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The Apple Studio Display has a higher maximum brightness.
Which is excellent if you're working in a sunny field or under a bunch of studio lights, or if you are editing photos and have calibrated your work area for high brightness.

For most people working in an office environment, doing software development, cruising the internet, or doing any of the other 90% of the things that the owners of these monitors do, that extra brightness does very little more than increase eye fatigue.
 
Which is excellent if you're working in a sunny field or under a bunch of studio lights, or if you are editing photos and have calibrated your work area for high brightness.

For most people working in an office environment, doing software development, cruising the internet, or doing any of the other 90% of the things that the owners of these monitors do, that extra brightness does very little more than increase eye fatigue.
Still something to consider when comparing it to the Studio Display. Don’t get me wrong, it’s good to finally see some strong competition in the 5K space.

It only took, um, a FULL DECADE…better late than never I guess.
 
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Indeed, the Magic Trackpad is rather splendid, one of Apple's finer innovations! Curiously, ever since I acquired a trackball mouse, I've hardly laid a finger on the trackpad, save for zooming in on a page or rotating an image. I'm still on the lookout for a way to enable the back and forward buttons on the trackball mouse while using Safari. They function perfectly with every other web browser I've tried, though.

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I've just received a design enhancement for my Magic Mouse from China, and it only set me back $3.38. It's already quite comfortable to use! The back is elevated to ~ 7° degrees. I'm planning to add something to the back bottom to elevate it to around a 20° angle, which should fit my palm quite well ergonomically. It glides beautifully on the mat underneath, which was a mere $2.21.
It would be nice for a design enhancement, even if it costs more, to have a charging port for the mouse. In this case a charging port on the case, plus a short extension from the "enhancer's" charging port to the mouse's charging port. The problem with the Magic mouse is that if the battery's charge is depleted all of a sudden, one has to use another mouse. I have a magic mouse, plus another Apple mouse that operates on two AA-cells. I have had to use the non-rechargeable mouse several times already. However, the Apple keyboard with a Thunderbolt charging port works quite well since I can continue using it while it's charging.
 
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Still something to consider when comparing it to the Studio Display.
"Consider?" Why? If a feature contributes little-to-nothing to your workflow or user experience, but adds significant dollars to the purchase price, what is there to consider? The whole marketing narrative around the ASD's "super-high maximum brightness" just reminds me of the old Corningware "withstands heat that turns ordinary saucepans into sauce" commercial.

Sure, there are people who benefit from that level of brightness in a computer monitor, just like I'm sure there are people who benefit from a saucepan that can double as a crucible. But that's not typical of most people actually buying either product.

Don’t get me wrong, it’s good to finally see some strong competition in the 5K space.
It only took, um, a FULL DECADE…better late than never I guess.
This isn't a lack of competence on the part of manufacturers, it is simply the state of the market. As long as the 5k space is populated with mostly Mac users, there isn't going to be a lot of competition to speak of. And unfortunately for Mac users, the 5k space is probably going to be populated primarily with Mac users for the foreseeable future. The only people who really think they "need" 5k monitors at all are those who are receptive to Apple's marketing machine, as nobody else is really pushing the benefits of a 5k monitor.

The fact that the market is absolutely flooded with 4k monitors should already tell you what most people think about what is "needed" in a monitor. Heck, most computer users aren't even at 4k and they're perfectly happy. I always get a chuckle out of the weird "is it Retina?" discussions that go on here whenever someone is talking about monitors as if 1440p wasn't the pique of Apple's branded stand-alone display offering only one iteration ago. Heck, as I type this right now I'm looking at two relatively old 1440p BenQ monitors and an LG Dual-Up which, altogether, cost me less than a single ASD would have, and I have no complaints to give about text sharpness or colour accuracy with my setup whatsoever.

Whether real or just perceived, 4k to 5k seems like a rather incremental upgrade for most people. What is more likely to happen is that the rest of the market is going to forego 5k altogether and jump to the next logical upgrade, which would be 8k. There are already some pretty reasonably priced, excellently spec'd 8k monitors on the market today, and they're likely to come down by a lot within the next, "um, FULL DECADE." And, while I'm sure Apple will probably have something like a 9.5k monitor out at the same time, and you lot will still be swearing up and down that anything less will be some kind of grainy eye-torture and will probably complain about "lack of competition in the 9.5k space", the rest of the market will continue to not really care.
 
"Consider?" Why? If a feature contributes little-to-nothing to your workflow or user experience, but adds significant dollars to the purchase price, what is there to consider? The whole marketing narrative around the ASD's "super-high maximum brightness" just reminds me of the old Corningware "withstands heat that turns ordinary saucepans into sauce" commercial.

