The iPhone and the brain cancer debate.

[pooryou]

"When on a call using the built-in audio receiver in iPhone, hold iPhone with the 30-pin connector pointed down toward your shoulder to increase separation from the antenna."

The transmitter output varies, depending on the operational mode and signal environment.

Why didn't you quote the rest to go along with it?

"For body-worn operation, keep iPhone at least 5/8 inch (15 mm) away from the body, and only use carrying cases, belt clips, or holders that do not have metal parts and that maintain at least 5/8 inch (15 mm) separation between iPhone and the body. When using the EDGE data transmission feature of iPhone (see “Connecting to the Internet”on page 21 for more information), position iPhone’s antenna at least 5/8 inch (15 mm) from the body."

 

[gr8tfly]

Why didn't you quote the rest to go along with it?

"For body-worn operation, keep iPhone at least 5/8 inch (15 mm) away from the body, and only use carrying cases, belt clips, or holders that do not have metal parts and that maintain at least 5/8 inch (15 mm) separation between iPhone and the body. When using the EDGE data transmission feature of iPhone (see “Connecting to the Internet”on page 21 for more information), position iPhone’s antenna at least 5/8 inch (15 mm) from the body."

I did (bolded below).

The 15mm recommendation is when "on a call". It's also measured from the antenna, so that when it's being used at the ear, it's normally much farther away than 15mm.

I think SAR and how it's calculated has been discussed. Time is a factor, in addition to ERP. This is also mentioned in the iPhone manual. It also doesn't say the iPhone exceeds the recommended SAR [when used against the body at < 15mm], it says it may. The absolute amount of energy imparted to tissue is complicated by many factors.

There are links posted within this thread where you can learn more about how the exposure limit recommendations for cell phones (and RF in general) are figured.

I didn't feel it necessary to quote the entire page from the manual. I thought this was a discussion of the material within.

 

[pooryou]

The recommendation is to keep the iPhone 5/8" from the body
when it is on, not just when it is on a call. Clearly there is a
reason for this, and it's not as simple as a 'CYA for the lawyers'.
But the person who thinks that is welcome to do what they want...

 

[Sobe]

The recommendation is to keep the iPhone 5/8" from the body
when it is on, not just when it is on a call. Clearly there is a
reason for this, and it's not as simple as a 'CYA for the lawyers'.
But the person who thinks that is welcome to do what they want...

I think this thread has depleted the world's known stocks of aluminum foil.

 

[pooryou]

The conspiracy theory joke is old hat and makes you look silly, actually.

But go ahead and keep wearing your tinfoil hat don't mind me.

 

[philhyde]

I just saw today that the iPhone was included in a CNET article "Cell phone radiation levels" with a 0.974 SAR rating. This is nearly in the middle with the highest being 1.6 and lowest being .135.

http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6602_7-6258775-11.html?tag=lnav

 

[Sobe]

The conspiracy theory joke is old hat and makes you look silly, actually.

But go ahead and keep wearing your tinfoil hat don't mind me.

If the choice is between making a cliched joke and living my life according to the whims of witch doctors and shamen promulgating an unscientific culture of fear...pencil me in for the former...

 

[MatthewStorm]

It's hard to tell with these things. They say that aspartme, the sweetener used in diet soft drinks, has been shown to cause cancer. Of course, no one knew that when it came out.

Actually, that is incorrect.

For 10 years Serle submitted their application to the FDA for approval. Every single year their application was denied because there was proof that aspartame caused brain cells to turn cancerous in laboratory animals.

The year Ronald Reagan became president the application was approved by the FDA. Turns out the CEO of Serle and Ronny were old buddies.

People do know.

Edit: I just read Post #50.

 

[gr8tfly]

The recommendation is to keep the iPhone 5/8" from the body
when it is on, not just when it is on a call. Clearly there is a
reason for this, and it's not as simple as a 'CYA for the lawyers'.
But the person who thinks that is welcome to do what they want...

I quoted the manual. I'm not sure what else I can possibly add to address your concerns. There have been plenty of scientific discussions here about the actual possible effects. There are links to how the measurements are made and how the limits are arrived at.

Weighing the real science versus a litigation happy society, it fairly easy to see there are more legal ramifications to this section of the manual than of possible harm.

btw: Nobody is ever worried about using a heating pad too long. They actually include notices about not using them for more than 20 minutes (or so) at a time. Or say, a heat lamp - IR radiation. They both cause heating of tissue. That's all. Too much can cause damage - yes. How can one tell they've been using them too long? Because they feel warm. If your skin feels warm from being in contact with the iPhone - it's because it is transferring heat from its operating electronics through conduction and/or thermal radiation (IR) - not RF. If the phone could operate without generating any heat of its own, there still isn't enough RF energy to feel. That means any other source of heat (a warm room, sun, a dog...) will totally bury any effects of heating from RF.

 

[Sobe]

Actually, that is incorrect.

For 10 years Serle submitted their application to the FDA for approval. Every single year their application was denied because there was proof that aspartame caused brain cells to turn cancerous in laboratory animals.

The year Ronald Reagan became president the application was approved by the FDA. Turns out the CEO of Serle and Ronny were old buddies.

People do know.

Edit: I just read Post #50.

If the science is that clear cut, then you will not mind providing me with a link to the full text of the research article in which this very important work was published.

 

[cjmal]

For those of you worried about cancer from the iPhone, check this out

Greenpeace has posted a new report [PDF Link] claiming that the iPhone contains hazardous substances, and findings in the report have led to a lawsuit against Apple. According to research performed by Greenpeace’s Research Laboratories in the UK, the iPhone contains toxic brominated compounds (indicating the presence of brominated flame retardants (BFRs)) and hazardous PVC. “Apple missed a key opportunity when it rolled out the iPhone in June. There is no reason why the iPhone could not have been made without toxins like vinyl plastics and brominated flame retardants as Nokia is already doing,” said Rick Hind of Greenpeace.

Afterwards, The Center for Environmental Health announced that it is suing Apple based on research found in the Greenpeace report. According to the Center, California’s Proposition 65 law states that products exposing consumers to phthalates or other chemicals known to be reproductive toxins or carcinogens must carry a warning label. The iPhone does not. “In general what we try to do is encourage the manufacturers through a negotiated settlement to reduce the use of these chemicals,” said Caroline Cox, spokeswoman for the Center for Environmental Health. “That would be our goal with Apple.”

In May, Apple CEO Steve Jobs penned an update, “A Greener Apple”, focusing on Apple’s environmental efforts, in which he said: “Apple plans to completely eliminate the use of PVC and BFRs in its products by the end of 2008.” [via MacWorld]

 

[pooryou]

If the choice is between making a cliched joke and living my life according to the whims of witch doctors and shamen promulgating an unscientific culture of fear...pencil me in for the former...

I find there are a lot more choices than just those sad options.

Funny you would say this to me who is simply quoting from the iPhone manual...

 

[gnasher729]

For those of you worried about cancer from the iPhone, check this out

Funny, isn't it? Flaming retards complaining about flame retartands.

We will hear these stories from Greenpeace as long as Apple refuses to donate money to them - in other words, forever. In other news, Greenpeace has already been forced to admit that the iPhone conforms with all European and US regulations. Phtalates are not to be used in children's toys (you know, little children put plastic toys in their mouth and chew them), but if someone starts chewing the cables of their headphones, and that causes infertility, then I'd call that a welcome side-effect.