[darngooddesign]

...But when Tim Cook says that the iPhone business grew so large that Apple could afford releasing two new products, what comes to mind is "Apple must have spent some billion dollars developing the iPhone 5c".

That's not simply marketing. That's inducing people to believe something that is not true.

Nope. What comes to mind is Apple is releasing two iPhones.

Aside from talking about the new manufacturing processes, did Apple imply the 5C is revolutionary or that they spent billions developing it?

Infact they said it was all the great tech people loved in the iPhone 5.

But of course they said it was great, you don't develop a new product and then say, "meh, it's alright, buy it if you want".

All the things you're upset about, you created in your head.

 

[MJD Dawg]

The speech of Tim Cooke during the September 10 event, when introducing the new iPhone models, was like this:

“In the past we’ve lowered the price of the older iPhone, making it more accessible to new people. This year we’re not going to do that. This year, the business has become so large, that we’re going to replace the iPhone 5 with not one but two new designs. This allows us to serve even more customers.”

And then, two new iPhone models were released.

One is the iPhone 5s, which keeps the design of last year's iPhone 5, but has new features under the hood, such as a new 64-bit processor and the fingerprint identification. While the design hasn't changed, that was expected, and the iPhone 5s seems to be a true new product, fruit of real development.

The second one is the iPhone 5c, which is basically an iPhone 5 in a different package. OK, there is a slightly larger battery and it perhaps supports more LTE frequencies, but that's about it. And, of course, there's a cheap colorful polycarbonate exterior instead of the fancy metal one which covered the iPhone 5 (and the 5s).

Tim Cooke could only be joking when he said that Apple was releasing two iPhone models because the "business has become so large". iPhone's business is indeed huge. It's, by far, Apple's largest business, and it is arguably the world's most popular device. A multi-billion dollar business.

However, even being so large, Apple couldn't just develop two iPhones. No, Apple wouldn't take the time and effort for that. Instead, it developed just one new iPhone model, the 5s, and wants everybody to believe that the iPhone 5c - which is an iPhone 5 in a cheap desguise - is a brand new product.

It's a joke. A bad joke. Does Tim Cook want to fool us all? Has this multi-billion dollar business grown so much as to allow Apple to finally create a new exterior design for last year's product? Is that it? Why not create a brand new product, a lesser iPhone, but still a brand new one with brand new technology? Perhaps when the iPhone becomes a trillion-dollar business there will be budget for that?

Tim Cook just went up int the stage and told us "you idiots, just believe what I'm saying, and get impressed with the bright colors of these cheap plastic iPhones, which use the very same hardware of last year, and that we're selling for the price of gold. C'mon. Very disappointed here. No wonder why Apple's shares are falling.

Totally agree.

I posted this in another thread as well, but the iPhone 5C/5S launch reminds me of this scene from Family Guy, where the publisher and Steven King are discussing the next book he will write. The analogy of course is that the paying consumer is represented by the publisher and Apple is Steven King. Sorry for the poor quality vid but it's the best one I could find:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6TRVXG4kQE

 

[Ethere]

I really don't see the point of complaining about the 5C though. Yes, it is the 5 in a colorful case. It has a bigger battery. It does have more LTE bands than the 5 does. Colors are a popular option right now, hence the reason for the champagne colored 5S. Nokia thinks it's pretty funny too.

https://twitter.com/nokia_uk/status/377483408043036672

But still, it's what's what right now. Next year it'll be bigger screens. Truthfully, complaining about things like this seems to be a waste of time. Like others have said, if it's not your flavor, wait for the 5S.

 

[rjkgr]

Only thing good about getting a iPhone 5C is better color haha

 

[50548]

It's highly unlikely that Apple would feel pressure to do anything. Resting on their laurels is only natural. The market has to cool down. Besides, there is no one that can challenge them. Microsoft is lost and Android has tried to compete to death.

That is exactly the kind of complacent attitude that had Apple in the doldrums in the mid- to late 90s.

Back then, they were also riding the perfect wave, with relatively big market share from their existing Apple // platform as well as high profit margins from the Mac...then reality struck and, instead of innovating, they came up with the Quadra/Performa/LC debacle of the century - the difference now is that there is no SJ to save their bacon.

 

[Nautilus007]

I agree that the iPhone 5c introduction was a joke. Their introduction was pure propaganda, and the fact that jony ive and team could stand up on stage and in their video and in good conscience talk about how it was a product which was innovative and great and something new is very troubling.

 

[darngooddesign]

I agree that the iPhone 5c introduction was a joke. Their introduction was pure propaganda, and the fact that jony ive and team could stand up on stage and in their video and in good conscience talk about how it was a product which was innovative and great and something new is very troubling.

They didn't say it was innovative. They talked about the new manufacturing processes and used a bunch of adjectives to describe how nice the 5C is.

