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When I plugged my Mac mini into a 4K TV it just worked without changing any settings. But I think the "low resolution" 1920x1080 should be actual 1920x1080, while the other 1920x1080 should be 3840x2160 but scaled 2x, meaning you get the crisp UI and any content you watch is being displayed at the full 3840x2160.
It does look crisp, but how do I know that it's not tv upscaled?
 
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Yes, to first, no to second. That's why I said one could elevate the back ~ 20°. I checked that before getting this enhancement from China. It has ~7°. Fingers shouldn't be used or positioned like claws. The "Magic Mouse," with its slender inward-tilting bottom design, places unnecessary pressure on the palm. It's far more comfortable when the fingers are allowed to splay out a bit.
I actually like a mouse that has sides that slope inward toward the bottom (so it's bigger at the top than at the bottom) because the overhang lets me pick up the mouse with less effort (to reposition on the desk/pad which I often do) than just picking up the mouse by gripping it tighter. What I don't like about the MM though is the convex curve of the side of the mouse as slopes inward. This causes the mouse to want to lift up above my fingers when I grip the mouse tighter. The curve should be the opposite (concave) to prevent this.
 
I initially thought USB A would be a challenge for me but I bought a Anker 4 port USB 3 hub like the below on Amazon and it has worked absolutely flawlessly

In some ways it actually works out better than having direct ports as I can now switch my various USB A bits between my Mac Mini and PC just by attaching the hub to whichever one I want to use at the time with a single cable rather than individually unplugging and plugging in USB cables all over the place!

 
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But I think you’re still looking at it from the perspective of someone with more than the most basic needs. So for you, continuing to use an aging iMac would require it to be upgradeable. I was saying that an iMac, even not upgradeable, could theoretically/hopefully continue being useful if it’s passed on to people with less demanding needs as it gets older, rather than going in the trash/recycling.
That is true.

I just don't see the new iMac more useful than an iPad with a 24" screen, specially the basic iMac. It does look "pretty" to a lot of people. :)
 
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The comment was tongue in cheek, but I was questioning the word 'chosen'. There are quite a lot of 27" iMac users who now have to choose between 3 potentially unwelcome options:

1. Going down in screen size.
2. Spending perhaps $800 extra on their next computer (assuming mini + Studio Display + TouchID keyboard + webcam + speakers).
3. Stepping down from 5K to 4K on their display (may or may not be significant, depending on eyesight).

The latter two also mean losing the all-in-one form factor of the iMac. Obviously, first world problems, but does mean some iMac sales may be reluctant, and some buyers might jump at the chance of a 27" or 30" screen instead.
My comment was about the 24" display size in general. Some people choose 24" because that's what they want, whether it's an iMac or another product.
You're going into a different conversation with just the iMac. Yes, it's available in only one size that doesn't suit everyone, especially the people who grew accustomed to the previous 27" size. But then the people who had the previous 21" size may really like the 24" size. So I don't know, can't please everyone. Of course it stinks when the option you preferred is removed. I think we've all been there.
 
I just don't see the new iMac more useful than an iPad with a 24" screen, specially the basic iMac. It does look "pretty" to a lot of people. :)
Haha for some people I'm sure they'd be interchangeable, but then there are loads of people who say an iPad can't replace a Mac. I wonder how those people would respond to your comment--they'd probably have some opinions 😆
 
but then there are loads of people who say an iPad can't replace a Mac

I suppose an iPad could replace a Mac for some things if it had a real operating system

I've never actually found a use for one

anything I can think of to do on a tablet I do on my phone

anything I do on my computer I either can't do or would be a pain on a tablet
 
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Haha for some people I'm sure they'd be interchangeable, but then there are loads of people who say an iPad can't replace a Mac. I wonder how those people would respond to your comment--they'd probably have some opinions 😆
Maybe a 24" M4 iPad that has 16GB RAM, an 8-Core GPU, and 256GB SSD? 😇
 
My comment was about the 24" display size in general. Some people choose 24" because that's what they want, whether it's an iMac or another product.
You're going into a different conversation with just the iMac. Yes, it's available in only one size that doesn't suit everyone, especially the people who grew accustomed to the previous 27" size. But then the people who had the previous 21" size may really like the 24" size. So I don't know, can't please everyone. Of course it stinks when the option you preferred is removed. I think we've all been there.
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Indeed, adding a substantial bottom bezel can create the illusion that the 24" display is larger than it actually is. While the overall dimensions of the display may appear more imposing, the actual screen real estate remains unchanged. It’s a bit of a clever trick, really, as the effective viewing area is significantly reduced despite the larger appearance.