Sure, there are people who benefit from that level of brightness in a computer monitor, just like I'm sure there are people who benefit from a saucepan that can double as a crucible. But that's not typical of most people actually buying either product.


This isn't a lack of competence on the part of manufacturers, it is simply the state of the market. As long as the 5k space is populated with mostly Mac users, there isn't going to be a lot of competition to speak of. And unfortunately for Mac users, the 5k space is probably going to be populated primarily with Mac users for the foreseeable future. The only people who really think they "need" 5k monitors at all are those who are receptive to Apple's marketing machine, as nobody else is really pushing the benefits of a 5k monitor.

The fact that the market is absolutely flooded with 4k monitors should already tell you what most people think about what is "needed" in a monitor. Heck, most computer users aren't even at 4k and they're perfectly happy. I always get a chuckle out of the weird "is it Retina?" discussions that go on here whenever someone is talking about monitors as if 1440p wasn't the pique of Apple's branded stand-alone display offering only one iteration ago. Heck, as I type this right now I'm looking at two relatively old 1440p BenQ monitors and an LG Dual-Up which, altogether, cost me less than a single ASD would have, and I have no complaints to give about text sharpness or colour accuracy with my setup whatsoever.

Whether real or just perceived, 4k to 5k seems like a rather incremental upgrade for most people. What is more likely to happen is that the rest of the market is going to forego 5k altogether and jump to the next logical upgrade, which would be 8k. There are already some pretty reasonably priced, excellently spec'd 8k monitors on the market today, and they're likely to come down by a lot within the next, "um, FULL DECADE." And, while I'm sure Apple will probably have something like a 9.5k monitor out at the same time, and you lot will still be swearing up and down that anything less will be some kind of grainy eye-torture and will probably complain about "lack of competition in the 9.5k space", the rest of the market will continue to not really care.
I guess PC users are less discerning about the quality of their display. Makes sense when Windows HiDPI support has lagged behind MacOS, you have this mess of a software solution to keep people happy despite their hardware's deficiencies (fractional scaling).

For content consumption (TVs) 4K is perfectly fine of a resolution. But when you're dealing with a UI and apps that want lots of screen space, it's objectively a compromise.
 
"Consider?" Why? If a feature contributes little-to-nothing to your workflow or user experience, but adds significant dollars to the purchase price, what is there to consider? The whole marketing narrative around the ASD's "super-high maximum brightness" just reminds me of the old Corningware "withstands heat that turns ordinary saucepans into sauce" commercial.

Sure, there are people who benefit from that level of brightness in a computer monitor, just like I'm sure there are people who benefit from a saucepan that can double as a crucible. But that's not typical of most people actually buying either product.


This isn't a lack of competence on the part of manufacturers, it is simply the state of the market. As long as the 5k space is populated with mostly Mac users, there isn't going to be a lot of competition to speak of. And unfortunately for Mac users, the 5k space is probably going to be populated primarily with Mac users for the foreseeable future. The only people who really think they "need" 5k monitors at all are those who are receptive to Apple's marketing machine, as nobody else is really pushing the benefits of a 5k monitor.

The fact that the market is absolutely flooded with 4k monitors should already tell you what most people think about what is "needed" in a monitor. Heck, most computer users aren't even at 4k and they're perfectly happy. I always get a chuckle out of the weird "is it Retina?" discussions that go on here whenever someone is talking about monitors as if 1440p wasn't the pique of Apple's branded stand-alone display offering only one iteration ago. Heck, as I type this right now I'm looking at two relatively old 1440p BenQ monitors and an LG Dual-Up which, altogether, cost me less than a single ASD would have, and I have no complaints to give about text sharpness or colour accuracy with my setup whatsoever.

Whether real or just perceived, 4k to 5k seems like a rather incremental upgrade for most people. What is more likely to happen is that the rest of the market is going to forego 5k altogether and jump to the next logical upgrade, which would be 8k. There are already some pretty reasonably priced, excellently spec'd 8k monitors on the market today, and they're likely to come down by a lot within the next, "um, FULL DECADE." And, while I'm sure Apple will probably have something like a 9.5k monitor out at the same time, and you lot will still be swearing up and down that anything less will be some kind of grainy eye-torture and will probably complain about "lack of competition in the 9.5k space", the rest of the market will continue to not really care.
Clearly you understand that it is simply the state of the market, So when you have what you think is the premium monitor in that space its no surprise that their is a price premium associated with that. I'm no intellectual guru and I understand that concept, so I know many others can grapple with that reality also. All manufacturers think they have the best products, everywhere in the market, especially in tech. Or, if they don't actually think they do then at least their marketing shows they have supreme confidence in their products. Its also no surprise that the market, as you say, gravitates to the middle ground, the mature ground, where prices are mainstream so they can start to determine what they buy based on some other added benefits they might from some other monitor like ports or something. 4k is that current battleground. 5K I'd argue is in premium territory. Asus just came out with a nice monitor, OLED, but cheaper build quality, same 60 Hz. $1700+. Good luck to them, I bet that price plummets like the Samsung S9.
 