It is a new device with a different construction and new ways of reinforcing the body, only the internals are older, and all the reports say it is also great to use.

 

[Nautilus007]

They didn't say it was innovative. They talked about the new manufacturing processes and used a bunch of adjectives to describe how nice the 5C is.

I agree that the iPhone 5c introduction was a joke. Their introduction was pure propaganda, and the fact that jony ive and team could stand up on stage and in their video and in good conscience talk about how it was a product which was innovative and great and something new is very troubling.

They made it sound like It was groundbreaking

 

[darngooddesign]

They made it sound like It was groundbreaking

No they didn't.

I just listened to the keynote. They made it sound like a great phone. They talked more about how good the new manufacturing processes are and how nice it is to use. They even specifically said, all the technology people love about the 5; which is telling the world that its the iPhone 5's guts with some improvements like the front camera, and support for more cellular bands.

They made the 5S sound ground breaking; they made the 5C sound really nice to use.

 

[pooleman]

As other people have already said, this is gonna be seen in hindsight as the moment where Apple's success has peaked - now it's all downhill from here.

Thanks to Cook, the world's best COO and NOTHING else, APPLE IS DEAD.

This same thing has been said a lot in the past and it hasn't been true. They said it when the iPad mini came out. They were dead wrong, just as you are now. Apple isn't the ones who have failed to innovate. They naysayers here who keep saying "apple is dead" are the ones who can't innovate and keep spewing the same tired crap.

 

[iPhysicist]

The only people angry are plastic case makers because now apple is drinking their milkshake.

Everyone wanted personalized colors, that's what people are clamoring for. Most people don't care about 64 bit or 5" screens, they want a pretty phone that "just works".

The iPhone case market is worth 400M dollars per year, of which apple previously got nada, zero, zilch market share. People were--are! Wrapping their beautiful metal phones in cheap plastic boxes.

IOs7 that can change screen color to match case? Check
Customizable phone colors? Check
Über customizable cases? Check.
Reason to buy not one, but multiple cases? Check.

Mate.

+ infty

its about money and has been ever since. inovate your ass - if it sells!

 

[PaulOBrain]

Instead of nonsensical ad personam remarks, try bringing something concrete to the discussion next time.

I will when you do. Pot calling kettle...

Answer: no presale announcements, just the opposite of what has happened for the last three iPhone releases.

The 5C, that irrelevant and non-innovative release that serves neither industrialized nor developing markets, is already a massive flop. A sad reminder of what lack of focus caused Apple back in the 90s.

Can you please tell me what is concrete about this drivel? "clear evidence" haha.

 

[Mainsail]

I just don't understand all of this hate on the iphone 5c. If Apple were selling the iphone 5, as they have done in the past, for $100 with contract there wouldn't be any negative comments.

But, when Apple takes the iphone 5 and improves the front facing camera, adds battery life, and gives the customers some color choices......then all of a sudden people say it's a big rip-off.

I don't get it.

 

[Dmunjal]

I just don't understand all of this hate on the iphone 5c. If Apple were selling the iphone 5, as they have done in the past, for $100 with contract there wouldn't be any negative comments.

But, when Apple takes the iphone 5 and improves the front facing camera, adds battery life, and gives the customers some color choices......then all of a sudden people say it's a big rip-off.

I don't get it.

I think part of it is Apple fans can't get their heads around it being plastic after years of joking about Samsung's plastic phones. So, to stay consistent, they must hate the 5c. Or they have to go the other way and justify it. I even saw a comment that the plastic Apple uses for the 5c is "better" than Samsung's plastic to justify it. Being a fan is hard work!

 

[BJonson]

I just don't understand all of this hate on the iphone 5c. If Apple were selling the iphone 5, as they have done in the past, for $100 with contract there wouldn't be any negative comments.

But, when Apple takes the iphone 5 and improves the front facing camera, adds battery life, and gives the customers some color choices......then all of a sudden people say it's a big rip-off.

I don't get it.

Well let's see why. First off the iphone 5 was not a big jump in anything. It came out the same time the Galaxy note 2 came out and that phone ran circles around the iphone. Now its been a year and the 5c is the same phone while on Android and even windows phones the technology has vastly improved. Right now there are android phones that make the 5s look like a joke. We all know apple doesn't do jack for a year so its going to be a horrible 12 months of watching samsung, lg and nokia amoung others kick out amazing technology while apple waits it out yet again. By the time next year rolls around and apple comes out with that 4.5" iphone 6 they will have been thought of as old hat and a joke and that is why the 5c sucks. It is not a new phone. You can get that same look from a iphone 5 and a crappy case. It means nothing to have colors.

The only way for the 5c to have succeeded was if apple took the 5s guts and put them in a plastic case and dropped the price by $100. Then I could see picking one up. Oh its the same phone but in a cheaper case, ok i'll take one. Not oh, its last years phone in a cheap case. Pft.