Yes, it does have a rather dated aesthetic, doesn’t it? In an age where sleek, minimalistic designs are all the rage, a bulky bezel can seem quite out of place. It harkens back to earlier models that prioritised size over style. Many users now prefer a more modern look with thinner bezels that maximise the screen area and provide a more contemporary feel. It’s certainly something to consider if one is after a more up-to-date appearance!
 
"Consider?" Why? If a feature contributes little-to-nothing to your workflow or user experience, but adds significant dollars to the purchase price, what is there to consider? The whole marketing narrative around the ASD's "super-high maximum brightness" just reminds me of the old Corningware "withstands heat that turns ordinary saucepans into sauce" commercial.

Sure, there are people who benefit from that level of brightness in a computer monitor, just like I'm sure there are people who benefit from a saucepan that can double as a crucible. But that's not typical of most people actually buying either product.


This isn't a lack of competence on the part of manufacturers, it is simply the state of the market. As long as the 5k space is populated with mostly Mac users, there isn't going to be a lot of competition to speak of. And unfortunately for Mac users, the 5k space is probably going to be populated primarily with Mac users for the foreseeable future. The only people who really think they "need" 5k monitors at all are those who are receptive to Apple's marketing machine, as nobody else is really pushing the benefits of a 5k monitor.

The fact that the market is absolutely flooded with 4k monitors should already tell you what most people think about what is "needed" in a monitor. Heck, most computer users aren't even at 4k and they're perfectly happy. I always get a chuckle out of the weird "is it Retina?" discussions that go on here whenever someone is talking about monitors as if 1440p wasn't the pique of Apple's branded stand-alone display offering only one iteration ago. Heck, as I type this right now I'm looking at two relatively old 1440p BenQ monitors and an LG Dual-Up which, altogether, cost me less than a single ASD would have, and I have no complaints to give about text sharpness or colour accuracy with my setup whatsoever.

Whether real or just perceived, 4k to 5k seems like a rather incremental upgrade for most people. What is more likely to happen is that the rest of the market is going to forego 5k altogether and jump to the next logical upgrade, which would be 8k. There are already some pretty reasonably priced, excellently spec'd 8k monitors on the market today, and they're likely to come down by a lot within the next, "um, FULL DECADE." And, while I'm sure Apple will probably have something like a 9.5k monitor out at the same time, and you lot will still be swearing up and down that anything less will be some kind of grainy eye-torture and will probably complain about "lack of competition in the 9.5k space", the rest of the market will continue to not really care.
I mean, anyone who edits 4K video benefits from a 5k or above screen. It allows you to view the full frame of video at its real resolution and have controls and palettes around the image. That’s been the case since the beginning of video editing. It’s not really a marginal case
 
it's not designed to be ergonomic, it's designed to look good on a table at the apple store

it's not really a mouse, more like a trackpad that you have to move to move the pointer
Yep, I’m happy some folks find the mouse tolerable. I’m not one of them.
 
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Yep, I’m happy some folks find the mouse tolerable. I’m not one of them.
The Magic Mouse for me was ok, even if I was not using gestures too much, quite the opposite to be honest, there were many times I activated a gesture without willing to.
I had to buy a new mouse because I needed the middle mouse button, to use CAD or Linux inside a remote desktop session. I now use a Logitech MX Anywhere and I am quite happy with it. I only miss the horizontal scrolling, once in a while.
 