I guess PC users are less discerning about the quality of their display. Makes sense when Windows HiDPI support has lagged behind MacOS, you have this mess of a software solution to keep people happy despite their hardware's deficiencies (fractional scaling).

For content consumption (TVs) 4K is perfectly fine of a resolution. But when you're dealing with a UI and apps that want lots of screen space, it's objectively a compromise.

macOS on a 32” 4k screen running at 2560x1440x2 is great for multiple windows of mail, web and spreadsheets

Lots of Logic Pro windows going and I’ll sometimes switch to 3008x1682x2
 
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It would be nice for a design enhancement, even if it costs more, to have a charing port for the mouse. In this case a charging port on the case, plus a short extension from the "enhancer's" charging port to the mouse's charging port. The problem with the Magic mouse is that if the battery's charge is depleted all of a sudden, one has to use another mouse. I have a magic mouse, plus another Apple mouse that operates on two AA-cells. I have had to use the non-rechargeable mouse several times already. However, the Apple keyboard with a Thunderbolt charging port works quite well since I can continue using it while it's charging.
The underbelly charging port is yet another design blunder, but also from a technological standpoint. The issue lies in the fact that Apple seems to get away with such missteps, largely due to its somewhat devoted following.

The "Magic" Mouse is essentially a trackpad that lacks the one-finger cursor movement, presented to the public merely to create a mouse-like product. I would have exclusively used the trackpad, were it not for its chilly glass surface. It's rather amusing that Apple’s (technical) designers could manage to make the mouse surface much warmer than that of the trackpad.
 
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Perhaps older Macs, but not (probably) new Macs. Take for example the 2019 iMac with a 27" 5K screen that I still use for light photo editing. The first thing I did was to cram the RAM slots with Crucial RAM modules. The 2TB fusion drive and CPU/GPU are slow, but I still can replace the hard drive with a very large SSD since there is lots of room inside, and not issues with cooling. And yes, the USB ports are slower and I cannot do anything about it, but I am certain that this iMac can live for several more years with upgrades.

Now, look at the new M4 iMac: it is not upgradeable, I assume that it will have cooling issues if pushed hard (not room inside), and it would cost a fortune to choose one with a 2-4TB SSD. Now, the M4 Mini has one good thing going for it, and that is a "possible" non-Apple SSD upgrade. But that's about it, since both the Mini and the iMac are better of with the Home Folder and apps in an external SSD, unless the buyer "needs or wants or can afford" a larger SSD inside. I see the new iMac much like a 24" M4 iPad with a larger store room inside. It looks pretty, but 😁
But I think you’re still looking at it from the perspective of someone with more than the most basic needs. So for you, continuing to use an aging iMac would require it to be upgradeable. I was saying that an iMac, even not upgradeable, could theoretically/hopefully continue being useful if it’s passed on to people with less demanding needs as it gets older, rather than going in the trash/recycling.
 
I think it’s largely due to not many people actually caring about such a minor thing.
Indeed, that's precisely how the devoted following tends to react to such technological design missteps. They often defend the choices made by Apple, overlooking the flaws and focusing instead on the brand's image and the perceived innovation. It's a curious phenomenon, where loyalty can sometimes cloud critical judgment.
 
I’m quite pleased with the new M4 Mac mini, particularly its compact size and the 16GB RAM. It’s evident that a great deal of effort went into creating this remarkable little computer. It comfortably sits on the leg of my MSI 4K Professional monitor and effortlessly handles a resolution of 6K/2 without any of that “scaled resolution may affect performance” nonsense. It’s a delightful piece of technology!

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Indeed, there’s no compelling reason for me to invest in a glossy monitor, even if it’s designed for Apple. The reflections and glare can be quite distracting, and I prefer a matte finish that offers better visibility and reduces eye strain. Functionality and practicality often take precedence over brand allure!

Furthermore, there’s absolutely no dilemma in using the M4 Mac mini alongside the Apple 'Magic' accessories. If one can enhance its functionality without waiting for Apple to provide those upgrades, why not? Often, these enhancements are quite affordable, making it easy to tailor the experience to one’s needs without breaking the bank. It’s all about making the most of the technology at hand!
 
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Indeed, that's precisely how the devoted following tends to react to such technological design missteps. They often defend the choices made by Apple, overlooking the flaws and focusing instead on the brand's image and the perceived innovation. It's a curious phenomenon, where loyalty can sometimes cloud critical judgment.
Sure there are those people, but I mean (I believe) most of general public don’t care about this issue because it doesn’t actually affect them that much. Those people really bothered by this are going to be people who are very particular about their tech, which I don’t think is most of the general public. (Similar to how the power button on the underside of the Mac Mini probably isn’t an issue most of the general public will care about)
 
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Sure there are those people, but I mean (I believe) most of general public don’t care about this issue because it doesn’t actually affect them that much. Those people really bothered by this are going to be people who are very particular about their tech, which I don’t think is most of the general public. (Similar to how the power button on the underside of the Mac Mini probably isn’t an issue most of the general public will care about)
However, the poor ergonomic design of the 'Magic' Mouse does trouble me to the extent that I had to seek out a solution myself. It’s a shame that a product from such a renowned brand doesn’t prioritise comfort, leading users to find alternatives that better suit their needs. Ergonomics should be a fundamental consideration, especially for a device intended for prolonged use.
 
However, the poor ergonomic design of the 'Magic' Mouse does trouble me to the extent that I had to seek out a solution myself. It’s a shame that a product from such a renowned brand doesn’t prioritise comfort, leading users to find alternatives that better suit their needs. Ergonomics should be a fundamental consideration, especially for a device intended for prolonged use.
Yes, I'd say ergonomics is the MM's bigger issue, and ergonomics is something I think most people do care about. But the design might be at least partially necessary because of the MM's touch gesture functionality. Ergonomics might be a trade off to have comfortable gestures. Hard to say since I don't think there are any other mice that do that.
 
Yes, I'd say ergonomics is the MM's bigger issue, and ergonomics is something I think most people do care about. But the design might be at least partially necessary because of the MM's touch gesture functionality. Ergonomics might be a trade off to have comfortable gestures. Hard to say since I don't think there are any other mice that do that.
It’s quite amusing that for 15 years, Apple has yet to introduce any ergonomic enhancements to their Magic Mouse! The fact that a simple plastic addition costing just $3.38 can significantly improve usability highlights a glaring oversight. It raises the question of whether the designers simply overlooked this solution or if they are reluctant to acknowledge an ergonomic design failure.
 
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It’s quite amusing that for 15 years, Apple has yet to introduce any ergonomic enhancements to their Magic Mouse! The fact that a simple plastic addition costing just $3.38 can significantly improve usability highlights a glaring oversight. It raises the question of whether the designers simply overlooked this solution or if they are reluctant to acknowledge an ergonomic design failure.
That's interesting. Do you use the touch gestures a lot, particularly horizontal swiping? Does the elevated back affect that at all?
 
That's interesting. Do you use the touch gestures a lot, particularly horizontal swiping? Does the elevated back affect that at all?
Yes, to first, no to second. That's why I said one could elevate the back ~ 20°. I checked that before getting this enhancement from China. It has ~7°. Fingers shouldn't be used or positioned like claws. The "Magic Mouse," with its slender inward-tilting bottom design, places unnecessary pressure on the palm. It's far more comfortable when the fingers are allowed to splay out a bit.
 
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Haha. But of course it's not enough for everyone, just the ones for whom it is.

The comment was tongue in cheek, but I was questioning the word 'chosen'. There are quite a lot of 27" iMac users who now have to choose between 3 potentially unwelcome options:

1. Going down in screen size.
2. Spending perhaps $800 extra on their next computer (assuming mini + Studio Display + TouchID keyboard + webcam + speakers).
3. Stepping down from 5K to 4K on their display (may or may not be significant, depending on eyesight).

The latter two also mean losing the all-in-one form factor of the iMac. Obviously, first world problems, but does mean some iMac sales may be reluctant, and some buyers might jump at the chance of a 27" or 30" screen instead.
 
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it's not designed to be ergonomic, it's designed to look good on a table at the apple store

it's not really a mouse, more like a trackpad that you have to move to move the pointer
It's quite intriguing to consider how one might dismantle it and repurpose it into a trackball mouse.

Here’s a guide on dismantling the older model, along with a more professional disassembly and reassembly of the second-generation version. You can also find these videos on the iFixit channel. I occasionally use the Magic Mouse on my trouser leg, which effectively turns it into a makeshift trackball.
 
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