The Magic Mouse for me was ok, even if I was not using gestures too much, quite the opposite to be honest, there were many times I activated a gesture without willing to.
I had to buy a new mouse because I needed the middle mouse button, to use CAD or Linux inside a remote desktop session. I now use a Logitech MX Anywhere and I am quite happy with it. I only miss the horizontal scrolling, once in a while.

Shift + scroll
 
My father has just bought his new M4 Mac Mini base spec, and he is starting to notice the Apple style of doing things. Everything is just a bit classier, smoother and better than on Windows, he says. However, he recently visited me, and saw my setup of an M1 iMac. He noticed the colour-matched accessories, the minimal look of the desk, and inquired after the webcam and the speakers… he began to see that thoughtful, designed look extending beyond the software and hardware of his new Mac Mini.

Since returning home my dad scratched his head about his scruffy-looking desk in a messy spare room, and he has started clearing things away. He also started looking at wireless keyboards and mice, at which point I had to inform him that this was the thin end of the wedge… a nicer keyboard and mouse would lead to him wanting a nicer screen, and before he would know it he would have spent another 1000 euros on nicer gear.

The Mac Mini is a beautiful object, but it’s only cheap as long as you don’t feel the need to pair it with a Studio Display and Magic Keyboard and Magic Mouse.
It doesn't have to be as expensive as you think. I've basically achieved a pro level machine, with a retina-like display, for a similar price to an iMac (24GB RAM / 512GB HD).

This is what I bought:
  • M4 Mini Pro (Black Friday Sale) - £1,259.10
  • Used LG 24 Inch 4K Ultrafine Monitor- £150
  • Magic Keyboard with touch ID - £126
  • Logitech G203 Lightsync Mouse - £16.99
  • Used Magic Trackpad 2 - £50
So, I spent a total of £1602.09. If I had gone for an iMac, I would have gone for 24GB RAM / 512GB HD, which would have cost me £1,709.10.

The star purchase, that really helped me achieve this, was the LG 24 Ultrafine 4K monitor - that thing is Incredible value for a retina-like display.
 
Ok, but try to use a CAD (Catia, for the records) where the 3D rotation is done pressing middle mouse button + left mouse button and moving the mouse at the same time…

I think you misunderstood me

I don't believe you can do much of anything well with an apple mouse

I was pointing out that shift+scroll give you horizontal scrolling since you said you sometimes miss it and your mx anywhere lacks a thumbwheel

personally I can't recommend mx master 3s enough

once I bought one I quickly got another because I was bringing it back and forth from home to work
 
I think you misunderstood me

I don't believe you can do much of anything well with an apple mouse

I was pointing out that shift+scroll give you horizontal scrolling since you said you sometimes miss it and your mx anywhere lacks a thumbwheel

personally I can't recommend mx master 3s enough

once I bought one I quickly got another because I was bringing it back and forth from home to work
Ah, yes, I misunderstood you… thanks for the hint for the horizontal scrolling!
 
I just don't see the new iMac more useful than an iPad with a 24" screen, specially the basic iMac. It does look "pretty" to a lot of people. :)
With an iPad, I am pretty much limited to the apps that are found in the App Store and multitasking is not as easy on an iPad as it is on a Mac. With any Mac, I have options of buying directly from he vendor, writing my own software, etc. I frequently use some of the BSD derived utilities from data manipulation. Macs allow better control of files.

Last but not least, Macs have a command line interface.
 
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Of course, no :)

I just don't find the iPad nor the M4 iMac useful nor interesting anymore.

I’ve never found iPads interesting

I would also never buy a 24” all in one, but it runs macOS and is an entirely capable machine
 
I bought a 12.9 IPad during lockdown for teaching. I found it quite helpful, as I could draw out our conversations using the pencil and a 3rd party app that let us diagram the readings and the themes in real time on zoom. Students seemed to like it as well. My Uni shut down online teaching quickly, so I’ve used it ever since as a media consuming device, and a device for light work tasks. I like it, it’s waaaaaaaay over priced, and the accessories are ridiculous, 350 for a keyboard? Hah! But it has its uses.
 
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